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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: stareatclouds] * 1
    #28537992 - 11/11/23 12:07 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

Maybe you should check out the SOCs I mentioned in my response, which does address the ACTUAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TREATMENT and does address the points you've highlighted, mainly that, regardless of a couple of examples of studies that need to be corrected, retracted, or otherwise contextualized, the ACTUAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TREATMENT strongly recommend for non-medical gender affirming care and a very strict chain of prerequisites before any medical interventions are administered to adolescents.

My response is, again, that your idealistic opinion does not accurately reflect the real-world situation when it comes to the misdirection of children about gender identity, or the misapplication of gender-affirming care on children. Hence, I disagree with your opinion that "gender ideology" and all of your other statements in your UO.

But please, keep calling me an idiot. Please keep telling me how off-topic I am, all without actually reading or looking into anything I offer up as a counterpoint. Contrary to what you think, I actually opened and read through each of your links, and I have tried to answer each point-counterpoint that you've brought up. If I've missed anything, please feel free to bring it up so I can address those too. I don't want to give the misconception that I'm ignoring anything.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Jean-Luc Picard] * 2
    #28537999 - 11/11/23 12:15 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 2
    #28538000 - 11/11/23 12:17 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

Good song :hairmetal:

Also I think Genesis is onto something with his disappearing pinky toe theory

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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Jean-Luc Picard]
    #28538001 - 11/11/23 12:21 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

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Good song :hairmetal:

Also I think Genesis is onto something with his disappearing pinky toe theory

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For you.
It’s too bad most people don’t allow images on their reviews. So I gave them to you here.
You really rallied for logic and reason. I appreciated that.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: gopher] * 1
    #28538007 - 11/11/23 12:46 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

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I think only rich people should have kids these days, the world is going to fuck up sooner than later and a loaf of bread is going to cost $50 and poor people are going to be fucked




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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: maui]
    #28538024 - 11/11/23 01:32 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

UO
We all deserve a four day work week.

Because we all deserve to be paid enough to live off of that. I am not saying it should be required by any means. But 40 hours required seems unnecessary for almost all jobs.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Jean-Luc Picard] * 2
    #28538081 - 11/11/23 05:05 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

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The label of pitbull is not a breed, but a blanket term used to visually identify any medium-sized dog with characteristics common in bulldog-type dog breeds.

This is has been shown to affect bite statistics by biasing all mixed-breed, bulldog-type-dominant dogs as simply "pitbull", and genetic testing on offending dogs is rarely performed for the sake of accurate bite statistics.



The american pit-bull terrier is an actual breed, and sources of DNA testing of dogs, and veterinary records, rank it among one of the most significant portion of the american dog population and gene pool, at ~20% of all dogs in the US being of >50% american pit-bull terrier by DNA. ~2% are Staffordshire Terrier by the same metrics, and these are just 2 of the 4 bulldog-type dog breeds that can present "pitbull" characteristics in mixed-breed situations.

Additionally, the American Veterinary Medical Association 53% of non-stray dogs in the US are considered mixed-breed.

This means that there is a minimum 22% of all dogs in the US containing "pitbull" dominant genetics, and when considering those with "pitbull" genetics (which can present as "pitbull" appearance, even if below 50% genetics, the number of "pitbull"-presenting dogs is probably larger than 22% of the US dog population.



Oddly enough, overall bite incidences attributed to "pitbull" fall right into 22.5%.

This is right in line with the average rate expected, if all breeds were considered equally likely to bite, because then one would expect the bite rates to roughly match the population % that the dogs are binned into.



"Pitbulls" have a bite force of 235 PSI, and were generally bred as specific-application hunting dogs.

I can't argue with this specific point. Although "pitbulls" don't have the highest bite force of any "breed", and don't come anywhere close to the bite force of the top breeds for bite force (the Kangal is reported at 734 PSI, and the "Pitbull" is 13th in a list of "breeds" with the strongest bite force), they are still in the top 20 list. So its not surprising that, when they do bite, the incident is more likely to lead to more damage to the person being bit.



There are other, less common breeds that are bred from bulldog-type dog breeds, including the American Bulldog, the Boxer, and The American Pitbull Terrier, to be more aggressive, but not all bulldog-type dogs are specifically bred as killing machines, and most bulldog-type dogs in the US today are not purebred.



The National Canine Research Council has reported that the dog bite incidence rates in general have decreased significantly from 1972 to 2011, with major cities like LA seeing less than 21% of the total number of bite incidences from 1972 in 2011, despite the licensed dog to human population ratio being 66% of the what it was in 1972, in 2011.

This means that, the total number of bites is dropping faster than the dog-to-human ratio, and with an increasing human population, that means that the bite rate is dropping even faster than that.



Since 1980, there have been 278 child fatalities associated with "pitbulls"

There are currently almost 90 million dogs in the US

At least 19.8 Million of those dogs are bulldog-type dominant

The average lifespan of a healthy "pitbull" is 12 to 14 years

This gets to the meat-and-potatoes of why I consider your pitbull argument to not be the optimal or moral solution:
- Assuming a steady rate of fatal child encounters (which is conservative, considering the bite rate has been dropping since the 70s), and assuming that all "pitbull-like" dogs in america are exactly 14 years of age, that results in all currently-living "pitbulls" to be responsible for 91 child deaths (rounding up).
- Most of the time, dogs that kill a child are caught and euthanized, so we'll assume a single dog can only kill one child per lifetime.
- This means that you're arguing for the extermination of nearly 20 million dogs, for the crimes of 91 dogs.
- In the context of severe injuries resulting from dog bites, you're arguing for the extermination of nearly 20 million dogs for the crimes of ~104,800 dogs, or roughly 189 innocent dogs per aggressive dog.
- In the context of total people (adults and children) killed by "pitbulls" in that 14 year period, the effective homicide rate, or the number of humans killed by "pitbulls" per 100k "pitbulls", is <42% of the number of humans killed by humans, per 100k humans.
- In this same 14 year period, 152 children under the age of 5 choked to death on grapes. By your logic, we should probably consider eradication of grapes "because the children".

