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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: tyrannicalrex] 1
#28134861 - 01/11/23 05:44 AM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: Polls show a majority of ALL americans of color, dems, repubs, and all others did NOT want it overturned, but they're saying fuck you to the masses. How is that OK? How does someone getting an abortion make a difference to the people who are completely set up in life and can afford anything for them and their families? How come if it's a religious issue (which it should NOT be) that god provided the person with the intellect to figure out how to do the abortions not OK? Wouldn't that be a "gods plan" thing? Why do some people try to force their own view of "morality" on people? (no one is trying to force abortions on anyone, just make them available no matter what. Oh wait, then social programs and actually helping people comes into play)
This is extreme religious zealots (and other groups/people) gasping for the last breaths of their dying ideologies that have never turned out well for the whole, only certain groups, and within those groups are the most insidious fucked up pedos and misogynistic hateful pricks to ever breathe. It's an insidious plan to turn back the progress for those with the least voices and that will include lgbtq, and anything else they deem "immoral" or whatever the fuck they want. It's sad and sickening and I'm sure they say the same about abortion and gay rights etc...but they are completely wrong.
If you strongly believe life begins at conception or maybe viability outside the womb then abortion after that point is clearly murder and society as a whole has an interest in preventing the murder of its members. You do not have to be a religous zealot to come to this conclusion.
If you support abortion at any time you are saying that a baby, even if viable outside the womb, is not a human being.
The supreme court is not a venue for change that legislatures fail to enact on behalf of their constitutiants. The supreme court errored in the original roe vs. wade decision and overreached its powers. The latest decision corrected that error and restored the balance of power between the states and the federal government as it is spelled out in the constitution.
People should be angry with their legislaters for failing to clarify in law the point at which life begins and abortion as an option ends which is seemingly in their power but not within their will.
Republicans who argued this was a states issue before the overturn who now suggest a federal ban are among the worst type of hypocrite and are single handedly responsible for killing the red wave in the mid term.
A whole bunch of unpopular opinions^^^
Nothing personal trex hopefully I have given you some perspective
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#28134863 - 01/11/23 05:48 AM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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While I am at it... the people who produce interracial porn and those who seek it are inherently racist. BBC = mandingo fighting
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#28134874 - 01/11/23 06:02 AM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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I hear you. Unfortunately it has been made into a religious issue by the powers that be. If I have a knee jerk reaction (which I am guilty of) it is due to the recent pervasive opinions and laws that are based on "deeply held religious beliefs" etcetera.
https://www.newsweek.com/ruth-bader-ginsburg-roe-wade-abortion-scotus-1702948 "Roe isn't really about the woman's choice, is it?" Ginsburg told the University of Chicago Law School in May 2013. "It's about the doctor's freedom to practice...it wasn't woman-centered, it was physician-centered."
Ginsburg also expressed concerns in the 1992 NYU lecture that the sweeping nature of Roe v. Wade should have originally focused on striking down a Texas law that "intolerably shackled a woman's autonomy" by only allowing abortion to be performed if the mother's life is in danger.
"Suppose the Court had stopped there, rightly declaring unconstitutional the most extreme brand of law in the nation, and had not gone on, as the Court did in Roe, to fashion a regime blanketing the subject, a set of rules that displaced virtually every state law then in force," Ginsburg said.
"Would there have been the twenty-year controversy we have witnessed, reflected most recently in the Supreme Court's splintered decision in Planned Parenthood v. Casey? A less encompassing Roe, one that merely struck down the extreme Texas law and went no further on that day, I believe and will summarize why [it] might have served to reduce rather than to fuel controversy."
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#28134875 - 01/11/23 06:04 AM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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Mandingo, lol! I need to watch that movie.
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pro-lifers are so hung up on the welfare of a unborn fetus that they toss aside the welfare of two other humans, the parents. do their lives not matter at all?
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
#28134919 - 01/11/23 07:01 AM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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split_by_nine said: pro-lifers are so hung up on the welfare of a unborn fetus that they toss aside the welfare of two other humans, the parents. do their lives not matter at all?
No one is ending the parents lives or denying their ability to exist.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Sugabearcrisp] 2
#28134920 - 01/11/23 07:04 AM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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i know more unfit parents than i do decent ones. not everyone is capable of raising a child
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#28134929 - 01/11/23 07:15 AM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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split_by_nine said: pro-lifers are so hung up on the welfare of a unborn fetus that they toss aside the welfare of two other humans, the parents. do their lives not matter at all?
No one is ending the parents lives or denying their ability to exist.
youre denying them their right to choose. its their life and they get to decide what happens to them, not you. plain and simple.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Sugabearcrisp] 1
#28134931 - 01/11/23 07:18 AM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said: If you strongly believe life begins at conception or maybe viability outside the womb then abortion after that point is clearly murder and society as a whole has an interest in preventing the murder of its members. You do not have to be a religous zealot to come to this conclusion.
This assertion may be valid for viability outside the womb (and thus argue for term limits on unrestricted abortion access), but as I've already covered earlier, it is fundamentally irrational (and therefore cannot be argued as a viable concept for codifying into a law for every citizen) for anyone to believe that life begins at conception and categorize all abortion at any stage as baby murder, without having to completely change the way society works, in a way that no society has ever worked before.
