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My tips for making a san pedro tea 2
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I am still on my quest to find the best method to consume san pedro but yesterday I made a tea because I needed a proved working method.
so my most important tip is DO NOT add lemon juice (or vinegar) to the tea. I know it is supposed to help the extraction of the alkaloids but I didn't find any potency difference without adding it and the taste was much much much much better without lemon. (like 10X times better than with lemon).
tip number 2 is it is fine to boil it on high heat. it makes the process much faster,the final reduction was super fast, and I even think that high heat extract alkaloids better. (even here i didn't notice any potency lose compared to last time I made a tea with low heat)
tip number 3 is save your time,you dont need to peel the skin off. I found this to be the most time consuming and it just doesnt worth it because in the end you will strain the junk,sediments,impurities anyway.
so here is what I did: 1. I always cut my piece few weeks in advance and let the cutting rest for few days in the sun and then inside the house in a dark cold place. (this curing process will probably increase the alkaloids contents. + I belive that 2 weeks is enough but more is probably better {2 month for me})
2. i cut my piece to about 15 CM sections so I can cut away from the core. just take a knife and cut the cactus to stripes (waxy skin,green and white flesh) away from the woody core and discard the core away.
3. I freeze the stripes (with the skin) only once (its enough) for one night and thaw it in the morning of the day I want to make the tea (few days before I want to consume it).
4. place the thawed stripes with same amount of water in blender and puree it.
5. pour the "cactus shake" in a pot and boil it for 1.5-2 hours. start with medium heat for 20 mins and the rest with high heat.(add water if needed so it wont get dry and burned)
6. let it cool a little and pour it through a strainer and then add the solids back with same amount of water and boil again for 1.5 hours. (trust me, 2 pulls of 1.5 hours of high heat is really enough)
7. strain again,discard the soilds away (i fertilize my cactus garden with it),mix the liquid of the 2 pulls together and put in the refrigerator for 1 to 2 days.
8.now the sediments should be in the bottom of the container of your tea. carefully pour the tea to another container,even use a turkey blaster to get all the tea and throw the sediments away. (its fine if some tea water remain on the solids because its better to completely get rid of the sediments than collecting all the tea). the tea is now free of most of the sediments but still not crystal clear. (put in freezer untill 1 day before consumption)
9.now one day before consumption, pour the tea to a pot again and reduce it to manageable amount (I reduce to about 70-100 ml per dose). its fine to use high heat to speed to process. the most important part of this stage is to carefully clean all the white-green foam the will form on the surface of the tea while its being reduced. this is the last of the impurities that remained in the tea. this junky foam probably tastes bad and may cause more nausea.
you will end up with a crystal clear amber-dark brown colored tea. it doesnt taste that bad. just pour a little in a glass, drink it fast like a strong alcohol beverage and immediately bite on a slice of fresh lemon to make the taste away.
this method worked really really good with best results ever. not time consuming, taste not that bad,didnt cause bad nausea/headaches and most importantly it was really potent.
this plant is the real deal. san pedro is so good. for healing and for everything. its fun. you can just cuddle in the sofa/bed with a blanket or just lay in the beach absorbing the sun and have the best time ever. its even healing because it gives you inner peace and clarity with a positive and euphoric tone to it. just do it. trust me its the best. even the visuals are nice, everything is shiny and bright and morphing and breathing and not overwhelming.
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: golmo] 1
#27122523 - 01/02/21 05:51 PM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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Great write-up! I will have to try out this process sometime 
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
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Yes, agreed, thank you for this!
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: Niffla] 1
#27123048 - 01/03/21 01:17 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Thanks for sharing your process so just a few questions.. how much cacti did you start with?? ..Ive seen a lot of different amounts.. you said you cut 15 CM sections but didn't say how much the total size piece was... so your total time involvement is 2 month two plus days and 5 hrs cooking time... and why strain and then add back the stuff you strain and cook more don't understand that... I've never tried cactus so what would you advise for a first time (er)
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: Blackrainbow2] 1
#27123166 - 01/03/21 03:27 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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i have a PC pedro (which is a little weaker than other clones) thats why i let it rest in the dark for that long and thats why i use long cuttings. i found out that about 60 cm long cuttings is about 1 medium dose. this time i used 2 cuttings of about 80 cm long and a little remains from last time which ended up to be about 3-4 decent doses. and i boil it twice because in the second time you add new water which are clean and have more room for more alkaloids to be transfered from the cactus solids to the water. there are probably more alks remain in the solids after the 2 nd time but the most is out and 3 rd boil isnt necessary. for a first time i would sayuse a Bridgesii clone lets say 60 cm long (decent thick) use the process i used (Bridgesii has long spines so becareful) and drink half the total end amount.