Generally, I do not consider a threat that is 40% lower of a risk of children choking on grapes to be worthy of the forced extermination of nearly 20 million individuals, a minimum of 19.7 Million of which are completely innocent and possibly very well-tempered and loved pets. Kind of the opposite of my stance on the gender-affirming care, where the benefits of getting rid of all pitbulls is far outweighed by the potential loss of life.

I still don't argue with you that "pitbulls", like other larger dogs bred to being guard/hunting dogs, the potential damage caused by the bite is more severe than other dogs, but the data available just doesn't seem to line up with the conclusions you're coming to, when you really look into it.




I was going to point out the pit bull moniker but realized pretty early that stareatclouds just argues from some wacky emotionally charged selfrightous douchebagg type place in their head. Those suffer the little children fallacies usually just make me think someone is a clown.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28538179 - 11/11/23 06:59 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: TheStallionMang] * 2
    #28538249 - 11/11/23 08:07 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

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B-b-but… my pitbull is different 🥺

Smelly bro, please… You just haven’t tried the right strain.



LOL
Maybe try pitbull using lemon tek?




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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28538255 - 11/11/23 08:09 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Nonagon] * 2
    #28538383 - 11/11/23 09:39 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

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UO

I refer to people by their preferred pronouns because I’d expect the same, and it doesn’t inconvenience me in any way. And ultimately I just have no reason to give a shit what equipment anyone else was born with in their pants.




I don't think this is an unpopular opinion.  It seems to be how most people operate

I still don't understand why this has to be a thing though.  I can't think of one time that I've referred to someone using a pronoun in their presence. 

I call people by whatever name I'm given when someone is introduced to me and if it's a brief social interaction such as a cashier or server I have no reason to refer to them by anything at all so I seriously don't see a need for all the social pressure around pronoun usage


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: TheStallionMang] * 2
    #28538392 - 11/11/23 09:44 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

Why someone would give people so much power over them I will never know. I don't give a fuck what anybody refers to me as, in fact, if you DONT fuck with me then that usually means you aren't that close to me :house:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28538394 - 11/11/23 09:45 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

I respect you.
I refer to you as a stoned person.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28538398 - 11/11/23 09:47 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

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I respect you.
I refer to you as a stoned person.



Remember that time I got stoned then stoned all over the place? :awehigh:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28538413 - 11/11/23 09:52 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

You were definitely the most stoned.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28538432 - 11/11/23 10:06 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

Unfortunately I can't get as high as some people no matter how much I consume, and edibles do not work on me at all in any capacity :frown:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #28538462 - 11/11/23 10:24 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

Lol
I thought I was the only one. Edibles have never worked on me once.😂
I’ve had people challenge me to eat some thing. Then they would jokingly say that was five times the amount that someone was supposed to take. To zero effect.

I wish it was impressive. But I just find it super disappointing.

We’re gonna have to try one of those Hollywood trays of brownies where they put $5000 worth of kush into it. Then I bet it would work on us.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: TheStallionMang] * 2
    #28538468 - 11/11/23 10:28 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

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Nonagon said:
UO

I refer to people by their preferred pronouns because I’d expect the same, and it doesn’t inconvenience me in any way. And ultimately I just have no reason to give a shit what equipment anyone else was born with in their pants.




I don't think this is an unpopular opinion.  It seems to be how most people operate

I still don't understand why this has to be a thing though.  I can't think of one time that I've referred to someone using a pronoun in their presence. 

I call people by whatever name I'm given when someone is introduced to me and if it's a brief social interaction such as a cashier or server I have no reason to refer to them by anything at all so I seriously don't see a need for all the social pressure around pronoun usage




I've definitely misgendered a friend that is just starting their transition, while recalling a funny story involving them to another friend, and was corrected by the transgender friend. Luckily, most people are pretty chill about it if you're making a legitimate effort to respect their preferred pronouns.

It's not as huge of a deal for the majority of trans people as a lot of people think. I think something that bothers trans people more is being called by their dead-name, if they've chosen a new name. That can be very uncomfortable to them.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Jean-Luc Picard] * 1
    #28538477 - 11/11/23 10:31 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

I live in Austin. The LGBTQ population is over represented compared to the national average here, and I know and have worked with dozens of transgender people.

This is anecdotal, I’m not making any claims, and I don’t hate transgender people - having said that, almost none of them were mentally stable and they all were less than polite about correcting people regarding pronoun usage. It was always accidental and a lot of the time I was grimaced at in disgust and made to feel very uncomfortable.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28538481 - 11/11/23 10:33 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

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Lol
I thought I was the only one. Edibles have never worked on me once.😂
I’ve had people challenge me to eat some thing. Then they would jokingly say that was five times the amount that someone was supposed to take. To zero effect.

I wish it was impressive. But I just find it super disappointing.

We’re gonna have to try one of those Hollywood trays of brownies where they put $5000 worth of kush into it. Then I bet it would work on us.
Like this video.




SAME. I've proved it so many times I just don't care if people believe me or not. I just decline because I know for a fact it will just waste their shit :/


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