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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: stareatclouds] 1
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stareatclouds said: Oh, sorry. I'm confusing my morons. You're the other moron who keeps posting complete nonsense about pits. I'm noticing a trend here. Oh, look, another idiotic pitbull post with incorrect info that argues totally worthless points. This moron quoting literal propaganda from pitbullinfo[dot]org. Complete dipshit shoehorning in wonderful dogs like boxers when we aren't discussing "bully breeds" in the first place. You have a really tough time understanding the actual discussion, man.
Yeah, yeah. I know. Why don't I waste hours discussing already settled issues with morons who can't understand it anyway? If only there were a FAQ that addresses all of the idiotic talking points you're coming up with that I could point you to. Oh well.
Spoiler alert: losers who defend pitbulls only have a handful of talking points because none of the actual relevant data supports anything they claim. So an FAQ taking a shit on all of it is already built that you can read. This is why every loser website paid for by an actual pit lobby (seriously) uses the same tactics: invent stats to downplay the issue and argue irrelevant points:
"NOBODY KNOWS HOW MANY DOGS THERE ARE SO WE CAN'T TELL HOW DANGEROUS PITS ARE!"
Irrelevant metric used for convenience, although every available dataset where a city tracks all dog bites + releases licensing data overwhelming drives home what is obvious: pits are the fucking worst offenders.
"BUT EVEN IF WE CAN'T TRACK POPULATIONS, THERE ARE ACTUALLY 2 TRILLION PITBULLS IN EVERY CITY, THUS THERE IS TECHNICALLY NO DANGER BECAUSE THE 284 CHILDREN MAULED HORRIFICALLY TO DEATH ARE AN INSIGNIFICANT % AND DON'T MATTER!"
Completely inflated numbers they make up to put other dogs ahead of pits on "aggression" (which is another irrelevant metric).
"DID YOU KNOW PITBULLS DON'T HAVE A LOCKJAW OR THE MOST POWERFUL BITE IN THE WORLD?"
Who gives a fuck?
Pardon me, I missed this leading garbage somehow.
You're addressing points I didn't make, because you're apparently too busy being smug about your over-inflated perception of your own intelligence to read.
I'm explaining why I don't agree with you, and you have been a condescending and insulting asshole the entire time, despite regularly proving you don't actually know what you claim to, and can't even keep up with a few conversations at once without fucking things up like an angry toddler. If you'd actually consider that your knowledge and perceptions of the situations were maybe biased or lacking nuance, and actually read what I'm typing, you might learn something, even if it's ultimately in support of your opinions. It must be nice living with such untouchable confidence.
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Could you summarize what UO you guys are debating
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Nonagon]
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Nah I understand the pitbull bad debate. The gender one
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Nonagon]
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stareatclouds said: These days, I have too many to count, although none should be unpopular, IMO.
- Get rid of pitbulls. They have no place in modern society and the world would be so much better without them. It's absolutely not "all in how you raise them" and I'm sick of seeing normal pets, livestock, and other humans get ripped apart by these monsters.
- Stop allowing homeless drug addicts to victimize other people because they are "the most vulnerable." That's horseshit. The person being victimized by having their shit stolen constantly is the vulnerable one in this scenario. Throw them in jail for breaking laws that actively make our society worse. They have a better shot at getting sober when they don't have access to drugs. Seriously, stop funding the homeless industrial complex to magically NEVER solve a problem and put that money into programs in jails.
- Gender ideology is completely fucking terrible and is 100% harming our children. Nobody is born in the wrong body, it is scientifically impossible, and we will look back on this time in total horror like with lobotomies. The studies that purport gender-affirming care being responsible for plummeting suicide rates are all horseshit, some of which completely made up their results, which should be criminal. We are butchering healthy children and the train is JUST leaving the station on that front. With us teaching kindergarteners they can be any gender, possibly switched, they'll inadvertently confuse that with sex (which most people still use interchangeably anyway); tons of new "trans-kids" will continue being allowed to ruin their bodies. 80%+ of gender-stressed prepubescent children wind up being fine with their bodies post-puberty; most are just gay. We are sterilizing gay and autistic children after brainwashing them into thinking society hates them for being different. It's massively fucked up.
There's a good start. 5000th reply, nice.