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: golmo]
#27124092 - 01/03/21 02:34 PM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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why do you purée it when you’re just making a tea? I have never understood why anyone does this.
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i am sure it helps with the extraction. it breaks the cells even more and increase the surface area with the water. freezing+blending=easier extraction->less time cooking/better results
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: golmo]
#27124365 - 01/03/21 05:18 PM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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I just dried it, lifted my skirt and grabbed my balls. Then I ate about 4oz dry. You will puke if you eat meat, but you'll be flying high AF.
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: MycoBrainz]
#27124900 - 01/03/21 10:32 PM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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thanks for the info I can see where your coming from with breaking it down so the water can draw out more stuff..
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: Blackrainbow2]
#27125326 - 01/04/21 05:56 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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I’ve gotten 2 feet down to a shot glass portion before was slimy thick and gross but it was amazing I mixed it with peanut butter that was hell don’t do it but I always peeled the skin and horns I peeled them relatively fast but I never did this with dry cacti just fresh blue specimens decored them blended and boiled down until it was a suitable amount and then well bottoms up cheers my friends safe travels
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: golmo] 1
#27125457 - 01/04/21 07:25 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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golmo said: i am sure it helps with the extraction. it breaks the cells even more and increase the surface area with the water. freezing+blending=easier extraction->less time cooking/better results
any time you save with cooking you lose with straining/filtering. also freezing steps are time sinks. I just find it unnecessary, time consuming, and difficult. you can do all of it from whole cactus to 1 shot/1 dose tea in about 5-6 hours or less.
I am very skeptical that freezing/thawing or blending produces a tea even slightly more potent than a method done without those steps.
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You are right, freezing and thawing doesn't do anything but wasting time.
Blending.. maybe it reduces the boiling time a bit, but as you said, filtering the blended sludge is a pain in the ass.
I simply chop my cacti into small pieces of an inch or so (usually with skin and core and spines and everything), then I filter them out with a colander after boiling for several hours. Let stand overnight to let the small particles settle down, then carefully decant. 
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: Pandemoon]
#27125560 - 01/04/21 08:29 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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it’s so easy, it doesn’t ever have to be harder than that.
I do think getting caught up in these complicated, time wasting methods sometimes is just part of learning how to make sp though.
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well putting in the freezer doesnt really consume time...I prepare the cactus few days before consumption anyway.and filtering it doesnt waste time as well.. i just pour the tea through a strainer and just squeeze the solids more to get the water out. takes 1 minute. i believe it worth doing it because it MAY benefit and even if it is only MAY, it doesnt make it worse so it WIN-or NO LOSE so why not
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: golmo]
#27125610 - 01/04/21 08:58 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Thnaks for writing this, I'll test it next summer sometime...
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: golmo] 1
#27125710 - 01/04/21 09:55 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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golmo said: well putting in the freezer doesnt really consume time...I prepare the cactus few days before consumption anyway.and filtering it doesnt waste time as well.. i just pour the tea through a strainer and just squeeze the solids more to get the water out. takes 1 minute. i believe it worth doing it because it MAY benefit and even if it is only MAY, it doesnt make it worse so it WIN-or NO LOSE so why not
I didn’t mean to shit on your method, sorry. if you have something that works consistently and doesn’t cause you any problems then it’s a great method.
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thanks..haha lol I was not offended...I just wanted to share something I do that doesnt really take so much effort and probably even makes the tea better
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: golmo]
#27147750 - 01/14/21 01:14 PM (3 years, 14 days ago) |
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is slime a “must” when making the brew? first time. cut around core...chopped...blended...cooked on stove for 3 hours..crockpot 6 hours....added water once. 5 12in pieces. no slime.
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: digging2020] 1
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Cactus flesh is slimey. Bridgesii more so than pachanoi or peruvianus. The brew, once boiled for some hours, is no longer slimey. If you reduce it down to a cup worth of liquid it gets a snotty, sirup like consistency.
But in general it's just a dark green, almost black, liquid.
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: Pandemoon]
#27149984 - 01/15/21 03:50 PM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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I never used fresh but whenever using dried I only used finely powdered material. Now I'm thinking, instead of trying to powderize hard dried skins, dehydrate them and run them through a blender? Will this step make it terribly difficult to strain that?
