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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
    #28536407 - 11/09/23 10:58 PM (2 months, 17 days ago)

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uo.  this country treats dogs better than homeless people.



OMG so true.




we build entire parks for dogs.  green backyards watered with drinking water. for dogs.  dont get me wrong i love a lot of dogs but most of them are just barking meat with teeth.



We build entire parks for dog owners, they have property and or pay income taxes.  That’s what builds dogs parks.  Do homeless people pay taxes?  As far as I’m aware, homeless dogs are systemically caught and lethal injectioned.

This isn’t a dig at the homeless, or that dogs don’t deserve the parks.  But do we really think that the govt and townships are building parks instead of homeless solutions at the taxpayers expense?  There is no solution to homelessness other than a substantial decrease in standard of living for everyone or changing the capitalist system we live in.  Is there?


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: theRealrollforever] * 2
    #28536455 - 11/09/23 11:40 PM (2 months, 17 days ago)

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Pitbulls don’t bite people, the owners of pitbulls make them bite people :cookiemonster:




I like to keep things efficient and bite people myself.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28536503 - 11/10/23 01:19 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

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It's almost like they're the ones who understand how dangerous they are and keep a distance, despite letting them loose to fight and training them to get better at it.




Of course the people who encourage their fighting instinct and actively abuse them are going to keep their distance...

The American temperament test society puts pitbulls right next to golden retrievers.




God, no they fucking don't. That's not even how that test works. Puts them next to GR for what exactly? You realize "temperament" is not a universal unit of measurement for every dog, right? Like different dogs are expected to have different temperaments -- you quite literally CAN'T compare breeds with the ATTS test. They tell you that on their website if you care to fact check yourself and stop spreading pit propaganda.

If a guard dog and beagle have the same reaction to a stranger approaching during the test, they will not score the same. Beagles shouldn't confront a suspicious person with aggression, but a guard dog likely would.

A pitbull can legitimately pass the temperament test by being aggressive towards people because that's what their breed does. And it can fail for not doing more:
“Just because a certain percentage of dogs in a certain breed fail, this does not necessarily indicate aggression. Dogs fail for other reasons, such as strong avoidance. If you look at our statistics just from a perspective of aggression or non-aggression, they can be very misleading.”

Herkstroeter states that 95% of the dogs that fail, do so because they lack confidence to approach the weirdly dressed stranger or walk on the strange surface. The remaining 5% fail because they take longer than 45 seconds to recover from the gunshot or the umbrella."

"Comparing scores with other dogs is not a good idea" [and the test] "takes into consideration each breed's inherent tendencies"

So comparing pass/fail rates between breeds isn't a thing that can be done. Although it doesn't stop pit apologists from trotting this out over and over to proclaim their dogs the best behaved. Beyond all that, this test is not a good indicator of anything anyway. It's not scientific at all.

"The test is conducted as a pass-fail by majority rule of three testers, and each individual dog is graded according to its own breed's native aptitudes, and taking into account the individual dog's age, health and training.[4] Though the ATTS is the only organization which posts pass rates "by breed",[3] the breeds cannot be compared against each other because the grades are based on each breed's own characteristics."

But again, it isn't scientific or meaningful anyway. Opening an umbrella in front of a dog once and letting a stranger come near? It tells us nothing lol they don't even introduce another dog during the test. Pits are KNOWN for attacking without warning after years of zero aggression, too.

Do you know what information would actually help determine if a breed's temperament is problematic for society? Whether or not the dog winds up attacking someone/something during its life. Fortunately we have bite statistics for the last 20 years. But I guess these can be ignored when they tell us something we don't like.

Listen to what you're saying, dude. "The dogs that have the record for most fatal attacks, most serious damage during attacks, most bites per attack, and frequency of reported attacks YoY for decades have a better temperament than the most friendly dogs ever!" Seriously, go put on your dunce cap.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
    #28536506 - 11/10/23 01:22 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

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Pit bulls and guns. It’s not responsible owners that make it an issue and that’s not what’s being discussed when the issue is raised.




A dog is not a gun. And plenty of "responsible owners" have their pits kill things. Caesar Milan's pitbulls ripped apart Queen Latifah's dogs. The professional dog trainer who wrote like 50 books on breeds, including Pitbulls For Dummies, no longer recommends them because theirs killed her other dog without warning. It's almost like it's genetics that dictate most of a dog's behavior and not whether you feed it on time or something.

Please read this. Respectfully, I have spent years researching this issue at this point. It is overwhelmingly clear that pits ARE the issue. There is no responsible way to put a fighting dog in modern society and I shouldn't have to play Russian roulette at the dog park hoping you're one of the "responsible owners."











Is she a responsible owner or no?


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: stareatclouds]
    #28536538 - 11/10/23 02:58 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

I guess I'll have to look at their site a little harder. But of course the most actively abused breed in the world is damaged goods. You like to say dogs aren't humans but yes decades if not hundreds of years of trauma tend to produce little psychopaths, and it takes a long long time with a tuao care to remedy that. You see that same shit in human populations all the time. Id also ask where the data is. Outside of how many attacks or deaths a year. You say that any good pit can just flip a switch and be a killer, but do you know if the dog came directly from a Fighting line, did it come from the street in a pack of other dogs, how was it's home life etc.... none of that information is compiled anywhere to actually get to the bottom of it. You'd rather genocide the dogs. Which I can understand to some degree.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28536621 - 11/10/23 06:35 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

I wasn’t comparing pit bulls and guns in terms of risk, just how they’re discussed and how people like to say “b-b-b-but I knew a good pit bull once!” like that means anything at all.