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Jean-Luc Picard said: You are choosing to engage with topics that you later claim aren't what you're talking about, yet have, on multiple occasions, refused to clarify wtf you are actually talking about, while repeatedly responding to topics you previously labelled "off-topic".
If by engaging with the topics, you mean I am repeatedly saying, "Hey, this isn't the topic I am trying to talk about" while you ignore it 50x, then yeah, sure.
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I have admitted multiple times that I'm responding to you, based on the information you provide, and you refuse to clarify.
A better way to put it would be that you isolated one specific quote, misinterpreted it altogether, and then spent an hour ranting on irrelevant points. My initial opinion is not very ambiguous, either. You latched onto intersex issues, which are unrelated, and I clarified. You didn't even have a point with that. It's not my fault you don't know how to ask qualifying questions.
You didn't back anything into a corner, lmao, you ranted for 4 pages on a topic COMPLETELY separate from gender ideology:
"What part do you need explaining? Intersex people are like .001% of the population and are not at all what is discussed with gender ideology."
Even now, you're acting as if it's my fault for having to respond to your dumbass 500x because you can't read.
Dude, there are like 50 other things in the original opinion I posted. Maybe you should ask clarifying questions about those because I very clearly stated the issues I had with gender ideology:
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Gender ideology is completely fucking terrible and is 100% harming our children. Nobody is born in the wrong body, it is scientifically impossible, and we will look back on this time in total horror like with lobotomies. The studies that purport gender-affirming care being responsible for plummeting suicide rates are all horseshit, some of which completely made up their results, which should be criminal. We are butchering healthy children and the train is JUST leaving the station on that front. With us teaching kindergarteners they can be any gender, possibly switched, they'll inadvertently confuse that with sex (which most people still use interchangeably anyway); tons of new "trans-kids" will continue being allowed to ruin their bodies. 80%+ of gender-stressed prepubescent children wind up being fine with their bodies post-puberty; most are just gay. We are sterilizing gay and autistic children after brainwashing them into thinking society hates them for being different. It's massively fucked up.
None of those have ANYTHING to do with intersex conditions, which are not relevant. I legitimately listed multiple issues I have with it, so feel free ask what else is so confusing about this opinion. The initial sentence is my stance. Do you disagree? Then state why by addressing the actual points contained within that I clearly take issue with. Shit, go one-by-one, if you'd like. I have italicized the related issues I have, especially the 3rd example.
Please note that I am not interested in debating with your pitbull logic of, "THERE AREN'T THAT MANY CHILDREN RECEIVING DOUBLE MASTECTOMIES FOR NO REASON SO WHO CARES?"
Let's both try and communicate in shorter spurts from now on?
Nonagon,
I said I think gender ideology is an overall harm to children. JLP has latched onto an irrelevant metric on an irrelevant topic I only responded about to tell someone else how it's not relevant. That's it. Given he sources pitbull stats from legit lobby-funded pit propaganda sites that don't even make sense, I don't have high hopes for this topic.
But the italicized parts are the salient points that I think should be considered by those who oppose my viewpoint. I am going to sign off for a bit and don't feel like pulling up links to shit, especially since pit nutters don't care But here are some to get you started. The 80% statistic is perhaps the most relevant to the discussion, in my opinion. Regardless of your stance, everyone should care about studies that make huge claims about children suicide rates plummeting, but don't actually reflect this in the data. Here's a link for one of the worst offenders for this and another related post. Sham science from people pushing for a specific agenda where the medical industry is leaping at the chance for lifelong customers.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Nonagon] 2
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So we actually have come to an understanding on the first two points. The third point is being hashed out. Because the sloth is being obstinant.
Sloth. If somebody had a genie lamp. They had always felt like they were born in the wrong body. Then they wished to be in a different body. Would you still have a problem with them? Because I couldnβt care less. I donβt think you should care. Itβs someone elseβs life. Let them live it however they want to. As long as they arenβt hurting anybody, and respect each other. I couldnβt care less what people do.
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It's not being obstinate when my refusal is to argue something irrelevant to my opinion. Despite what you seem to think, I am not obligated to rebut irrelevant ramblings that lack any parallel to my actual viewpoints. It's on the peanut gallery to respond to my opinion, not argue strawmen.
