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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #28131502 - 01/08/23 09:48 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

In less than 200 years we will likely look at abortion the same way we look at leeches and blood letting. We’ll have contraception locked down tight enough that the idea of performing or receiving an abortion will make people’s skin crawl with discomfort.

Abortions aren’t good. I feel like that’s lost in conversation much of the time. It’s not a desirable thing. If you’re getting one, something went wrong somewhere. We should strive to not need them tomorrow no matter how you feel about accessibility today.

History may be understanding of it, but it won’t look back favorably. That should be something that makes you think about what we’re doing today.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine] * 1
    #28131507 - 01/08/23 09:52 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

We (America) can afford to immediately enact socialism.

I define socialism as: providing MATERIAL needs to everyone free of charge.

Do you know how cheap it would be to provide meals to every single american free of charge? It would be less than .1% of the top billonaire's net worth. The money instead will be spent on pools and drugs.

We let people starve because we can, even though we have more than enough resources to feed everyone.

We also have more than enough resources to house everyone, but we don't.

Sometimes farmers burn entire crops of corn, enough to feed thousands, for the sake of more subsidies.

There is a number of corn we grow that is just subsidized, ie the taxes pay for it. If we gave it to the poor they might not starve.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
    #28131508 - 01/08/23 09:52 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

to me, an abortion is no different from removing a tumor. its a medical procedure, nothing more and nothing less.

the ideal choice is to not get pregnant, but it happens.


the ideal choice is to not get cancer, but it happens.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Purple sunset]
    #28131509 - 01/08/23 09:52 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

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This is quite the unpopular opinion.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28131511 - 01/08/23 09:53 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

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In less than 200 years we will likely look at abortion the same way we look at leeches and blood letting. We’ll have contraception locked down tight enough that the idea of performing or receiving an abortion will make people’s skin crawl with discomfort.

Abortions aren’t good. I feel like that’s lost in conversation much of the time. It’s not a desirable thing. If you’re getting one, something went wrong somewhere. We should strive to not need them tomorrow no matter how you feel about accessibility today.

History may be understanding of it, but it won’t look back favorably. That should be something that makes you think about what we’re doing today.




Rape will still be a thing in 200 years so abortion will still need to be a thing. Yes it isn't good. Better than letting a rapist continue their degenerate DNA.

A fetus is a clump of cells. It's not even as large as a petri dish first 8 weeks.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
    #28131510 - 01/08/23 09:53 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

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to me, an abortion is no different from removing a tumor. its a medical procedure, nothing more and nothing less.

the ideal choice is to not get pregnant, but it happens.


the ideal choice is to not get cancer, but it happens.



Then you and Enkidu weren’t even having the same conversation.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28131513 - 01/08/23 09:54 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

In 200 years most people will be conceived in test tubes. :lookoverthere:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28131515 - 01/08/23 09:55 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

obviously. a sperm entering an egg is a huge deal for him. its not a big deal to me.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28131516 - 01/08/23 09:56 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

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Smellyhobbit said:
In less than 200 years we will likely look at abortion the same way we look at leeches and blood letting. We’ll have contraception locked down tight enough that the idea of performing or receiving an abortion will make people’s skin crawl with discomfort.

Abortions aren’t good. I feel like that’s lost in conversation much of the time. It’s not a desirable thing. If you’re getting one, something went wrong somewhere. We should strive to not need them tomorrow no matter how you feel about accessibility today.

History may be understanding of it, but it won’t look back favorably. That should be something that makes you think about what we’re doing today.




Rape will still be a thing in 200 years so abortion will still need to be a thing. Yes it isn't good. Better than letting a rapist continue their degenerate DNA.

A fetus is a clump of cells. It's not even as large as a petri dish first 8 weeks.



Rape isn’t relevant. In 200 years your average man and woman will likely have total control of whether or not they’re body is allowed to procreate. 200 years now isn’t the same 200 years of the past. We are accelerating at speeds never before experiencing in human history. No one has any idea what 200 years from now will look like, so obviously I’m speculating, but I think it’s a pretty safe assumption .


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: PatrickKn]
    #28131518 - 01/08/23 09:57 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

It just seems so wrong to me

Like I picture my kids coming from that then imagining them not being here

So I just can't understand it


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
    #28131520 - 01/08/23 09:59 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

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obviously. a sperm entering an egg is a huge deal for him. its not a big deal to me.