Unless someone here can address all of the philosophical inconsistencies brought up in my previous post, and prove that life at conception is actually a global moral argument that should shape societal laws, and not a philosophically incompatible, belief-based set of opinions that should only be allowed to govern an individual's choices on that subject, then we should really stop justifying anybody who holds those beliefs and actively tries to impose them on everyone.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
#28134933 - 01/11/23 07:19 AM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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your mom never scolded you with the classic, "i brought you in to this world, so i have the right to take you out!" line when you were misbehaving?
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
#28134937 - 01/11/23 07:21 AM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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split_by_nine said: your mom never scolded you with the classic, "i brought you in to this world, so i have the right to take you out!" line when you were misbehaving?
My mom never said she had the RIGHT, she just said she was CAPABLE
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
#28134938 - 01/11/23 07:22 AM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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split_by_nine said: pro-lifers are so hung up on the welfare of a unborn fetus that they toss aside the welfare of two other humans, the parents. do their lives not matter at all?
No one is ending the parents lives or denying their ability to exist.
youre denying them their right to choose. its their life and they get to decide what happens to them, not you. plain and simple.
when a human takes a life by any means, the taker of life has presumed to have an authority that has not been granted to them.
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split_by_nine said: pro-lifers are so hung up on the welfare of a unborn fetus that they toss aside the welfare of two other humans, the parents. do their lives not matter at all?
No one is ending the parents lives or denying their ability to exist.
youre denying them their right to choose. its their life and they get to decide what happens to them, not you. plain and simple.
when a human takes a life by any means, the taker of life has presumed to have an authority that has not been granted to them.
So what about the thousands of human stem cells you kill when you urinate? Were we never granted the authority to take a piss?
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larry.fisherman said: You're talking about "sin" but the idea behind sin is the freedom to choose for yourself. You're making up your mind for another sovereign individual. What you feel shouldn't matter. If you abort a kid because you're lazy and irresponsible you're a piece of shit.
Nobody is aborting kids. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kid https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abortion
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
#28135001 - 01/11/23 08:21 AM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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split_by_nine said: pro-lifers are so hung up on the welfare of a unborn fetus that they toss aside the welfare of two other humans, the parents. do their lives not matter at all?
No one is ending the parents lives or denying their ability to exist.
youre denying them their right to choose. its their life and they get to decide what happens to them, not you. plain and simple.
They chose to have sex. They chose not to use protection. They chose not to take care of the unwanted pregnancy during an appropriate time (plan b). In my personal opinion they had the choice to take care of it right up until viability at which point they chose to keep it by failing to take action otherwise.
Not doing something is a choice too.
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Sugabearcrisp said: If you strongly believe life begins at conception or maybe viability outside the womb then abortion after that point is clearly murder and society as a whole has an interest in preventing the murder of its members. You do not have to be a religous zealot to come to this conclusion.
This assertion may be valid for viability outside the womb (and thus argue for term limits on unrestricted abortion access), but as I've already covered earlier, it is fundamentally irrational (and therefore cannot be argued as a viable concept for codifying into a law for every citizen) for anyone to believe that life begins at conception and categorize all abortion at any stage as baby murder, without having to completely change the way society works, in a way that no society has ever worked before.
Unless someone here can address all of the philosophical inconsistencies brought up in my previous post, and prove that life at conception is actually a global moral argument that should shape societal laws, and not a philosophically incompatible, belief-based set of opinions that should only be allowed to govern an individual's choices on that subject, then we should really stop justifying anybody who holds those beliefs and actively tries to impose them on everyone. 
The point of viability continues to grow closer to the point of conception, eventually they will be one in the same. At that point it stops being fundamentally irrational as you say and life begins at conception.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Sugabearcrisp] 4
#28135018 - 01/11/23 08:37 AM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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Unpopular opinion: if we want an abortion we'r gonna fucking get one without a smidge of consideration for all you high horse muthafuckin losers. Ill be here lauhing at your crybaby emotional anti-abortion rants while waiting for the abortion to be complete
 
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#28135021 - 01/11/23 08:39 AM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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People change their minds. Circumstances change. People are bad at planning and implementing. What sounds good on theory, is often hard to implement in real life.
Just because something is theoretically viable outside the womb... It is still dependant on the mother's body to survive. How would one get it out? Surgery or induced labor? Could nothing go wrong between the point it becomes viable and the actual date of delivery? It doesn't seem that cut and dry to me.
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"The point of viability continues to grow closer to the point of conception, eventually they will be one in the same. At that point it stops being fundamentally irrational as you say and life begins at conception."
Conception is when the egg is fertilized. Your first sentence makes me think you think it happens at the end of pregnancy. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/11585-conception
No one is arguing that the fertilized egg is alive. I think the question is more when is it a person.
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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
#28135049 - 01/11/23 09:07 AM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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Unpopular Opinion: the AK-47 should be people’s first rifle. Nothing I’ve ever handled is as reliable or easy to shoot.
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