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Outdoor varieties to break down giant piles of wood chips?
    #27120805 - 01/01/21 05:23 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Edit:  I changed this subject line because I am specifically asking in regards to outdoor and non-sterile growing.  I posted this elsewhere but was told I’d have better luck asking here.

When growing actives we go through such painstaking lengths to be sterile for success.  I'm curious why other varieties of mushrooms seem to not have this issue.  Edit: I have been corrected by gourmet growers who argue cubes are easier to grow than gourmets. My apologies. I have zero experience with gourmets but have heard of others growing varieties outdoor and in non-sterile environments. I am unfamiliar with which varieties can be grown in these conditions.  What makes those varieties grow so easily compared to others?

For instance, to create a large patch of Morel mushrooms you simply make a spore slurry:

A spore slurry is simply a solution of water, some salt, a form of sugar, and spores. The spores are suspended in the water and used to inoculate an outdoor habitat...

There are plenty of videos online showing this technique.  And there are many other varieties of gourmet mushrooms that seem to grow fine in very unsterile environments.

In addition, this search is because I would like to inoculate my compost piles to aid their decomposition process.  I have plenty of spore prints from Cubes.  Should I use them or is it better to go with Winecap or another gourmet variety?  (any suggestions on varieties for softwood chips?)

Varieties I’ve been considering are: winecap, morels, king stropharia, or hemlock reishi — although i know nothing about them other than they may be good for soil. I could also use cubes. I could make a spore slurry or inoculate grain bags to then disperse into my softwood chips. My main goal is to break down these wood chips.

Thanks


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Re: Why do Cubes need to be babied in comparison to gourmets? [Re: rashomon]
    #27120902 - 01/01/21 06:25 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

i think cubes are way easier to grow than gourmet. They grow in a self contained fruiting chamber (monotub) and the sterile procedures are exactly the same. in fact the sterility is shorter growing cubensis because you normally pasteurize the sub. and for some people they only add cold water to coir. cant get any easier than that.

I find it kinda funny that you cite growing morels as evidence that gourmets are easier to grow than cubes. Yeah its really easy to splash a spore slurry around but the chance of morels fruiting is very low.


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Re: Why do Cubes need to be babied in comparison to gourmets? [Re: deadmandave]
    #27121073 - 01/01/21 08:13 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

:whathesaid:
In my experience, definitely cubes are waaaay more easier to grow than edibles/medicinals as there is tons of more info and teks online there. And also because if you do wanna do it correctly they need other huge factors to be controlled such as air circulation and controlled humidity compared to cubes, which you can get away without these and get good results anyway.
I mean, you can easily throw some mix in a tupperware and get a good cubes canopy in your living room without much effort, but not so much with oysters/reishi/lion's mane (and others).


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Re: Why do Cubes need to be babied in comparison to gourmets? [Re: gabbk]
    #27121687 - 01/02/21 08:16 AM (3 years, 26 days ago)

Maybe I should have mentioned I have zero experience growing gourmets. But watching videos online growing oysters in buckets (with only pasteurization), morels using slurries, and such I assumed they didn’t require as much care. And yes, the morel slurry works according to the google. 

I understand gourmet growers here are probably growing indoors and under more sterile conditions.  My apologies if this appears as an attack on your techniques..?  Since I am specifically wanting to break down giant piles of wood chips I was hoping for feedback regarding these less sterile. conditions.

Is there a forum for outdoor growing?


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Re: Why do Cubes need to be babied in comparison to gourmets? [Re: rashomon]
    #27121992 - 01/02/21 12:29 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

Apologies if I was too short with my response. The morel bit got me :lol: you are in the right place for outdoor growing.

You can grow tons of oysters with only pasteurization but thats also true of cubensis. You can spray spore slurry from cubensis on horse shit and have better results than anything you try with morels.

Morels are notoriously one of the more difficult mushrooms to cultivate. For every successful youtube how many failures do you believe exist? 1,000? 10,000? maybe more. honestly those folks getting results with morels live in a spot where morels are found naturally.

Anyways if you want to create gourmet spawn, its exactly the same difficulty as cubensis spawn. if i were breaking down wood chips outdoors i would choose stropharia rugosoannulata and for variety also use a native oyster mushroom.

to get to a point where you can inoculate large piles of woodchips you should grow grain spawn (sterile), then inoculate some sawdust or other lignin rich substrate like chopped straw or even cardboard( sterile or pasteurized). once you have spawn equal to 10% of the wood-chips you wish to inoculate then you can create an outdoor bed without pasteurizing.

If you want to break down wood-chips in a compost pile easily all you need to do is add a nitrogen source like manure, chicken waste, N rich plants etc at a 30:1 C:N ratio. once its substantially composted you could grow secondary decomposing mushrooms like agaricus.

check this out if youre interested in composting, forerunners extreme composting thread: https://www.homesteadingtoday.com/threads/extreme-composting.342651/

it is insightful, inspiring, and fun read. this guy puts wood chips to work.


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Re: Why do Cubes need to be babied in comparison to gourmets? [Re: deadmandave]
    #27123332 - 01/03/21 07:30 AM (3 years, 25 days ago)

I was going to say SRA as well, that would be a good one I think.


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