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Attempted cactus ID?
    #27120990 - 01/01/21 07:16 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

So I've had this cactus for a long time, got the mother as a cutting in a print trade labeled "trichocereus" and that's it.  All of these are from the same cactus, obviously the one with base pups is the oldest, just curious if any knowledgable people can tell me what variety this looks like specificcally.

Mother

Top stock I chopped after etiolated winter

This year's pup off the top of mother

Let me know if you need more details.


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Re: Attempted cactus ID? [Re: RaRaRasputin] * 1
    #27121015 - 01/01/21 07:35 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

They're a little etiolated but they remind me of PC pachanoi.

The spines look right and the the way the internodes 'step' indicates this too.


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Re: Attempted cactus ID? [Re: karode13]
    #27121024 - 01/01/21 07:40 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

Aw dance, I was hoping non PC but the short spines were always a feeling in my gut is was PC.


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Re: Attempted cactus ID? [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27121042 - 01/01/21 07:57 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

They're still a nice cactus to have. Great for grafting seedlings to.


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Re: Attempted cactus ID? [Re: karode13]
    #27121070 - 01/01/21 08:12 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

I guess :dying:


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Re: Attempted cactus ID? [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27121093 - 01/01/21 08:25 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

Spines and 6 ribs make me think Scopulicola, but could easily be a Pedro or more likely a hybrid.


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Re: Attempted cactus ID? [Re: Tripliping]
    #27121117 - 01/01/21 08:39 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

I don't know which one I'll chop up but I'm kinda hoping it's active.
I've read scops can be a power house on you know what but I'm more interested in if it could be an active variety or not


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Re: Attempted cactus ID? [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27121128 - 01/01/21 08:48 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

If it is a scop, and to me the 6 ribs, the thickness of the ribs, the spines and squareness of the mother plant makes me think it might be, then the activeness would be there but minimal about a 5th of a good san pedro is my understanding. However they do grow well and fast and make excellent root stock, excellent root stock. One of the best scops to use as root stock is called a 'super pedro' they grow very well and are active (though not as much as a pedro).


Where I am from there's not much in the way of PC varieties but I understand in other parts of the world this can be frustrating when given or finding pedros.

There's a guy in Europe that collects the purest and best growing strains of pedro and hand pollinates and breeds them. He has an online shop for seeds. Message me and I can send you his website if interested. He ships all over the world.


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Re: Attempted cactus ID? [Re: Tripliping]
    #27121313 - 01/01/21 11:22 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

The mother's spines are like that due to neglect of shipping and first time growers stupidity. Her base pups are a better representation of the healthy phenotypes, or her other pups.


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    #27121328 - 01/01/21 11:28 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

It looks nothing like a scopulicola.

Look at the profile for starters. It's stepped at the areoles. No scopulicola looks like that.

Rib count doesn't mean much at this stage. They're etiolated and still young plants. In full sun and good conditions the ribs will shift and more will appear.

Check these classic examples out for comparison.

T. scopulicola









T.pachanoi PC




SUPER PEDRO



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Re: Attempted cactus ID? [Re: karode13]
    #27121362 - 01/01/21 11:53 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

The mother plant looks very much like the Scopulicolas that are sold by cultivators in my country anyway. Admittedly I believe the ones sold by nurseries in my country are hybrids of T. pachanoi and T. Scopulicola.

However, I am not claiming to be an expert by any means and I've seen many of karode13's post he is a very knowledgeable member.


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    #27121727 - 01/02/21 08:57 AM (3 years, 26 days ago)

It is definitely not a scop. It's a pachanoi and looks like a PC. But, there's always some chance that it's not a PC.


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Re: Attempted cactus ID? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #27121731 - 01/02/21 09:02 AM (3 years, 26 days ago)

I mean the first pup I cut is urging for sunlight and had a couple black specs. If I chopped it right now and put it in a drawer for a couple weeks, that would be the perfect conditions to know if it's PC or not.  Off of calculations, if I just consumed I wouldn't feel it at best but I could always get my litmus paper out and see if I could get something measurable out of it.


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Re: Attempted cactus ID? [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27121734 - 01/02/21 09:04 AM (3 years, 26 days ago)

Than again if it's not PC and just looks like it, just straight up consumption would be crazy shit. Also I don't know the maoi flavanoids that pachs  are notorious for being the main contributers if extracted for weight comparison.


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Re: Attempted cactus ID? [Re: RaRaRasputin] * 1
    #27121765 - 01/02/21 09:49 AM (3 years, 26 days ago)

Owning a PC is not a bad thing.  If nothing else, it's a beautiful cactus.

As an entheogen, you just need more material than the standard "foot." I don't know why that is a standard anyway. IME, 16" - 2 feet is what it usually takes for me. Everyone's different, I suppose. :shrug:

Edit: Also, you can start low and work your way up to get a feel for the cactus.


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Re: Attempted cactus ID? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #27121824 - 01/02/21 10:43 AM (3 years, 26 days ago)

There's slot of factors, stressing a cactus out can affect alkaloid content up to %20 in some species. There's other factors too like what food you've eaten that day, supliments taken before consumption, even the consumption it's self weather oral, sublingual, exhalation.

I have troubles seeing the difference in PC and non, I would just go off of a label. I've looked at PC and non PC side by side and they look almost identical if they are short spine non PC.


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Re: Attempted cactus ID? [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27121861 - 01/02/21 11:09 AM (3 years, 26 days ago)

I'm wanting to chop the guy in the second set of pictures down, it's been growing on 2 years, you any opinions if that's old enough to chop or should I wait another year or more?


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Re: Attempted cactus ID? [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27121866 - 01/02/21 11:17 AM (3 years, 26 days ago)

By all means, go for it!  It will give you a reference point for that clone.


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    #27121901 - 01/02/21 11:41 AM (3 years, 26 days ago)

Cool, it's only 6" at ~1.5" dia so if I feel anything at all, that would mean it has to be worth since it should be nothing at best. I'll drop a link in a few weeks when it's ready that leads to the experiences forum.


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