Yeah that’s the bottleneck of the discussion. If a fetus doesn’t have the same value as a born human than carefully removing it and dissolving it alive in acid is just as acceptable as a standard termination. And you might feel that way - I’m not making any judgment as my personal feelings are less black and white - but if he thinks it’s a person and not just tissue then his stance doesn’t just become understandable, it becomes the only correct thing to do :shrug:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28131522 - 01/08/23 10:00 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

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Rape will still be a thing in 200 years so abortion will still need to be a thing. Yes it isn't good. Better than letting a rapist continue their degenerate DNA.

A fetus is a clump of cells. It's not even as large as a petri dish first 8 weeks.



Rape isn’t relevant. In 200 years your average man and woman will likely have total control of whether or not they’re body is allowed to procreate. 200 years now isn’t the same 200 years of the past. We are accelerating at speeds never before experiencing in human history. No one has any idea what 200 years from now will look like, so obviously I’m speculating, but I think it’s a pretty safe assumption .




So you're saying that after a rape a woman can just shut off the conception. That sounds like abortion by another name. The catholic church for example says plan b is an abortion because it might kill a living embryo. This seems like an example of that. You're just talking about a more efficient/quicker method of abortion.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Enkidu]
    #28131523 - 01/08/23 10:00 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

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It just seems so wrong to me

Like I picture my kids coming from that then imagining them not being here

So I just can't understand it




not every grape thrives. some will die on the vine. it doesnt change anything

life is bigger and broader than our measly human existence


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
    #28131526 - 01/08/23 10:01 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

I wonder if having kids makes you less likely to support abortion or not
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Enkidu said:
It just seems so wrong to me

Like I picture my kids coming from that then imagining them not being here

So I just can't understand it




not every grape thrives. some will die on the vine. it doesnt change anything

life is bigger and broader than our measly human existence




Maybe split, just maybe, you make a small bit of a point. Maybe..


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28131527 - 01/08/23 10:02 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

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obviously. a sperm entering an egg is a huge deal for him. its not a big deal to me.



Yeah that’s the bottleneck of the discussion. If a fetus doesn’t have the same value as a born human than carefully removing it and dissolving it alive in acid is just as acceptable as a standard termination. And you might feel that way - I’m not making any judgment as my personal feelings are less black and white - but if he thinks it’s a person and not just tissue then his stance doesn’t just become understandable, it becomes the only correct thing to do :shrug:




we are all molecules like everything else in our universe.

the human condition placed this crown atop our heads. we're not special bro, just here and now and it feels important.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
    #28131529 - 01/08/23 10:03 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

It is important


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28131530 - 01/08/23 10:03 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

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Rape will still be a thing in 200 years so abortion will still need to be a thing. Yes it isn't good. Better than letting a rapist continue their degenerate DNA.

A fetus is a clump of cells. It's not even as large as a petri dish first 8 weeks.



Rape isn’t relevant. In 200 years your average man and woman will likely have total control of whether or not they’re body is allowed to procreate. 200 years now isn’t the same 200 years of the past. We are accelerating at speeds never before experiencing in human history. No one has any idea what 200 years from now will look like, so obviously I’m speculating, but I think it’s a pretty safe assumption .




So you're saying that after a rape a woman can just shut off the conception. That sounds like abortion by another name. The catholic church for example says plan b is an abortion because it might kill a living embryo. This seems like an example of that. You're just talking about a more efficient/quicker method of abortion.



Contraception isn’t abortion by default, no.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Enkidu]
    #28131533 - 01/08/23 10:05 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

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It is important




does the sun or moon think you are important? do the birds that fly above your home think you are important? life happens whether you think its important or not. you are setting limits by thinking otherwise


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine]
    #28131534 - 01/08/23 10:06 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

I feel like you're setting limits by thinking it isnt


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: split_by_nine] * 1
    #28131535 - 01/08/23 10:07 PM (1 year, 20 days ago)

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split_by_nine said:
obviously. a sperm entering an egg is a huge deal for him. its not a big deal to me.



Yeah that’s the bottleneck of the discussion. If a fetus doesn’t have the same value as a born human than carefully removing it and dissolving it alive in acid is just as acceptable as a standard termination. And you might feel that way - I’m not making any judgment as my personal feelings are less black and white - but if he thinks it’s a person and not just tissue then his stance doesn’t just become understandable, it becomes the only correct thing to do :shrug:




we are all molecules like everything else in our universe.

the human condition placed this crown atop our heads. we're not special bro, just here and now and it feels important.



I don’t know if I agree with that, but it comes with its own comfort. My preferred non-religious theory is that we’re not individuals, but a conglomerate. Like mankind is one organism struggling to coalesce, struggling to achieve cohesive swarm modality but likely ultimately failing. Too much programmed cell death. Too much competition.

But I know that I love you and believe your point of view comes primarily from compassion and the genuine desire to produce good.


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