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thetruthsohelp
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
#28197868 - 02/21/23 06:04 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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split_by_nine said: ill pass, thanks. i can think of a hundred things id rather be doing
Well, if thats your estimation of value, fair enough. But you won't nesserily know what the value is of something until you try, espeically in all things spiritual, hence the psychadelic experience. How many people discount shrooms with the same kind of thoguht process?
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: thetruthsohelp]
#28197873 - 02/21/23 06:06 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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thetruthsohelp said: Everyone who has down rated me is a leftarded snowflake.
This statement is part of the reasons why you're downvoted more than likely.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#28197879 - 02/21/23 06:09 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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thetruthsohelp said: Everyone who has down rated me is a leftarded snowflake.
This statement is part of the reasons why you're downvoted more than likely.
By your unhinged rant in my ratings, I think i'm pretty spot on in my estimation.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: thetruthsohelp]
#28197882 - 02/21/23 06:10 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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split_by_nine said: ill pass, thanks. i can think of a hundred things id rather be doing
Well, if thats your estimation of value, fair enough. But you won't nesserily know what the value is of something until you try, espeically in all things spiritual, hence the psychadelic experience. How many people discount shrooms with the same kind of thoguht process?
not sure what it is youre trying to say, but there is nothing learned inside of a church that i couldnt learn outside of a church. im not lost and looking for guidance. im not discrediting church or religion, its just not for me.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: thetruthsohelp]
#28197887 - 02/21/23 06:12 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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It is a bit much,eh? Meh, I had the time to write a detailed response to your post. I'm mostly pretty calm.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
#28197894 - 02/21/23 06:16 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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split_by_nine said: ill pass, thanks. i can think of a hundred things id rather be doing
Well, if thats your estimation of value, fair enough. But you won't nesserily know what the value is of something until you try, espeically in all things spiritual, hence the psychadelic experience. How many people discount shrooms with the same kind of thoguht process?
not sure what it is youre trying to say, but there is nothing learned inside of a church that i couldnt learn outside of a church. im not lost and looking for guidance. im not discrediting church or religion, its just not for me.
I'm saying what I'm saying, people are people, some more spiritual than others and so forth. Its always interesting I think to step outside of our comfort zone as see how other interpret this strange experience of being human. You say you can learn whatever outside rather than inside church, well fair enough, but i think you might be suprised like I have by the depth of some sermons on the question of human nature and the meaning of our existence. Things are not so black and white as the current prevaling consensis that older generational sources of wisdom have nothing to offer. I'm just saying, don't count anything out.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: thetruthsohelp] 3
#28197909 - 02/21/23 06:24 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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yeah, good point. im just not interested in organized religion and i dont want to subject myself to it. i find wisdom and spiritual insight through my own experiences and personal growth.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
#28197912 - 02/21/23 06:26 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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split_by_nine said: yeah, good point. im just not interested in organized religion and i dont want to subject myself to it. i find wisdom and spiritual insight through my own experiences and personal growth.
Fair.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: thetruthsohelp]
#28197918 - 02/21/23 06:30 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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Sounds like you were a fellow jehobee
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: loladoreen]
#28197920 - 02/21/23 06:33 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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loladoreen said: Birth until I moved out at 18. I went to church every sunday, went before school, church activities weekly - a few times a week. I used to know bible verses, I dont anymore. As soon as I was 18.. It was peace out!!!
Mean to reply to this
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: budmanman]
#28197938 - 02/21/23 06:40 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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budmanman said: Sounds like you were a fellow jehobee
Nope, not a cultist bro!
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: budmanman]
#28197971 - 02/21/23 07:01 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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budmanman said: Sounds like you were a fellow jehobee
Mormon
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine] 1
#28197974 - 02/21/23 07:01 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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split_by_nine said: yeah, good point. im just not interested in organized religion and i dont want to subject myself to it. i find wisdom and spiritual insight through my own experiences and personal growth.