No offense, but the genie lamp thing is too stupid to entertain. A magic wand or deux ex machina to remove every problem we're discussing is stupid. If I had a magic button that turned every pitbull to a lab, would I have an issue with pits then? It's just a dumb scenario, no offense.
And for fuck's sake, I don't have a problem with any of the people we're discussing. Christ. It genuinely gives me anxiety that I have friends with kids who are trans, incorrectly believing they may have a girl brain with a boy body. Studies fudge data by claiming their gender-affirming care treatment PLUMMETS suicide rates for dysphoric teens. That'd make any parent rush to this clinic, which is in my city, hoping for this magical cure-all for them -- the proverbial magic lamp -- but there is no lamp. We are ushering confused kids into this miracle treatment they don't even understand, fooling parents into believing they're going to prevent suicides in their children; kids with extremely high rates of comorbid mental disorders, that often go UNTREATED because offering ANY pushback to GAC is seen as abuse. I care about people, especially children, and this entire model is completely fucked.
Go look up the other countries realizing this now. America is a fucking joke with this shit.
Try to imagine the % of kids who will have persistent dysphoria. And then imagine the % of that % of kids where something drastic like puberty blockers, hormones, or surgery is the right move -- and I mean it generally does improve their life long-term (even though it doesn't for many of those who WILL be persistently dysphoric).
The model we have setup right now absolutely guarantees false-positives out the ass. The issues I am raising are specifically related to that concept. Nothing I am saying is trying to restrict proper care for people, especially children, so their lives would be worse. I am watching lies, bullshit data, gaslighting, emotional blackmail, and a whole host of other dirty tricks convince children of horseshit. And the snowball is growing.
We can absolutely disagree on all of these points, metrics, issues, whatever. But please don't confuse my concern for hatred.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: stareatclouds]
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Jean-Luc Picard said: You are choosing to engage with topics that you later claim aren't what you're talking about, yet have, on multiple occasions, refused to clarify wtf you are actually talking about, while repeatedly responding to topics you previously labelled "off-topic".
If by engaging with the topics, you mean I am repeatedly saying, "Hey, this isn't the topic I am trying to talk about" while you ignore it 50x, then yeah, sure.
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I have admitted multiple times that I'm responding to you, based on the information you provide, and you refuse to clarify.
A better way to put it would be that you isolated one specific quote, misinterpreted it altogether, and then spent an hour ranting on irrelevant points. My initial opinion is not very ambiguous, either. You latched onto intersex issues, which are unrelated, and I clarified. You didn't even have a point with that. It's not my fault you don't know how to ask qualifying questions.
You didn't back anything into a corner, lmao, you ranted for 4 pages on a topic COMPLETELY separate from gender ideology:
"What part do you need explaining? Intersex people are like .001% of the population and are not at all what is discussed with gender ideology."
Even now, you're acting as if it's my fault for having to respond to your dumbass 500x because you can't read.
Dude, there are like 50 other things in the original opinion I posted. Maybe you should ask clarifying questions about those because I very clearly stated the issues I had with gender ideology:
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Gender ideology is completely fucking terrible and is 100% harming our children. Nobody is born in the wrong body, it is scientifically impossible, and we will look back on this time in total horror like with lobotomies. The studies that purport gender-affirming care being responsible for plummeting suicide rates are all horseshit, some of which completely made up their results, which should be criminal. We are butchering healthy children and the train is JUST leaving the station on that front. With us teaching kindergarteners they can be any gender, possibly switched, they'll inadvertently confuse that with sex (which most people still use interchangeably anyway); tons of new "trans-kids" will continue being allowed to ruin their bodies. 80%+ of gender-stressed prepubescent children wind up being fine with their bodies post-puberty; most are just gay. We are sterilizing gay and autistic children after brainwashing them into thinking society hates them for being different. It's massively fucked up.
None of those have ANYTHING to do with intersex conditions, which are not relevant. I legitimately listed multiple issues I have with it, so feel free ask what else is so confusing about this opinion. The initial sentence is my stance. Do you disagree? Then state why by addressing the actual points contained within that I clearly take issue with. Shit, go one-by-one, if you'd like. I have italicized the related issues I have, especially the 3rd example.
