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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #28198864 - 02/22/23 09:39 AM (10 months, 30 days ago)

I think it’s important to be able to coexist with people who have different views. It’s not healthy to sequester yourself from people because you disagree with them


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
    #28198870 - 02/22/23 09:41 AM (10 months, 30 days ago)

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I think it’s important to be able to coexist with people who have different views. It’s not healthy to sequester yourself from people because you disagree with them




Exactly
I love hearing why people feel and believe different. If it is delivered respectfully.
I get to learn and grow as a person from them and their experiences.
I enjoy it. It is the number two reason I am here. Number one-growing shrooms help


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
    #28198872 - 02/22/23 09:42 AM (10 months, 30 days ago)

I agree but if it becomes toxic then it should be just cut out of your life, but observe it from a distance to know if something could happen or some action taken against you. There is no loss to letting things go that are toxic and not good for you and your family/friends. Some people just do not belong in your life no matter how much you'd like them to understand or see things differently. It's a waste of time and energy.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
    #28198875 - 02/22/23 09:43 AM (10 months, 30 days ago)

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I think it’s important to be able to coexist with people who have different views. It’s not healthy to sequester yourself from people because you disagree with them



But coexisting with delusional people invested in mysticism and things that are not measurable or grounded in reality is healthy?


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: trees] * 1
    #28198881 - 02/22/23 09:46 AM (10 months, 30 days ago)

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Smellyhobbit said:
I think it’s important to be able to coexist with people who have different views. It’s not healthy to sequester yourself from people because you disagree with them



But coexisting with delusional people invested in mysticism and things that are not measurable or grounded in reality is healthy?



You coexist with them now. Unless you kill them all or kill yourself, you will always coexist with them.

The problem is, by removing yourself from interaction with them solely on that basis, you remain ignorant to the truth of what they believe and how they behave. You have presuppositions, not facts.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #28198884 - 02/22/23 09:47 AM (10 months, 30 days ago)

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I agree but if it becomes toxic then it should be just cut out of your life, but observe it from a distance to know if something could happen or some action taken against you. There is no loss to letting things go that are toxic and not good for you and your family/friends. Some people just do not belong in your life no matter how much you'd like them to understand or see things differently. It's a waste of time and energy.



I agree with that completely. There’s a difference between tolerating opinions and beliefs and, for example, tolerating a child molester in your community.

But people conflate disagreement with clear and present danger a lot these days.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] * 3
    #28198898 - 02/22/23 09:56 AM (10 months, 30 days ago)

Everyone has a difference of opinion
I think it is about surrounding yourself with people that are respectful.
Then the differences are ok. Because you respect each other.
Places like on here- I leave the thread or ignore them.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: loladoreen] * 2
    #28198912 - 02/22/23 10:03 AM (10 months, 30 days ago)

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Everyone has a difference of opinion
I think it is about surrounding yourself with people that are respectful.
Then the differences are ok. Because you respect each other.
Places like on here- I leave the thread or ignore them.



Bingo. I can get along with people who believe in all sorts of things as long as they’re respectful. The line is broad. You have to willfully cross it to be disrespectful.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 4
    #28198922 - 02/22/23 10:05 AM (10 months, 30 days ago)

Everyone is tense and on edge it seems. I like to debate and argue in here more than irl. Could get shot or punched irl.:sad:

Agreed, loladoreen and smellyhobbit.:thumbup:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28198960 - 02/22/23 10:25 AM (10 months, 30 days ago)

I work at a bar and discussions can get real wild. No one gets violent though. And the next day everything is always fine.

Someone got in a shouting match over mayonnaise last week.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28198973 - 02/22/23 10:33 AM (10 months, 30 days ago)

I was in bars and restaurants for 36 years. I even tended bar in new orleans for a couple years. THAT was an experience I'll never forget. Pre-katrina, back in 2001-2006 I was on the gulf coast from nola to st pete fla.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #28199180 - 02/22/23 01:02 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

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But coexisting with delusional people invested in mysticism and things that are not measurable or grounded in reality is healthy?



The problem is, by removing yourself from interaction with them solely on that basis, you remain ignorant to the truth of what they believe and how they behave. You have presuppositions, not facts.





We remain ignorant to the truth of their flying spaghetti monster god?  I'm not buying that argument.
I was raised Christian.
I understand everything about it.
There is no ignorance involved when you choose to not entertain delusional thoughts/lifestyle choices of your fellow humans that has a direct correlation with causing real physical and mental harm to fellow humans (i.e. abortion and LGBTQ+ rights, to name just two).
It only opens your eyes to more opportunities to progress as a society and person.



