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NotSheekle
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
#28211045 - 03/02/23 01:02 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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split_by_nine said: more for me

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split_by_nine
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: Wouldn't that be a really easy way to get HIV or other STIs?
if the person is hiv or sti/std positive, then yes.
otherwise, no.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
#28211084 - 03/02/23 01:38 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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Vampire rules?
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flugelizor
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Moshe]
#28211279 - 03/02/23 04:33 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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Moshe said:
Hand sanitizer is such a ridiculous bullshit (being used as it is). People who grow shroom should know better imo 
Wait a minit... Hand sanitizer is essentially thickened alcohol. I spray alcohol on my hands when I do agar work.
Am I missing something?
Maybe what you mean is no need to be sterile all the time. I agree with that! I rarely use sanitizer.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
#28211548 - 03/02/23 07:22 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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Agreed I am always surprised that people are not more serious about their health.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: loladoreen] 4
#28211978 - 03/03/23 03:23 AM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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Weed is definitely an addictive drug for some users to the point where they will experience withdrawals if they immediately stop using.
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Moshe
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: flugelizor]
#28211999 - 03/03/23 04:33 AM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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flugelizor said:
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Moshe said:
Hand sanitizer is such a ridiculous bullshit (being used as it is). People who grow shroom should know better imo 
Wait a minit... Hand sanitizer is essentially thickened alcohol. I spray alcohol on my hands when I do agar work.
Am I missing something?
Maybe what you mean is no need to be sterile all the time. I agree with that! I rarely use sanitizer.
Yeah, you miss the washing your hands first part for any of this to be effective. Otherwise you're just smearing dirt and bacteria all over your hands. That "kills 99% of germs" bullshit they write on the bottle is just that - an egregious bullshit, easily disproved, yet here we are... That's the reason you use soapy water and not alcohol to "sanitize" your SAB - Water washes the germs off, alcohol just somewhat reduces their numbers.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Moshe]
#28212053 - 03/03/23 06:23 AM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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So alcohol is not effective at killing bacteria, viruses, and fungi? Wow, that is an unpopular opinion!
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NotSheekle
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: flugelizor] 2
#28212063 - 03/03/23 06:45 AM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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Maybe Pfizer should have offered Iso as a vaccine and this clown act would all be over
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Moshe
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: flugelizor]
#28212080 - 03/03/23 07:00 AM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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flugelizor said: So alcohol is not effective at killing bacteria, viruses, and fungi? Wow, that is an unpopular opinion!
Not an opinion my friend, pure science
https://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-hand-sanitizer.html
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Jean-Luc Picard
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Moshe] 2
#28212235 - 03/03/23 09:18 AM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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Moshe said:
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flugelizor said: So alcohol is not effective at killing bacteria, viruses, and fungi? Wow, that is an unpopular opinion!
Not an opinion my friend, pure science
https://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-hand-sanitizer.html
All this is saying is that alcohol-based sanitizers don't work as well when applied improperly, not that alcohol doesn't work as a sanitizer.
Like if you're working on your car out in the driveway or cooking in your kitchen, and your hands are coated in oil or grease, or general grime, then just using hand sanitizer won't be as effective as washing your hands first to remove the bulk of the grime and then following up with hand sanitizer. Similarly, putting a tiny amount on to be quick with it, or using a 20% or 40% alcohol mixture instead of a 70-95% mixture, is going to be less effective.
Most bacteria, viruses, and fungi will die when exposed to 70%+ ehtyl alcohol for several seconds. There are tons of microscopy videos online showing this mass death in real-time. There is a reason ethyl and isopropyl alcohol are a staple in a hospital setting. Claiming that alcohol is not an effective sanitizing compound is just inaccurate.
Now, in the context of constantly using said sanitizers to constantly sanitize your everyday surroundings...that's a different story. I try to adhere to "all things in moderation" for these sort of things. Basic sanitization and hygiene are essential to not dying early from some stupid, preventable disease, but constantly sanitizing yourself and your surroundings is just setting yourself up for failure in the inevitable scenario where you leave your house and move into an environment where the level of sanitization can't be controlled by you.
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Moshe
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uhhh... yeah, this is exactly what i said (never said it's not killing bacteria, just commented on the efficiency of the application)
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Jean-Luc Picard
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Jean-Luc Picard] 2
#28212270 - 03/03/23 09:57 AM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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Moshe said: uhhh... yeah, this is exactly what i said (never said it's not killing bacteria, just commented on the efficiency of the application)
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Moshe said:
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flugelizor said: So alcohol is not effective at killing bacteria, viruses, and fungi? Wow, that is an unpopular opinion!
Not an opinion my friend, pure science
https://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-hand-sanitizer.html
If that's what you meant, consider choosing your wording and responses a little more carefully
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: flugelizor] 1
#28212283 - 03/03/23 10:09 AM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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flugelizor said: So alcohol is not effective at killing bacteria, viruses, and fungi? Wow, that is an unpopular opinion!
