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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#28199280 - 02/22/23 02:22 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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I mean.. you dont know a single Biblical verse and youve openly broken all the forbiden sins. Do you repent every day?
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: trees] 1
#28199286 - 02/22/23 02:26 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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trees said: I mean.. you dont know a single Biblical verse and youve openly broken all the forbiden sins. Do you repent every day?
Haha I know plenty of verses. I’ve read the Bible cover to cover. I don’t think it should be interpreted literally all the time, and I think over the course of thousands of years it has been altered by men to fit their personal agendas.
Knowing Bible verses doesn’t make you Christian.
All Christians sin.
My repentance is a personal matter, so I will refrain from answering. I just don’t talk about my conversations with god very openly.
Also I haven’t committed murder yet, so we’re not at a total blowout loss yet lol
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trees said: Im now on the conclusion that you arent a real Christian, like a lot of cross dressers are not women. I suppose i understood this all along but didnt find the words for it till now. And that explains why i found it so confusing that you keep calling yourself Christian, when youre not actually a real Christian. You, like cross dressers calling themselves women or men when they arent, call yourself a Christian
You can have that opinion of me, but it isn’t true.
I think Trees is right. Smellyhobbit, you just said earlier:
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Smellyhobbit said: I’m anti religion but pro god
Christianity is a religion. You can't be a Christian and be anti-religion.
I politely disagree
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] 2
#28199298 - 02/22/23 02:30 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: Well to be honest the potential existence of other gods and whether or not I’m right wasn’t what I was discussing. I’m not bothered by the potential that I’m wrong. I’m not bothered by the potential that others are right.
Do you genuinely believe in a Flying Spaghetti Monster? A fictional character who was specifically designed to undermine other beliefs? If you do, I won’t judge you for it, but, again, it’s disingenuous. We both know you don’t. You thank the spaghetti monster at dinner to mock people thanking god, and that is in itself the inability to tolerate that I have a problem with. I have Muslim friends, Buddhist friends, atheist friends, agnostic friends, witch friends, friends who are vaguely spiritual but don’t believe anything specific - but they don’t do anything to disrespect me and I don’t do anything to disrespect them.
On my end, this whole thing is about not intentionally misrepresenting someone in order to justify hating them. I don’t vibe with that. And I think you’re better than that, from my interactions with you.
I respect your ability to stay focused on the conversation. I genuinely am not sure if there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster, or a God, or nothing. There is no proof of any of that. I admit, I may have gotten a little off-topic from the original point I was trying to make, which was that church is mostly not okay because it leads to a lack of human rights. I will not tolerate people who believe in churches/religions in which human rights are taken away, it's not progress. It's a control mechanism for those who seek power and have selfish intentions.
I do enjoy your posts and look forward to continuing that, Smellyhobbit. I just finished re-watching LotR a couple of months ago; it's always such a fun time.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] 1
#28199304 - 02/22/23 02:32 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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trees said: Im now on the conclusion that you arent a real Christian, like a lot of cross dressers are not women. I suppose i understood this all along but didnt find the words for it till now. And that explains why i found it so confusing that you keep calling yourself Christian, when youre not actually a real Christian. You, like cross dressers calling themselves women or men when they arent, call yourself a Christian
You can have that opinion of me, but it isn’t true.
I think Trees is right. Smellyhobbit, you just said earlier:
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Smellyhobbit said: I’m anti religion but pro god
Christianity is a religion. You can't be a Christian and be anti-religion.
I politely disagree 
You do see the irony in your logic, right?
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All Christians sin.
That is the worst cheapest scam of Christianity for me. Christians use this part to justify doing bad shit knowing they can repent later. You use it to do whatever you want in your life despite the Bibles rules and guidance, all christians abuse it, hence all the mass ammount of pedophile priests. I find it grotesque for anyone to state "All Christians sin" as a justification for their own violations.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
#28199333 - 02/22/23 02:41 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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No? I disagree that Christianity is a religion. I think it’s the name you give your faith. I think Catholicism, Baptism, Methodism, and other things are religions practicing Christianity. That’s just my opinion. Religion is a man made invention. Christianity, in my belief system, isn’t. It’s ok if you disagree with that it’s just semantics to me.
