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stareatclouds
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GenesisCorrupted said: Treating animals excellently. Produces excellent animals.
No, it doesn't. Treating animals that are already excellent pets with great care will, but no amount of training or polite treatment will undo genetics. Sure, you can influence a dog's behavior; worse training will exacerbate issues. But a dog that has been genetically altered to fight to the death with little provocation is not going to change because you put a binky in it's mouth or dressed it in a bumblebee outfit.
I always believed, incorrectly, the shit about, "its' all in how you raise it" and, "no such thing as a bad dog, only bad owners" bullshit, too. And then I spent a lot of time researching the actual issues and their answers and it's overwhelming clear that pitbulls ARE the issue at hand. Worse owners will do worse with them, yes, but plenty of great dog owners have pits that kill people or pets.
It's cognitive dissonance that allows folks to incorrectly believe it was their great raising that let them win pitbull roulette.
Read this FAQ and get back to me. Pits are absolutely NOT the same as other dogs. Pits aren't fought because they happen to be the best at it, people. They were made that way through hundreds of years of constant selective breeding. You can't get any other dog to behave like pits for the same reason pits don't run the Iditarod.
I love how breeding/genetics go out the window with pits ONLY. Funny how the deaths attributed to these dogs are never the ones who actively DO abuse the dogs, i.e., dog fighters. It's almost like they're the ones who understand how dangerous they are and keep a distance, despite letting them loose to fight and training them to get better at it.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: stareatclouds] 1
#28535831 - 11/09/23 02:54 PM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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Yes it will. When I’m talking about animals, being fed, exercised, and treated with love and compassion.
If the animal has a birth defect. Treating it really well isn’t gonna fix it. That’s not what I meant.
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#28535834 - 11/09/23 02:56 PM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Nonagon]
#28535836 - 11/09/23 02:58 PM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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Nonagon said: Obviously there’d be a small percentage in every population of chihuahuas, poodles, etc that are just genetically more violent, as in the human population.
Do you feel that humans are simply at some unique point on the well adjusted - serial killer spectrum at birth? Environment during upbringing has nothing to do with it?
Humans are not the same as dog breeds and I'm not engaging with people who are incapable of realizing this. There's a difference between a dog who might be more aggressive than others and a dog that is physically capable of killing humans that was SPECIFICALLY selectively bred to KILL. If you can't understand that, we're definitely at an impasse.
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GenesisCorrupted said: Yes it will. When I’m talking about animals, being fed, exercised, and treated with love and compassion.
If the animal has a birth defect. Treating it really well isn’t gonna fix it. That’s not what I meant.
No offense, but you are the problem and why we can't have pitbulls. You legitimately don't even understand basic shit like a dog's genetics, man. You think the pits that kill animals and kids and adults weren't exercised, well-fed, and treated with love?
Bro, read that FAQ so you can have some semblance of knowing wtf you're talking about. Please read it. You are a million miles away from the starting point you need.
If what you say is true, you can show compassion and love your dog into smelling like a bloodhound. We are talking genetics, bro, not learned behavior from less-than-ideal owners. If it were as simple as you make it sound, we wouldn't ever have a dog trainer's pit kill something. Yet we do.
The birth defect is the dog's brain that has been severely altered along with it's body through HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF SELECTIVE BREEDING. Why do you think dog fighter's would meticulously cull and breed specific dogs with specific tendencies to produce this optimal product if all it takes it some wine mom treating them a certain way to alter behavior?
You realize dog's come from wolves right? Do you see how wolves hunt? They are intelligent hunters who purposely try and pick fights they can win (barring extreme starvation or disease). Pitbulls will fight to the death, despite having their guts ripped out, without killing for food. We specifically bred survival instinct OUT of them. If you need EVERY pit to kill some kid to realize they're a bad idea, I don't know what to say to you.
The dog is the defect.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: stareatclouds]
#28536116 - 11/09/23 06:22 PM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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stareatclouds said: It's almost like they're the ones who understand how dangerous they are and keep a distance, despite letting them loose to fight and training them to get better at it.
Of course the people who encourage their fighting instinct and actively abuse them are going to keep their distance...
The American temperament test society puts pitbulls right next to golden retrievers.
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stareatclouds said: It's almost like they're the ones who understand how dangerous they are and keep a distance, despite letting them loose to fight and training them to get better at it.
Of course the people who encourage their fighting instinct and actively abuse them are going to keep their distance...
The American temperament test society puts pitbulls right next to golden retrievers.
yeah but when a golden retriever bites someone they dont rip they fuckin arm off.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: stareatclouds]
#28536141 - 11/09/23 06:43 PM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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Hey, it’s not my fault you didn’t read my earlier post. I don’t think that there should be any pit bulls. I just said they are pretty beefy. We should breed them out with other dogs. Then they would lose their violent tendencies.