Please note that I am not interested in debating with your pitbull logic of, "THERE AREN'T THAT MANY CHILDREN RECEIVING DOUBLE MASTECTOMIES FOR NO REASON SO WHO CARES?"
Let's both try and communicate in shorter spurts from now on?
Nonagon,
I said I think gender ideology is an overall harm to children. JLP has latched onto an irrelevant metric on an irrelevant topic I only responded about to tell someone else how it's not relevant. That's it. Given he sources pitbull stats from legit lobby-funded pit propaganda sites that don't even make sense, I don't have high hopes for this topic.
But the italicized parts are the salient points that I think should be considered by those who oppose my viewpoint. I am going to sign off for a bit and don't feel like pulling up links to shit, especially since pit nutters don't care But here are some to get you started. The 80% statistic is perhaps the most relevant to the discussion, in my opinion. Regardless of your stance, everyone should care about studies that make huge claims about children suicide rates plummeting, but don't actually reflect this in the data. Here's a [url=https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/researchers-found-puberty-blockers[/url] on one of the worst offenders for this and another related post. Sham science from people pushing for a specific agenda where the medical industry is leaping at the chance for lifelong customers.
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Jean-Luc Picard said: You are choosing to engage with topics that you later claim aren't what you're talking about, yet have, on multiple occasions, refused to clarify wtf you are actually talking about, while repeatedly responding to topics you previously labelled "off-topic".
If by engaging with the topics, you mean I am repeatedly saying, "Hey, this isn't the topic I am trying to talk about" while you ignore it 50x, then yeah, sure.
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I have admitted multiple times that I'm responding to you, based on the information you provide, and you refuse to clarify.
A better way to put it would be that you isolated one specific quote, misinterpreted it altogether, and then spent an hour ranting on irrelevant points. My initial opinion is not very ambiguous, either. You latched onto intersex issues, which are unrelated, and I clarified. You didn't even have a point with that. It's not my fault you don't know how to ask qualifying questions.
You didn't back anything into a corner, lmao, you ranted for 4 pages on a topic COMPLETELY separate from gender ideology:
"What part do you need explaining? Intersex people are like .001% of the population and are not at all what is discussed with gender ideology."
Even now, you're acting as if it's my fault for having to respond to your dumbass 500x because you can't read.
Dude, there are like 50 other things in the original opinion I posted. Maybe you should ask clarifying questions about those because I very clearly stated the issues I had with gender ideology:
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Gender ideology is completely fucking terrible and is 100% harming our children. Nobody is born in the wrong body, it is scientifically impossible, and we will look back on this time in total horror like with lobotomies. The studies that purport gender-affirming care being responsible for plummeting suicide rates are all horseshit, some of which completely made up their results, which should be criminal. We are butchering healthy children and the train is JUST leaving the station on that front. With us teaching kindergarteners they can be any gender, possibly switched, they'll inadvertently confuse that with sex (which most people still use interchangeably anyway); tons of new "trans-kids" will continue being allowed to ruin their bodies. 80%+ of gender-stressed prepubescent children wind up being fine with their bodies post-puberty; most are just gay. We are sterilizing gay and autistic children after brainwashing them into thinking society hates them for being different. It's massively fucked up.
None of those have ANYTHING to do with intersex conditions, which are not relevant. I legitimately listed multiple issues I have with it, so feel free ask what else is so confusing about this opinion. The initial sentence is my stance. Do you disagree? Then state why by addressing the actual points contained within that I clearly take issue with. Shit, go one-by-one, if you'd like. I have italicized the related issues I have, especially the 3rd example.
Please note that I am not interested in debating with your pitbull logic of, "THERE AREN'T THAT MANY CHILDREN RECEIVING DOUBLE MASTECTOMIES FOR NO REASON SO WHO CARES?"
Let's both try and communicate in shorter spurts from now on?
Nonagon,
I said I think gender ideology is an overall harm to children. JLP has latched onto an irrelevant metric on an irrelevant topic I only responded about to tell someone else how it's not relevant. That's it. Given he sources pitbull stats from legit lobby-funded pit propaganda sites that don't even make sense, I don't have high hopes for this topic.