And to be clear, I’m not upset or angry or anything. Whatever you choose to believe or don’t believe doesn’t impact how I view you as a person, at least through this screen since that’s what we’ve got ❤️
I also don’t like the church. I’ve been in a lot of rotten churches, and I think once human beings start organizing things there is a 100% chance of a fuckup somewhere. I’ve been in one church in my life that did things pretty right, and the rest were awful. That’s why I don’t go. I just do my best to live it.
Also LotR slaps hard af
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: trees]
#28199337 - 02/22/23 02:42 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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All Christians sin.
That is the worst cheapest scam of Christianity for me. Christians use this part to justify doing bad shit knowing they can repent later. You use it to do whatever you want in your life despite the Bibles rules and guidance, all christians abuse it, hence all the mass ammount of pedophile priests. I find it grotesque for anyone to state "All Christians sin" as a justification for their own violations.
Nah man that’s literally the point of Christianity. Every human being sins. You sin, I sin, the pope sins. We all do. Christianity represents a path to redemption. But it’s not a free ticket to sin consequence free.
This still goes back to your misunderstanding of repentance.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#28199371 - 02/22/23 02:56 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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You throw on a wig and womens clothes you dont just get to start using the womens restroom in public. You can go around calling yourself a woman, but unless you go all the way and really convince the world of your womenness like lady boys from thailand then sure i guess thats basically a woman and go ahead and use the womens restroom in public. But the guy with beard stubble and jacked shoulders wearing 1 or 2 feminine articles of clothing, i cant just be like "oh yeah definitely a woman, let them into the womans restroom"
For me its the same with self proclaimed religious people, you call yourself Christian but with nothing to show or say for it and you express many contrarian anti-christian behaviors. Like Matt Walsh said, "its extremely hard to be a good Christian" he says "good Christian" im feelig like if you freeload yourself onto Christianity without maintaining purity then youre a halfassed Christian / not a Christian at all, just like the stubbly beard guy wearing a dress wont get recognized as suitable for the womens restroom.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
#28199383 - 02/22/23 03:08 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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It is extremely hard to be a good Christian, so much so that anyone would find it undesirable.
It’s a hard thing to understand from the outside looking in, I guess, it isn’t something I require approval from others to be. I am a Christian. If you disagree, that’s fine. It doesn’t bother me.
I mean you’re talking about things I have or haven’t done but you know me only through the forum. It’s a weird claim to make, don’t you think?
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: I just claimed it. At my family Christmas a couple of months ago my family said a prayer to God, thanking for the food. Then I said a prayer to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, thanking for the food. The fact that you think it's demeaning proves you don't support others' beliefs. You don't think you're the only one right, do you? Also you didn't respond to my point about your God and the thousands of other Gods.
Speaking of saying grace, prayer, etc I read a book last summer. About plants, living things, water, etc. How when connected to a machine like a lie detector, plants scream when ate, cut etc. BUT if you thank them, verbally or mentally they do not Isnt that fucking awesome. I sent that book to more prisons and jails then any other book I have sent. it was the most requested book.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: loladoreen]
#28199441 - 02/22/23 03:52 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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This is the book: Reality Unveiled: The Hidden Keys of Existence That Will Transform Your Life (and the World) Paperback – January 26, 2017 by Ziad Masri (Author)
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
#28199445 - 02/22/23 03:54 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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Is that shit true because it’s terrifying
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] 2
#28199447 - 02/22/23 03:55 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: No? I disagree that Christianity is a religion. I think it’s the name you give your faith. I think Catholicism, Baptism, Methodism, and other things are religions practicing Christianity. That’s just my opinion. Religion is a man made invention. Christianity, in my belief system, isn’t. It’s ok if you disagree with that it’s just semantics to me.
And to be clear, I’m not upset or angry or anything. Whatever you choose to believe or don’t believe doesn’t impact how I view you as a person, at least through this screen since that’s what we’ve got ❤️
I also don’t like the church. I’ve been in a lot of rotten churches, and I think once human beings start organizing things there is a 100% chance of a fuckup somewhere. I’ve been in one church in my life that did things pretty right, and the rest were awful. That’s why I don’t go. I just do my best to live it.
Also LotR slaps hard af
Do you believe in a Supreme God, is this God (or its offspring) and its teachings considered sacred to you?
Do you practice or conduct your life differently due to this belief in god and its teachings or texts, even against your own personal comfort or convenience?