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Let's kill them all then and get rid of them
Basically you're saying if someone disagrees with you they're a hazard to society and evolution

I think that mindsight is a hazard to society and evolution




The fact that your response to me starts off with "let's kill them all then" shows a very extreme and short-sighted thought process.  You need to learn how to think/read between the lines better.  I never gave any hints at killing anyone. 

No, I'm not saying "if someone disagrees with you they're a hazard to society and evolution".  Read Jean-Luc Picard's reply to your comment; he took the words right out of my mouth for what I was going to reply to you with.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28199216 - 02/22/23 01:32 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

“Flying spaghetti monster” isn’t an accurate representation of the religion, though. Magic sky daddy, spaghetti monster, soace genie; thats how disingenuous people talk about religion.

As a former Christian you know that’s not what it’s like. As a current Christian I know you know that’s not what it’s like.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
    #28199222 - 02/22/23 01:37 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

No, it is accurate, for all we know.
Apparently, humans die or whatever if they look at God.  We can't handle it.
So for all we know God is a flying spaghetti monster.

Also, don't forget that there are thousands of other Gods that humans believe in.  Hinduism, for example.  Your God and their Gods can't all be real, can they?  Either one of y'all are wrong, or you're both wrong.

There are angels that supposedly have like eight eyes or something, right?  It's not farfetched to think God has several spaghetti arms and meatballs for brains...


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28199252 - 02/22/23 02:01 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

Right but it IS a disingenuous argument. No one believes that or claims it. It’s something done specifically to demean and undermine something you see as personally absurd.

It’s hard to have a discussion with someone who dismisses everything out of hand. I’m not trying to convince you or anyone of the existence of God, but I am here to tell you that, as a Christian, so far everything you’d assume about me from that title is incorrect.

I’m anti religion but pro god. I think a lot of atheists are mostly anti religion too. The actual god part of it is background noise to most arguments.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28199255 - 02/22/23 02:08 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

I just claimed it.
At my family Christmas a couple of months ago my family said a prayer to God, thanking for the food.
Then I said a prayer to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, thanking for the food.
The fact that you think it's demeaning proves you don't support others' beliefs.  You don't think you're the only one right, do you?
Also you didn't respond to my point about your God and the thousands of other Gods.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28199272 - 02/22/23 02:19 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

Im now on  the conclusion that you arent a real Christian, like a lot of cross dressers are not women. I suppose i understood this all along but didnt find the words for it till now. And that explains why i found it so confusing that you keep calling yourself Christian, when youre not actually a real Christian. You, like cross dressers calling themselves women or men when they arent, call yourself a Christian. Perhaps its the same exact neural pathway of desire and commitment as cross dressers wanting to be regarded as a certain gender


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28199273 - 02/22/23 02:19 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

Well to be honest the potential existence of other gods and whether or not I’m right wasn’t what I was discussing. I’m not bothered by the potential that I’m wrong. I’m not bothered by the potential that others are right.

Do you genuinely believe in a Flying Spaghetti Monster? A fictional character who was specifically designed to undermine other beliefs? If you do, I won’t judge you for it, but, again, it’s disingenuous. We both know you don’t. You thank the spaghetti monster at dinner to mock people thanking god, and that is in itself the inability to tolerate that I have a problem with. I have Muslim friends, Buddhist friends, atheist friends, agnostic friends, witch friends, friends who are vaguely spiritual but don’t believe anything specific - but they don’t do anything to disrespect me and I don’t do anything to disrespect them.

On my end, this whole thing is about not intentionally misrepresenting someone in order to justify hating them. I don’t vibe with that. And I think you’re better than that, from my interactions with you.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: trees]
    #28199274 - 02/22/23 02:20 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

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Im now on  the conclusion that you arent a real Christian, like a lot of cross dressers are not women. I suppose i understood this all along but didnt find the words for it till now. And that explains why i found it so confusing that you keep calling yourself Christian, when youre not actually a real Christian. You, like cross dressers calling themselves women or men when they arent, call yourself a Christian



You can have that opinion of me, but it isn’t true.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28199279 - 02/22/23 02:22 PM (10 months, 30 days ago)

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Im now on  the conclusion that you arent a real Christian, like a lot of cross dressers are not women. I suppose i understood this all along but didnt find the words for it till now. And that explains why i found it so confusing that you keep calling yourself Christian, when youre not actually a real Christian. You, like cross dressers calling themselves women or men when they arent, call yourself a Christian



You can have that opinion of me, but it isn’t true.




I think Trees is right.
Smellyhobbit, you just said earlier:

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I’m anti religion but pro god





Christianity is a religion.  You can't be a Christian and be anti-religion.


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