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split_by_nine
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
#28123647 - 01/03/23 11:01 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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if a lion didnt kill its prey it would starve to death.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
#28123648 - 01/03/23 11:02 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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Greatly changes the rules
I really don't have a solid opinion on it. I feel like it is something I have pondered my entire life.
I know I don't go out of my way to harm anything.. but survival right?
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
#28123652 - 01/03/23 11:05 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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No, though I was at one time, and I went as far as being completely vegan, meaning no animal product or animal by product at all
No
Yes, but not in my kitchen
Whats your point ?
Are you comparing that to your life ?
I suppose the difference seems to be what we believe we are terminating
To me you're terminating a human life
To me if conception has taken place then that life is a life and its not for you to terminate
Let nature take its course
And as Jean pointed out the next difference in opinion seems to be where we draw the line with what is or is not natural
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Enkidu]
#28123657 - 01/03/23 11:07 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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so in your opinion, human life is more important than nonhumans, yes? why so smug? all life is sacred
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Enkidu]
#28123662 - 01/03/23 11:10 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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Enkidu said: No, though I was at one time, and I went as far as being completely vegan, meaning no animal product or animal by product at all
No
Yes, but not in my kitchen
Whats your point ?
Are you comparing that to your life ?
I suppose the difference seems to be what we believe we are terminating
To me you're terminating a human life
To me if conception has taken place then that life is a life and its not for you to terminate
Let nature take its course
And as Jean pointed out the next difference in opinion seems to be where we draw the line with what is or is not natural
serious question enkidu:
what happens after we die? more specifically, what does a fetus experience after it is aborted?
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Enkidu]
#28123666 - 01/03/23 11:14 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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You are no longer vegan? Why?
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
#28123673 - 01/03/23 11:23 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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I agree
All life is sacred
I make decisions on the case at hand
So if gnats are in my kitchen I make a decision on what is right
If someone is terminating a pregnancy I make a decision on what is right
Are you trying to say because I will kill a fruit fly in my kitchen I should be fine terminating a human life?
Maybe im biased but a human has a much more complex life than a fruit fly.
If you want to talk about what is sacred then there are levels to this conscious and spiritual awareness, no?
I'd say I would prefer to experience a full life of a child and care less about a days life of a gnat. In terms of what value that life is offering in experienc etc.
What happens after death? You know very well I don't know. How could I? So why ask in all seriousness?
@lola I couldn't really say. I didn't feel like I was getting what my body needing whether I was or not, is the likely reason. Or maybe it was because i had two children and my life changed drastically, i wasnt intentionally and obsessively pursuing a spiritual path a anymore, I was tripping much much less. Maybe I felt differently about the circle of life or what is or isn't right or wrong or acceptable . I don't think we are capable of processing nutrients from alternate sources in the same way we do if we ingest them from animals. Still not a fan of how we treat and process animals in the industry, I try not to over due it with eating animals, especially red meat.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Enkidu]
#28123677 - 01/03/23 11:24 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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Are you trying to say because I will kill a fruit fly in my kitchen I should be fine terminating a human life?
No, actually this subject came up on the thread by someone else. I was just following the conversation and got onto a different topic. And I am genuinely curious.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: loladoreen]
#28123681 - 01/03/23 11:26 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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I was answering split nine until it said @lola
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Enkidu]
#28123686 - 01/03/23 11:30 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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I asked because I started vegan and I have since added fish/shellfish. I am the only person in my house that eats this way.
I switched when my dr. put me on an elimination diet and my bff was vegan and I always ate vegan with her. The elimination diet was damn close to a vegan diet. So I just did it, I liked how I felt and stuck to it. I like how I feel on it better. A lot better.
I eat more carbs then I want. But I dont know how much I care anymore.. I do and I dont.
Since I changed my diet. I see some things differently and with a new lense. It has made me challenge my own beliefs. Not made me.. I allowed myself to question my own beliefs.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: loladoreen]
#28123697 - 01/03/23 11:36 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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I don't really see any issue with eating eggs and cheese, fish, everything in moderation
I definitely care much less now and am nowhere near as strict as I once believed I should be
It probably does have a lot to do with the amount and frequency of tripping
When tripping I was very much against any sort of harm to any sentient creature, I remember a picture in Hinduism of a man with a cows head cutting off the head of a man from a cows body, and teachings against such things, and when i was tripping a lot it was something I was experiencing and agreeing with very strongly to the point of being fully vegan
It was a process and journey to getting there and forming those views etc
Currently I'm caught up in the rat race of life and things are a bit different than that time in life
Do what keeps you in good health
Nothing wrong with enjoying good food, don't be too strict or hard on yourself I say
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Enkidu]
#28123699 - 01/03/23 11:38 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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eggs are aborted chickens
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
#28123710 - 01/03/23 11:41 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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I have no issue with chicken coops or eating chicken eggs
Humans don't pop out kids everyday you know what I'm saying?
Prolly not
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Enkidu] 1
#28123726 - 01/03/23 11:50 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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Humans don't pop out kids everyday you know what I'm saying?

uhhhh... yes they do. humans are born every second of every day.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Enkidu]
#28123730 - 01/03/23 11:52 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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I dont restrict myself. I feel like I listen to my body. I just don't want to eat that stuff. I go through phases where I cant stand the idea of eating or harming animals. Then I snap out of it. Its something i used to never think about.. ever. Where I live everyone hunts and I just .. I couldnt do it.. Unless I had to. And if I did I would be grateful. I swear I never ever saw myself feeling this way.. ever. But here I am.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
#28123731 - 01/03/23 11:52 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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estimated 250 humans are born every minute. thats like 4 people a second
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: loladoreen]
#28123732 - 01/03/23 11:55 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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Yeah I understand the feeling
Split, try and keep up
A hen can lay one egg per day
How many kids can 1 female pop out per day?
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#28123735 - 01/03/23 11:58 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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Enkidu said: Yeah I understand the feeling
Split, try and keep up
A hen can lay one egg per day
How many kids can 1 female pop out per day?
so the sum of how fast something can reproduce dictates how valuable its life (and the life of its offspring) is. gotcha
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Enkidu]
#28123736 - 01/04/23 12:01 AM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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I think eggs and dairy were the two things that bothered my stomach the most. I love good sharp cheese. I love it. And I used to miss gooey cheese but... not enough to eat it. I do not like vegan cheese.. it does not taste the same. My grandson makes good food choices for being 2.
I also am not super strict. If I want something and I know it was made with milk and cheese like a cake.. i eat it. You can eat very unhealthy too. I used to eat chips and say its ok its vegan... and fake meat is unhealthy
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
#28123739 - 01/04/23 12:05 AM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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split_by_nine said:
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Enkidu said: Yeah I understand the feeling
Split, try and keep up
A hen can lay one egg per day
How many kids can 1 female pop out per day?
so the sum of how fast something can reproduce dictates how valuable its life (and the life of its offspring) is. gotcha 
To an extent
The life experience of a chicken and a human are not the same or equal in my eyes
Humans have a higher level of consciousness and spiritual dimension than a chicken
If I had to choose if one chicken would be born or if you would be born I'd place a larger value on your life split.
Do you understand ?
Vegan cheese is disgusting
I think moderation and going whole food plant based in the best way to be
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