But the italicized parts are the salient points that I think should be considered by those who oppose my viewpoint. I am going to sign off for a bit and don't feel like pulling up links to shit, especially since pit nutters don't care But here are some to get you started. The 80% statistic is perhaps the most relevant to the discussion, in my opinion. Regardless of your stance, everyone should care about studies that make huge claims about children suicide rates plummeting, but don't actually reflect this in the data. Here's a [url=https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/researchers-found-puberty-blockers[/url] on one of the worst offenders for this and another related post. Sham science from people pushing for a specific agenda where the medical industry is leaping at the chance for lifelong customers.
The intersex issue was brought up by another person, and you listed a statistic that was off by at least an order of magnitude, arguably more, based on what I found and brought up, but you conveniently ignored. You were also using that stat to argue irrelevance, which you re-stated recently, which is why I was commenting on it (because the rate of "child butchering" that you care about is happening at a lower rate than the incidence rate of intersex conditions, which you dismiss with incorrect statistics).
Then I responded to your correction that intersex was off-topic, by asking you to clarify your position. You ignored that, and continued to argue back and forth about intersex BS. This was your first invitation to clarify.
I asked you multiple times to clarify wtf you were talking about, and was repeatedly ignored, so that you could engage in name-calling and insulting my intelligence.
When you chose to clarify(to others, not to me, which seems to indicate that you're intentially being difficult with me, but whatever), I responded to that specific clarification, and you told me my response was still off-topic.
Now you're just reposting your original wording, which is not clarification.
My first response to you, contrary to your claims of intersex BS, was that the term "Gender Ideology" does not have a consistent definition, which causes confusion for those attempting to discern your UO. You responded by saying
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...gender ideology, which isn't being used as a buzzword...
And refusing to define it. When I pointed out in a subsequent response that I can't find a consistent definition, you ignored that too.
You're either responding without reading, cherry-picking what you want to discuss, someone with a brain injury, or you're purposely sabotaging any meaningful conversation.
From what you've provided to others, I still think that my information to you regarding gender-affirming SOCs and relative incidence rates is a relevant response, and that's my final response on the subject unless you are willing to clarify why it's off-topic, and/or what your specific definition of "Gender Ideology" is.
If not, I'll chalk this up to a textbook case of Dunning-Kruger or some unknown medical condition and move on from this cesspool of an argument.
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I just don't understand why he can't just respond to points I've asked for clarification on multiple times. I suspect he's actively trolling at this point, either that or he's really butthurt.
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Youβve laid it out in plain English. Youβve basically written the book about how theyβre wrong.
Iβve had this argument with my cousin before about a pinky toeβ¦
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UO Every generation of human beings has a smaller, pinky toe. Eventually, we wonβt have a pinky toe at all. This is because it is no longer required to maintain balance.
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Holy fuck, is this thread on repeat no matter what? I was not quoting a statistic, you absolute bellend. How many times do I have to explain this? I get it, you are still confused.
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You were also using that stat to argue irrelevance, which you re-stated recently
No, I absolutely wasn't. INTERSEX PEOPLE ARE NOT WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE A RARE AND VERY REAL MEDICAL CONDITION, NOT BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ENOUGH OF THEM. Dysphoria and trans-identification and GAC have NOTHING to do with intersex people.
Change the fucking stat to 40% intersex and it doesn't matter because I am not discussing those people who have a completely different set of issues, treatment, and targeting, you dense buffoon. Do you not realize that intersex people are ONLY discussed in trans-ideology and gender issues BECAUSE they're used to conflate the issue at hand? I brought up their numbers in response to the bullshit 1.7%, which is purposely inflated to conflate the issue, to point this out. And rather than double-check the numbers, that are NOT RELEVANT, I just said the real numbers are way, way smaller. Oh, sorry, they're only 100x smaller IRL and not whatever the fuck I said.
How is this so difficult for you to understand? Please have an adult read my posts for you in the future: intersex people are NOT who I am discussing because they are not at all the same as trans people. But again, you're referencing English Bulldogs and Boxers and bully breeds when we're discussing FIGHTING DOGS. You do not know how to read correctly.
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Now you're just reposting your original wording, which is not clarification.
BECAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO GO OFF OF? What the fuck else am I supposed to do? WHAT CLARIFICATION DO YOU NEED? I provided multiple links to every opinion that was "challenged" and you've ignored them all.