I think that is a great way to explore who you are and aspire to be.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: thetruthsohelp] 2
#28198016 - 02/21/23 07:20 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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fiddle_head said: Matter doesn't exist. Just information and probability on a subatomic level. The fact that matter itself behaves differently when measured or observed on an infinitesimally small level enough level is proof enough for me. Random probability where a particle will be in space and time when observed.
Where did all the matter and energy in the universe originate from before big bang. and one before that and one before that.
You can predict patterns in the natural world; physics is a useful tool to understand the laws that govern reality, but true defamiliarization and objectivity is impossible.
Like what the fuck is gravity or light and how does anything exist?
Static path and cause and effect as well as time are illusions caused by entropy and imaginary information transmitted by electrical impulses in your dorsolateral prefrontal right cortex
I have had the same kind of interpretation before, assuming that changes under observation pointed to a random effect at play. Now my interpretation is different though.
I would argue that matter behaves differently when being measured because the instruments being used to measure and observe it affect the way it presents itself, not necessarily because the very act of observation has a dice effect on matter. Things are only probabilistic at the macroscopic level if you cannot understand what is going on at the quantum level, and our ability to understand what is going on at the quantum level is hindered by our inability to measure it with macroscopic tools and techniques.
In either case, I wouldn't say that even if a random probabilistic effect were happening at the quantum level that this would mean stuff like matter were non-existent. Non-existence is really a semantic designation at the end of the day, but in my worldview, there is no reason to assume things which exist in practice don't tangibly exist. If tangibility is an imaginary effect entirely, then something still might be real as a product of imaginary effect either way.
Wow, this is a deepest post ive read on this site. Gonna have to take a while to digest.
Yea, I understood most of it. But Patrick is a smart person. Left me a little dumb lol.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: thetruthsohelp] 1
#28198064 - 02/21/23 07:49 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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thetruthsohelp said: the question of human nature and the meaning of our existence.
It seems likely that we have been pondering this since the first humanlike creature evolved the ability to think, to question itself, navel gaze, and to ponder the age old question, 'why am I here', which presupposes an innate ability or proclivity to attempt to answer those questions, can you have the one without the other?
Without recourse to a library of natural sciences, we would obviously come up with some bullshit or other as explanation, and so religions were evolved as an integral part of what we are as beings, to explain these questions as they came up, with 1000s of years to condense them into belief systems, doctrines, and sermons.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: deucedbi9] 1
#28198094 - 02/21/23 08:03 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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Yeah that sounds about right
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After enlightenment, cut wood carry water
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Enkidu]
#28198124 - 02/21/23 08:12 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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Enkidu said: Yeah that sounds about right
Before enlightenment cut wood carry water
After enlightenment, cut wood carry water
I'm sorry. You seem to have condensed shit a little too far.
Can you enlighten me on what you mean by "enlightenment"?
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: deucedbi9] 1
#28198129 - 02/21/23 08:14 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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Doesn't matter
More so just means before and after you're still here and still must face the day and the direct circumstances of the current moment
You still must meet your needs etc
Internal perception changes and external reality must still be dealt with
We are here now
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#28198192 - 02/21/23 08:37 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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Idk but church is dumb, ive been to a bunch, nobody in the pews knows what the father guy is even talking about, they only know the songs and when to say amen and line up to get hand fed a factory manufactured smooth tasteless cracker and then go home with a renewed sense of "im definitely going to heaven"
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: trees] 2
#28198237 - 02/21/23 09:07 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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Anything that helps make someone a better person should be encouraged
Not for us to judge their process for that
If going to church helps a family be united and have social ties and keep focused on being better then it should be encouraged regardless of if we agree with their belief or view or not
Same for any religion or way of life
If being an atheist is how you reach your maximum potential and how you guide yourself in being the best you can be and helping others etc then right on
There's insane people everywhere regardless of all those affiliations
People say the church isn't welcoming or accepting then someone invites them to come and see what it is because they think maybe they can see or get something similar and the person says no thanks bigot, I've never gone and never will
Thays funny
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