Home | Community | Message Board

Cannabis Seeds - Original Sensible Seeds
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Offlinejdawg333
Stranger
Registered: 08/22/18
Posts: 580
Last seen: 1 month, 5 days
Too 'sad' to trip?
    #27120213 - 01/01/21 11:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

In the past year or so, I've tripped a few times. My problem is that whenever I personally trip, I end up tripping about the problems with the world. When I was younger, they weighed less heavily on my mind, but now being more of an adult and having to hear misconceptions, argue with people about very basic things about the virus and politics, and see problems and foresee all of the problems humans will have brought upon the world in the next century, it's hard for me to trip and just have a good time. I usually end up ruminating on how fucked things are. Can anybody else relate? There is obviously a buddhist/religious/whatever type side to psychedelics where you realize in the moment that it's just your mind in the world and bad/good are relative and whatever, but I can't shake the feeling that if I were sober I would just be sad about the way things are.

Perhaps this is a matter of dosage- that is, higher dosage = more 'enlightenment', less ruminating on reality. Still though I'm curious if anybody else has had issues like this especially lately. I feel frightened a lot of the time and even more frightened when I realize somebody probably is benefiting from my fright. I also know there is a stoic type response that is popular, where you realize you didn't cause these problems and therefore cannot expect to change them. But as I get older I see that as more and more of an excuse to kind of bow down and destroy the world because it's easier.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblecoAsTal
Friend
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/04/06
Posts: 2,970
Loc: 8a
Re: Too 'sad' to trip? [Re: jdawg333] * 6
    #27120265 - 01/01/21 12:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You need to unplug from the propaganda parade that's feeding our culture into a permanent terror cycle.

I used to be far more invested in "current events", and I was constantly worried about the next awful things always looming-- but in the end, we have power and influence only over our lives.

Go on a "panic information fast".
For one week, stop watching any alphabet news, fearmongers, hatemongers, shit-stirrers, circle-jerks, and any "entertainment" that's actually more "entrainment" for the same things.

Turn it off and focus on how your life will not change. Nothing in your daily life is affected by this shit-- except and until you paint yourself with it. You seem to think this "stoic" attitude is not worthy-- but think it through a little more. Let the animals eat themselves. Let them destroy the system that's already rotten. We will rebuild it-- and it will start again. Worrying about losing what's long lost already just pisses away the only lifetime you have to live this go-round. You aren't destroying anything by not playing their vile team hate sports-- you're rejecting the validity of their game by not playing a puppet role in it... as you damned well should.

I've released all that-- and I am far more at peace with the fact that there are dangerous nutjobs in power, and always will be. So fucking what. You or I or anyone else talking/worrying all the time will not change that-- so live life in pursuit of doing the right things for the right reasons. Love people in front of you. Be a part of your own life-- not some panic narrative written by government spooks and newsroom ad executives.


--------------------
I am certain of nothing but the holiness of the Heart's affections and the truth of Imagination--  John Keats

Spore Trading List


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineInnerWisdom
Male

Registered: 08/09/19
Posts: 1,936
Loc: North EU
Last seen: 6 days, 18 hours
Re: Too 'sad' to trip? [Re: jdawg333] * 3
    #27120273 - 01/01/21 12:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Funny you should mention this as I thought about rumination on the world and other people's lives. You just have to let go of that when it gets you nowhere. There is no point in worrying about stuff that you can't effect, and you must ask yourself why you do. Focus on yourself more and first, your own wellbeing, that is the top priority because for example a sick and exhausted person can help no one else truly.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineInnerWisdom
Male

Registered: 08/09/19
Posts: 1,936
Loc: North EU
Last seen: 6 days, 18 hours
Re: Too 'sad' to trip? [Re: coAsTal] * 1
    #27120279 - 01/01/21 12:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, this exactly.