It is up to YOU to respond challenging MY opinion, you dunce. I don't give a fuck about YOUR opinion, especially on things I am not even commenting on. Sorry this is so challenging for you.
What in the FUCK am I clarifying that is confusing you so much? Respond directly to MY points or don't respond at all, you clown.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: stareatclouds]
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stareatclouds said: Gender ideology is completely fucking terrible! Holy fuck,What in the FUCK am I clarifying that is confusing you so much? Respond directly to MY points or don't respond at all, you clown.
 This one is willy, I donβt know if we can stun him captain!
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: stareatclouds] 1
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You want me to define "gender ideology", which means a million things to many people, instead of discussing THE ACTUAL ISSUES I HAVE WITHIN IT? Is this real life? If I say I have an issue with pitbulls, I am not willing to spend an hour with mouth-breathers like you, arguing irrelevant bullshit like, "WELL ACKSHUALLY, A PITBULL IS AN UMBRELLA TERM" where you ramble off-topic about bully breeds and boxers. I am clearly talking about fighting dogs we commonly call pits and I am clearly listing the ISSUES with them. THOSE are the issues, not terminology that is only a talking point to imbeciles who have zero logical foundation to debate anything on.
DURR, CAN YOU DEFINE SOMETHING? Dude, I told you several SPECIFIC problems I have that fall under the current "gender movement." Instead of addressing those specifically, you're whining that I am not defining a subjective like term "gender ideology?" It's the umbrella term that includes the specific problems I am highlighting in the original post of mine. THOSE are the issues, ffs.
You can keep asking me to clarify things that don't tie into the issues I have. I will keep ignoring them, obviously. If you disagree with anything I have ACTUALLY stated as an issue or stance, I will respond. So far, all I've seen is you misinterpreting my posts while I'm trying to convey how irrelevant what you're saying is. I can keep explaining this to you, but I can't understand it for you.
As always, pit apologists prove they are the dumbest bastards on the planet.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: stareatclouds] 1
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Calm down, haus.
OK, if you refuse to stay on topic and clarify, after telling me all of my responses are stupid and off-topic. Then I guess we're done. 
I guess the only way I can get down on your level and speak to you in a way you can understand is to simply leave you with this: Your opinion is stupid, and your responses to my comments are stupid and off-topic.
Also you're a big dumb doo-doo head, and "hur-durr look I'm making fun of how dumb you are". Anyone with opinions and posts this dumb aren't worth the fart bubble they were hatched from, [ad-hominem], [projection], [logical inconsistency], [verifiable inaccurate information].
I'm not sure if I'm getting my point across, your communication style is a bit inconsistent, so I hope the meaning isn't lost in that last bit...
Thanks for the enlightening discussion, I feel exactly the same about your 5000th post as I did 6 pages ago.
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Jean-Luc Picard
I only wish i was this good!



Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 4,177
Loc: New Mexico, USA
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Here's my response, again, that you chose to ignore, so you could rant about the intersex BS instead. I addressed what you've brought up with others here, you've just been top busy flipping out about 1.7% and pitbulls to attend to anything relevant.
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Jean-Luc Picard said: You do realize that an individual requires a Gender Dysphoria or Gender Incongruence diagnosis by a licensed therapist before puberty blockers or hormonal therapy is even an option, right?
You also realize that there are official Standards Of Care (SOC) developed by an international, interdisciplinary, non-profit group of medical professionals, and that those SOCs are adopted by all major medical organizations in the US and around the world (including the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the American Psychological Association, the Endocrine Society, the Pediatric Endocrine Society, the Society for Adolescent Health and Medicine, the World Medical Association,and the World Health organization).
These SOCs cover the actual nuance associated with gender-affirming care for children, adolescents, adults, intersex, and even eunuchs. This nuance includes the acknowledgment that minors have more fluid ideas about gender that may not result in a long-term state of transgender, and acknowledgement that some minors may not be in a state to understand or give consent for partially or irreversible procedures. These SOCs do not consider prepubescent children to be eligible to receive medical intervention as part of gender-affirming care. Similarly, adolescent medical/surgical intervention is considered permissible only when a strict set of conditions are met, which include a ICD-11 diagnosis of gender incongruence, a long and persistent experience of gender dysphoria, a mental health evaluation to ensure that the child is mature, informed, and mentally stable enough to provide consent for the procedure, and has to have been on hormonal therapy for a certain amount of time.