Yeah, when I have an infected cut I open it back up and soak it in alcohol and it goes away
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Jean-Luc Picard said:
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Moshe said: uhhh... yeah, this is exactly what i said (never said it's not killing bacteria, just commented on the efficiency of the application)
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Moshe said:
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flugelizor said: So alcohol is not effective at killing bacteria, viruses, and fungi? Wow, that is an unpopular opinion!
Not an opinion my friend, pure science
https://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-hand-sanitizer.html
If that's what you meant, consider choosing your wording and responses a little more carefully 
Dude, there's my comment, it's like two comments above this one, it'll give you context to this sentence. What i originally commented on was - The ineffectiveness of hand sanitizer, as being used by the majority of people (a "ridiculous bullshit"), later expanding on this assertion by stating the obvious "wash your hands first, duh!" and providing a source for the information. My point being, that without washing your hands first, hand sanitizer is not effective.
Most people i'm aware of use hand sanitizer instead of washing their hands, and that's just gross
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Moshe] 2
#28212326 - 03/03/23 10:48 AM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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Fight!
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Moshe
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: gopher]
#28212327 - 03/03/23 10:50 AM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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flugelizor said: So alcohol is not effective at killing bacteria, viruses, and fungi? Wow, that is an unpopular opinion!
Yeah, when I have an infected cut I open it back up and soak it in alcohol and it goes away
This is actually unnecessary if you can expose the open wound to air dry some and that'll kill the bacteria. I keep my extremities in a constant state of being fucked by all sorts of weird shit and i don't remember ever needing to apply alc. I mean, there's a reason people use iodine and not ethanol for disinfecting wounds
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Jean-Luc Picard
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Moshe]
#28212336 - 03/03/23 10:55 AM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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Moshe said: Dude, there's my comment, it's like two comments above this one, it'll give you context to this sentence. What i originally commented on was - The ineffectiveness of hand sanitizer, as being used by the majority of people (a "ridiculous bullshit"), later expanding on this assertion by stating the obvious "wash your hands first, duh!" and providing a source for the information. My point being, that without washing your hands first, hand sanitizer is not effective.
Most people i'm aware of use hand sanitizer instead of washing their hands, and that's just gross 
Yes, I read your previous posts, and I'm trying to tell you that you are incorrect.
A correct statement would be: Without washing your hands first, hand sanitizer is less effective.
Hand sanitizer doesn't magically deactivate when it senses that you haven't washed your hands first, and in the absence of access to water and soap, it still performs its stated job of "reducing the number of bacteria that potentially can cause disease". That's like reading the label on the back of a bottle of advil, and making the statement that "without addressing the amount of time hunched over looking at a computer screen first, advil will be completely ineffective at treating your stress headache". It makes no sense, and just isn't true. Further, you responded to a question of "so alcohol isn't effective at killing bacteria, viruses, and fungi?" with "yes, its science", when 70-95% ethyl alcohol products routinely kill the vast majority of microscopic life within a few seconds of exposure in standardized tests. Hence my advice to choose your choice of words carefully. You may mean one thing, but your words are communicating something different here.
On all other things you've said, I agree with you. If the people you interact with never wash their hands, then they aren't removing other things like endospores, alcohol-resistant pathogens, chemicals and heavy metals, etc. etc. I agree that that practice is gross and generally less effective at reducing the liklihood of disease and illness. The "kill's 99.9% of bacteria" is a bit misleading, because its based on very specific test results in ASTM E1153, and is likely not true in every real-world application.
Hopefully this clears some things up for you.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Moshe] 1
#28212340 - 03/03/23 11:02 AM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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Moshe said:
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gopher said:
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flugelizor said: So alcohol is not effective at killing bacteria, viruses, and fungi? Wow, that is an unpopular opinion!
Yeah, when I have an infected cut I open it back up and soak it in alcohol and it goes away
This is actually unnecessary if you can expose the open wound to air dry some and that'll kill the bacteria. I keep my extremities in a constant state of being fucked by all sorts of weird shit and i don't remember ever needing to apply alc. I mean, there's a reason people use iodine and not ethanol for disinfecting wounds

Exposing an open wound to air increases exposure to pathogens in the air. This wive's tale of drying out a wound to heal it has been debunked countless times. Human cells need moisture in order to heal. Drying out a wound by exposing it to air not only exposes tissue to more pathogens, but generally slows down the healing process.
Also, sanitation of external surfaces using and disinfection of internal tissues are two completely different things. Its clearly stated on all bottles of ethanol-based sanitizers "for external use only".
Maybe stop with the anecdotal medical advice?
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I used to clean my soul by drinking alcohol. Doesnât work very well
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