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: Dr. Delban]
#27150264 - 01/15/21 06:15 PM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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I think any kind of blending or freezing step makes it too difficult to strain.
i’ve heard of different clever ways to get the juice back easily, but I never figured out any - and I found boiling the chunks without blending works just fine.
for pre dried cactus idk... i’d probably do a tar type thing where you evap the filtered solvent and scrape up the mess
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straining isnt that hard. let the tea (with all the junk) in the fridge for 1 night and than carefully pour the liquid without the sediments. you can clean it further while reducing it-in this step,the remaining junk will come to the surface as a foam which you can easily spoon away.
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: golmo]
#27153056 - 01/17/21 09:28 AM (3 years, 11 days ago) |
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I suggest when leaving it for for the night to settle, use a tall but narrow container to decrease the surface area. This will make it easier to separate the layers.
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: Dr. Delban]
#27155736 - 01/18/21 03:37 PM (3 years, 10 days ago) |
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By the way, one thing that can be done to help with absorption is not only to make sure that your gut is empty, but also dehydrate it slightly. Don't drink any water or liquids for a good few hours before drinking cactea. This way your guts will absorb cactea rapidly. It minimizes the risk of throwing up and the general gastric challenges.
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: Dr. Delban]
#27156796 - 01/19/21 05:44 AM (3 years, 9 days ago) |
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are you sure? i think that drinking is important with san pedro because of all the changes in minerals,salts and kidney function (Phenethylamine effects i believe). I believe that you should properly hydrate yourself few hours before drinking and maybe stop drinking 1-2 hours before but not more than that. and drink sports water after puking aswell.
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: golmo]
#27157482 - 01/19/21 01:10 PM (3 years, 9 days ago) |
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You say 1-2 hours, I would say 3-4 hours (just have tiny sips of water to keep your mouth moist). Your concept is similar to mine anyway. It all depends on the weather. This wouldn't be wise to do in a heatwave. You ned to be aware of what is going on in your gut. Once you've had the cactea, then drink water or whatever you want. Personally, I always make a BIG batch of fresh juice before the trip and drink that (apple, ginger and lime; carrot and celeriac)
Instead of sports water I would rinse the puke (acids) with some milk first (to normalize pH), then use electrolytes (ones for diarrhoea).
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#27157616 - 01/19/21 02:35 PM (3 years, 9 days ago) |
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nice! i think that next time i will drink coconut water after the tea
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: golmo]
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Yes good choice.
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: Dr. Delban]
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
#27412858 - 08/03/21 09:53 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Freezing and thawing are too easy to be skipped over unless you’re in a hurry. I have a deep freeze so I just throw 1/8” stars in the boil pot and freeze/thaw thrice before boiling. I’m skipping the blending until pull #3 so the first 2 pulls strain easily. Great thread.
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: Great1]
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No, freezing and thawing doesn't do anything but wasting time and effort. It's useless and gives also room for mistakes and loss of actives. Freezing and thawing in a pot is good, though. No thawing water is lost this way. But still .. not necessary.
Just boil the chopped plant. Or eat it raw, that's the best anyway. 
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: Pandemoon]
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yea i meant thawing in the pot. you are right, freezing is not mandatory. i dont freeze it today actually. and i am against eating it raw. i dont think that cactus solids should be digested.
in my last experiment i tried without even blending it but it was much weaker. i recommend to blend it
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: digging2020]
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digging2020 said: is slime a “must” when making the brew? first time. cut around core...chopped...blended...cooked on stove for 3 hours..crockpot 6 hours....added water once. 5 12in pieces. no slime.
No, the secret to avoiding slime is to dry the cactus before making your tea. No slime.
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: SpacedX]
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Great thread. I think mescaline has great potential for psychedelic therapy because it has some of the same healing properties as MDMA while being safer (although not as much fun).
I am a believer in just freezing, thawing and then drink the resulting juice. It seems a lot simpler than all the boiling and processing.
I tried to blend the dark green layer one time. I couldn't extract anything after that so I just maned up and drank the milkshake.
Don't be afraid of the purge, you will avoid future intestine distress as you got rid of the cactus and vomiting is a emotional release when on psychedelics. Purging is also often the start of the trip.
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: SpacedX]
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i tried many times to just freeze+thaw and drink the result juice with no good results.
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: golmo]
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In that first step, where you store in a cold dark place, would a refrigerator be ok? Or just a different place in the house that's cool and dark?
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: Spore Gasm]
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no fridge. it doesnt really have to be that cold. just room temp and dark. (and dry...)
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Re: My tips for making a san pedro tea [Re: golmo]
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Where did You get the idea that alkaloids may increase after You have took the cutting?
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there are many resources that claim the alkaloids increase when it is stressed. after you cut it its still alive but now it has no roots so it is stressed and by time create more alkaloids
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