I was interested in a bulldog pitbull. But I think that might still be too violent. Maybe a golden retreiver pitbull. That would be pretty cute
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Pit bulls and guns. It’s not responsible owners that make it an issue and that’s not what’s being discussed when the issue is raised.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#28536144 - 11/09/23 06:45 PM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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UO People that talk about dog breeds to much are boring.
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uo. this country treats dogs better than homeless people.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28536158 - 11/09/23 07:04 PM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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BeefSupremeJr said: uo. this country treats dogs better than homeless people.
I treat my cat better than I’ve treated homeless people, just on the grounds that I’ve provided my cat food, shelter, and unconditional love.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] 1
#28536172 - 11/09/23 07:18 PM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said:
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BeefSupremeJr said: uo. this country treats dogs better than homeless people.
I treat my cat better than I’ve treated homeless people, just on the grounds that I’ve provided my cat food, shelter, and unconditional love.
ya but kitties is gud
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28536177 - 11/09/23 07:20 PM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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BeefSupremeJr said: uo. this country treats dogs better than homeless people.
OMG so true.
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BeefSupremeJr said: uo. this country treats dogs better than homeless people.
OMG so true.
we build entire parks for dogs. green backyards watered with drinking water. for dogs. dont get me wrong i love a lot of dogs but most of them are just barking meat with teeth.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] 2
#28536204 - 11/09/23 07:48 PM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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I can tell when she’s dreaming about ripping the heads off of innocent children
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Nonagon]
#28536221 - 11/09/23 08:10 PM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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Look at that sleeping death machine, bred for violence… hahaha. She is just incapable of restraining her aggression because she is just inherently dangerous.
I respect everyone’s opinions but damn, I bet half the naysayers have never even owned any of the breeds considered pit.
It’s a good thing this is just an opinion thread.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: stareatclouds] 1
#28536331 - 11/09/23 09:52 PM (2 months, 18 days ago) |
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stareatclouds said: 1.7% is claimed by the moron who said there were 5 sexes. She also incorrectly (and probably purposely) added a bunch of conditions that are NOT considered intersex conditions. The real numbers are much, much, much smaller.
Yet i cannot find studies that back up your claim, but i can find studies (that ive already mentioned and you've blatently ignored). That have used literal genetic testing on statistically significant sample populations, and still find population percentages orders of magnitude larger than the numbers you claim.
I even found a medical publication specifically calling out the original claim of 1.7%, argued the same claim you made about the inaccuracies in that estimate, and still came up with a corrected rate that is nearly 20x higher than your claimed rates.
So even if I assume that you're correct on the rates being lower than 1.7%, and for the reasons you stated, the figures you claimed are still objectively incorrect.
Maybe don't get so snarky before double-checking your claims for accuracy. 
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stareatclouds said: I am not saying "numbers are so small they're insignificant" either. I am saying that gender ideology, which isn't being used as a buzzword, is never referring to intersex people like you claim. People like you shoehorn it in where it doesn't fit and use it to discuss the broader issue of gender conveniently replacing sex.
But you were the one who dismissed someone else's question about how you feel about hermaphrodites, not by simply mentioning that it didn't pertain to the subject at-hand, but by leading your response with population percentages related to intersex people. How do you expect all of us to interpret that response? It feels like you're dodging taking responsibility for your shitty argument being turned against you, but I can't prove intent, so I'll take you at your word and just advise you to be clear with your statements, otherwise you open yourself up to tangent conversations. 
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stareatclouds said: Let me know if you're capable of discussing the salient point I am actually referencing and not diverting the argument into something irrelevant.
As has been addressed in the above responses, your point is far from salient. Seeing as how I can find about as many definitions for "gender ideology" as there are google results for the subject, you engage in arguments that you start, and then claim that those who engage with you on those arguments are off-topic, you have no idea what the actual, published intersex rates are, and are generally arguing about procedures being done on minors that are incredibly rare, I'd say I'm pretty confused about if there is any original point, other than you're really into consuming transphobic propaganda. More people in the US are struck by lightning each year than minors getting mastectomy or genital surgeries as part of gender-affirming care.
Since I've obviously been led so far astray from your "salient" point, why don't you do me a solid and state it again, clear from other tangent responses, and incorporating the knowledge that I find your original post to contain terms that I have been unable to consistently define, claims that don't appear to be supported by objective evidence, and generally just comes across like someone angrily parroting transphobic horseshit. I'd like for you to clearly point out a salient point for me, so I don't get off-topic again.
I will point out that, up until you started posting statistics, your post was simply an opinion, that I found unpopular. So if you just want to post your unpopular opinions and move on, you're free to do so.
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 TY Capt, agreed.
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