This ultimately does track with my original response to your "unpopular opinion" that you seem to have conflated with a popular opinion and/or objective moral/ethical reality.
I ultimately agree with your idealistic statement that, if teachers/parents/healthcare professionals are teaching kids that people are sometimes born with a brain full of cells carrying XX chromosomes existing in a body of cells carrying XY chromosomes, and that if you feel like that, its medically necessary that we chop off your dick as soon as possible...then yea that's morally wrong and super fucked up.
But I think what is actually going on with this situation is that, as you put it in an earlier post, a "very insignificant statistical outlier" sub-population of people under 18 are receiving gender-affirming care, the administration of which adheres to a very well-thought-out standard of care, developed by a group of world-authorities on the subject, in an effort to give the care that is truly needed, and not willy-nilly chopping up the genitalia of brainwashed children. Additionally, there is enough peer-reviewed evidence on regret towards receiving gender-affirming care, and psychological well-being for trans-gender youth with and without appropriate gender-affirming care, that I personally think that the potential for good using this well-developed and tightly-regulated approach, outweighs the potential for poor outcomes, and therefore my opinion on the subject differs from yours.
See how easy it is for me to respond to you in a productive way when I know what you're actually trying to say, rather than just responding to your accusations of not knowing what I'm talking about, sometimes related to posts that I didn't even make?Maybe take a chill pill and consider that a little effort on your part to explain yourself without being a condescending dickhead, will probably result in more productive conversations with others. Its advice that I've found useful in all but the most extreme situations.
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stareatclouds
star eat clouds?



Registered: 09/29/14
Posts: 9,887
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Gender ideology is completely fucking terrible and is 100% harming our children. Nobody is born in the wrong body, it is scientifically impossible, and we will look back on this time in total horror like with lobotomies. The studies that purport gender-affirming care being responsible for plummeting suicide rates are all horseshit, some of which completely made up their results, which should be criminal. We are butchering healthy children and the train is JUST leaving the station on that front. With us teaching kindergarteners they can be any gender, possibly switched, they'll inadvertently confuse that with sex (which most people still use interchangeably anyway); tons of new "trans-kids" will continue being allowed to ruin their bodies. 80%+ of gender-stressed prepubescent children wind up being fine with their bodies post-puberty; most are just gay. We are sterilizing gay and autistic children after brainwashing them into thinking society hates them for being different. It's massively fucked up.
The bolded parts are the salient points to my argument. The 80% statistic is perhaps the most relevant to the discussion, in my opinion. Regardless of your stance, everyone should care about studies that make huge claims about children suicide rates plummeting, but don't actually reflect this in the data. Here's an an example of one of the worst offenders for this and another related post. Sham science from people pushing for a specific agenda where the medical industry is leaping at the chance for lifelong customers.
This is my opinion. It is on YOU to either ask clarifying questions RELATED TO MY STANCE or dispute something I'm saying. I don't know how this is so hard for you. I am posting relevant data to source my issues, which you are ignoring. Perhaps if this is still so puzzling, you should post your opinion for people to challenge instead of launching them into mine?
Listed above are the issues within the gender ideology movement that I have. It completely clarifies what I find problematic about this movement. Do you disagree with them? Because you're asking me to clarify other things for you so you can debate points I've never made that occur outside of the scope of this opinion. Despite what you and your braindead fan seem to think, shifting the conversation into something outside of this isn't you making a point. Posting stats on how not THAT many children receive GAC doesn't address ANYTHING I have an issue with, you muppet.
This is why I am ignoring and making fun of you.
Yes, that post does not address the issues I have, you bumbling fucking idiot. It addresses issues you THINK I probably had that I'm not at all mentioning. You don't want me to clarify my position, you want me to argue yours, dummy. And it still conflates my "very insignificant statistical outlier" comment, which was about intersex people who are NOT who I'm talking about. You are asking me to reply to your incorrect interpretation of what you think I meant with "gender ideology", which are demonstrably NOT the points I brought up initially AND subsequently clarified.
Good riddance.
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