I’m of the opinion they all need to be sterilized and live out the rest of their days. No more pit bulls, no more pugs. Stop fucking with dog breeds.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
    #28536634 - 11/10/23 06:55 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

Unpop op: everyone should own a pit bull and at least one gun :house:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
    #28536636 - 11/10/23 06:56 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

B-b-but… my pitbull is different 🥺

Smelly bro, please… You just haven’t tried the right strain.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] * 2
    #28536638 - 11/10/23 06:56 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

I actually give guns to pit bulls


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Nonagon] * 2
    #28536639 - 11/10/23 06:58 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

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B-b-but… my pitbull is different 🥺

Smelly bro, please… You just haven’t tried the right strain.



Have you tried arming your pit bull with a 9mm semi automatic pistol with a laser sight? It’s funny because the dog will chase the laser, discharging the firearm the whole way. By the time he reaches the target 4 year old in the park, public terror and damage has already been maximized.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Nonagon] * 1
    #28536642 - 11/10/23 06:59 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

One of my closest friends owns a pit bull and she had been one of the best dogs I've ever had the pleasure to meet.  He has had her from a baby and she has never just flipped a switch and snapped.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 5
    #28536643 - 11/10/23 06:59 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

Pit bulls with frickin laser beams attached to their heads


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
    #28536644 - 11/10/23 07:00 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

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I actually give guns to pit bulls




I fire abused pitbulls with guns out of cannons into children's hospitals.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28536645 - 11/10/23 07:00 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

That's almost as cool sounding as dinosaurs with guns :ancientaliens:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28536651 - 11/10/23 07:06 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)



Pit bulls are way more vicious than sharks


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #28536652 - 11/10/23 07:06 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

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One of my closest friends owns a pit bull and she had been one of the best dogs I've ever had the pleasure to meet.  He has had her from a baby and she has never just flipped a switch and snapped.




Sorry but this is bullshit dude. The personality she has shown the world her entire life is a carefully crafted facade. She was engineered to murder.

Don’t get fooled.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Nonagon] * 1
    #28536671 - 11/10/23 07:23 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

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One of my closest friends owns a pit bull and she had been one of the best dogs I've ever had the pleasure to meet.  He has had her from a baby and she has never just flipped a switch and snapped.




Sorry but this is bullshit dude. The personality she has shown the world her entire life is a carefully crafted facade. She was engineered to murder.

Don’t get fooled.



Exactly. Just biding her time until she peels a toddler scalp like you or I might casually skin a clementine.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
    #28536689 - 11/10/23 07:34 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

I've genetically engineered my pet chihuahua to kill people holding/eating/making/otherwise interacting with the subject of, tacos.

He is responsible for 86% of all fatal taco-related violence in the US.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Jean-Luc Picard] * 1
    #28536730 - 11/10/23 07:59 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

Stareatclouds seems to have a problem with selective acknowledgement of situational nuance.

"Here's why this specific study or test that i dont agreee with has problems that affect the accuracy of its conclusions You know what should be trusted to prove my point? A aggregation of reports from a large group of unsupervised individuals from different organizations, ignoring all other evidence of nuance to the way in which this data was gathered or presented."

"Genetics are the sole reason that biological organisms act the way they do and there's no room for discussion of modern diffusion of genetics within the modern putbull, or the varied and chronological variation in desirable breeding characteristics. But, in humans, chromosomal deviations from the binary gender model aren't scoped into the gender model or statistics involving intersex individuals, and the behaviors that transgender individuals exhibit can only be explained by external influences like parents and teachers."

"Pitbulls are engineered to kill, have statistics that support that they are disproportionately involved in fatal attacks on humans compared to to other breeds, and I advocate for their eradication, regardless of conflicting evidence of their utility in certain applications or claims of behavioral variation within their population. Also, guns are engineered to kill, have statistics showing that they are disproportionately involved in fatal attacks on humans compared to other attack methods, and I refuse to see the similarities here and the conclusions that my logical framework could be applied to."

:pipesmoke: what a silly goose.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28536744 - 11/10/23 08:08 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

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I guess I'll have to look at their site a little harder. But of course the most actively abused breed in the world is damaged goods. You like to say dogs aren't humans but yes decades if not hundreds of years of trauma tend to produce little psychopaths, and it takes a long long time with a tuao care to remedy that. You see that same shit in human populations all the time. Id also ask where the data is. Outside of how many attacks or deaths a year. You say that any good pit can just flip a switch and be a killer, but do you know if the dog came directly from a Fighting line, did it come from the street in a pack of other dogs, how was it's home life etc.... none of that information is compiled anywhere to actually get to the bottom of it. You'd rather genocide the dogs. Which I can understand to some degree.




Maybe you should seriously consider that you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about? Anybody anthropomorphizing a dangerous dog like this should never be allowed to own one.

Christ almighty, stop breeding these dogs. I'm sick of watching people like you jump through hoops to justify little kids getting their scalps ripped off for riding a bike. "BUT DO WE KNOW IF THE DOG WAS HGEHEUOWTH" who gives a fuck? WE DO NOT NEED FIGHTING DOGS.


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