If so, you're belief system meets the requirements for what most resources consider to be a religious belief system. Additionally, most if not all flavors of Christianity also meet those requirements, and thus christianity is almost unanimously considered to be a religion, with many sects or denominations making up what you call religions (Catholics, Lutherans, Calvinists, etc.). In the real world, if you're calling yourself a Christian, then you are part of the Christian religion. That's kinda how adjectives and definitions normally work.
It's cool if you want to make up your own system of definitions for terms and ideas that have been well-defined for a long time, but just expect people to disagree with you, because what you're saying, with the words you're using, without explaining your internal definitions first to make your statements locally true, is otherwise objectively false.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
#28199457 - 02/22/23 04:05 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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Christian religion = Christian faith
Catholicism, Baptism, Mathodism or however you spell it is the organized religion. That’s how I interpret it. It doesn’t seem like a stretch to me, but maybe you’re in disagreement.
You could also say I dislike the Church with a capital C, but think the concept of churches is fine.
It’s a lot of semantics, which I don’t consider important. Happy to discuss them if you’d like me to clarify how I feel, but at the end of the day it’s just a confusion of terms for one of us. Probably for me haha. But even if the terms were ironed out and we found shared definitions, my opinion would remain the same.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Jean-Luc Picard] 2
#28199531 - 02/22/23 04:50 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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But your choice of wording is contradictory.
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Smellyhobbit said: No? I disagree that Christianity is a religion. I think it’s the name you give your faith. I think Catholicism, Baptism, Methodism, and other things are religions practicing Christianity.
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Catholicism, Baptism, Mathodism or however you spell it is the organized religion
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Christianity is an Abrahamic monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.
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Religion -is the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or gods.
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Organized Religion is a belief system that has large numbers of followers and a set of rules that must be followed
By definition, Christianity is a religion.
You appear to make an incorrect statement that Catholicism, Baptism, etc are religions, and then switched to the term organized religion, which I have less problems with. The different major Christian denominations meet the definition of organized religion, all operating under the umbrella of the religion that is Christianity. There is a big difference between religion and organized religion.
I mean no offense here, and im not trying to debate your spiritual experience (because thats an internal experience, who am i to judge?), just trying to shed some light onto why you're having to explain yourself to others and catching some borderline animosity. It's because you're not simply misinterpreting, your definitions of words are fundamentally incorrect, and when you use a combination of words in a certain order to try and explain something that in the real world would be contradictory, you're going to confuse a lot of people and generally get a lot of pushback or even getting called out for not knowing what you're talking about. You need to be careful to distinguish what is truly your inner, personal spiritual experience and what is flat out redefining common words and not telling anyone about it...because the latter doesn't bode well with those less willing to give you the benefit of doubt when discussing things like this.
From prior discussion, I know what you're trying to say, but redefining words on already hard-to-communicate topics is just priming yourself for inadequate communication.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
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That’s all fair. Having shared definitions is important, and I did know I wasn’t communicating myself as well as I should have. It’s a consequence, if I’m being honest, of me not caring about that part of the discussion as much. It leads and has led to confusion, and I apologize for that.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] 1
#28199648 - 02/22/23 06:16 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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You don't have to apologize, I couldn't care less. I was just trying to help you out in getting your point across. 
I do feel like you care a decent amount about being lumped in with other Christians or the actions and interpretations of certain christians being applied to christianity as a whole, especially when the smack-talk starts about Christianity's rocky past and a lot of the bigoted interpretations of the Christian God's word.
If that is the case, it may be good for you to care more about research into the terminology, the history, the different philosophical frameworks under which the Bible has been interpreted in the past, and start to chew on the fact that, as a self-described Christian, you are inevitably tied to the scripture and foundational belief system that all of Christianity has sprung from, and if you're going to defend "christianity" and all of its mishaps and misinterpretation, that you do so from a stance of knowledge on the entire subject, instead of what you feel in your soul. The latter is a purely internal experience (and as I've seen here, it is pretty different from mainstream Christian interpretations), and can't be effectively used to defend christianity in general when stacked against the objective writings and records of christianity as a whole.
Just some food for thought. I'm gonna go to trivia now, have a nice night
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bar trivia? that looks fun, i wana try it
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
#28199653 - 02/22/23 06:20 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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Bar trivia IS fun. Not an unpopular opinion.
You should go.
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