You knowing and worrying about things makes no difference if you aren't actually doing anything about those things, and how many problems in the world can one person tackle..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinejdawg333
Stranger
Registered: 08/22/18
Posts: 580
Last seen: 1 month, 5 days
Re: Too 'sad' to trip? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27120308 - 01/01/21 12:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

This certainly helps. I think it's more difficult lately because it is just sad for me to see friends and acquaintances get sucked into propaganda or admit that they don't know/care what's going on. I try to convince them but end up either feeling crazy or useless. I know that the only real change is the change we ourselves go through, not the kind we try to make in other people, but it's a harder and harder truth every day when I see how far gone many are.

I cannot shake the feeling though that things are getting worse and worse at a higher rate than ever before. That's what really bothers me- that I've seen little tiny internet subcultures BS about a lot of the bullshit conspiracy/misinformation for years and years, but now I am seeing every day people unashamedly talking about this bullshit in every day reality without a hint of self awareness.

Sometimes, the sad stuff, it's just shit like how the whales can no longer talk to each other as well because we have so many ships on the ocean. It's a small thing but it just feels terrible to know that as bad as my life feels sometimes we are fucking over so many life forms so much harder.

Any books about this sort of thing would be appreciated, not necessarily 'about' it but you know what I mean. Something to help me better understand how one can live with fools without trying to educate them. It sounds like I'm putting myself on a pedestal or whatever, but it really is just realizing that I know close to nothing but a lot of the people I know are even worse off somehow. I don't feel good about myself but I feel even worse about how people I know are coerced in bad ways by the media and sort of numbing themselves.


Edited by jdawg333 (01/01/21 12:22 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEclipse3130
Servant of the Fungi
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/06/13
Posts: 6,233
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 4 hours, 36 minutes
Re: Too 'sad' to trip? [Re: jdawg333] * 1
    #27120317 - 01/01/21 12:21 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The mind, thoughts, worries, fears, ego must be let go of to liberate yourself into freedom


--------------------
"In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old
In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply
Different ways in which The
All-That Is
Perceives Itself"


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblecoAsTal
Friend
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/04/06
Posts: 2,970
Loc: 8a
Re: Too 'sad' to trip? [Re: jdawg333] * 4
    #27120327 - 01/01/21 12:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

I try to convince them but end up either feeling crazy or useless.
\



You appear to be suffering from these efforts at "educating the incorrect".

There's the biggest error-- and the most damaging (to yourself esteem and your relationships).
It is neither your place or to your benefit to actively "enlighten" anyone else.

Enlighten yourself. Trust that you will be drawn to others in time that are at a similar place-- and to you those in search of certain things will be drawn.

Pissing upstream is no good brother-- get to shore and make a safe, secure camp for yourself. Then you can provide shelter for those likewise swept away that may find you.

:peace:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineInnerWisdom
Male

Registered: 08/09/19
Posts: 1,936
Loc: North EU
Last seen: 6 days, 18 hours
Re: Too 'sad' to trip? [Re: jdawg333] * 1
    #27120332 - 01/01/21 12:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You don't need no books man. Just unplug yourself like coastal said and think about things that you need to think about. Take a trip or two to help :thumbup:

I know what you mean exactly, but you must live by example and not as preacher. Make it top priority for yourself to stick to your values and what makes you feel good both spiritually and physically.

Edit: coastal one step ahead of me again with the same message :fistbump:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinejomanda1990
Ewewazos
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/15/18
Posts: 689
Loc: Argentina Flag
Last seen: 26 days, 19 hours
Re: Too 'sad' to trip? [Re: jdawg333]
    #27120370 - 01/01/21 12:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I feel exactly like you OP on many levels. I'm still struggling with it. But there's no fixing the world overnight. It's been thousands of years we as a species have been falling downstream in some regards and becoming more inconceivably powerful on others. A few individuals cannot compensate for the enormous momentum the collective carries. The shift away from our collective self-destructive ways, if it ever happens, is going to be gradual, and will probably be past our lifetimes.

I think there's literally nothing you can do other than stick to your values (with appropriate self-awareness of them as well) and hope that a butterfly effect will come out of whatever altruistic and/or self-cultivating actions you take.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleReoSpeedwagon153
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/04/06
Posts: 2,098
Loc: Chetumal, Mexico
Re: Too 'sad' to trip? [Re: jdawg333]
    #27120479 - 01/01/21 02:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I haven’t taken mushrooms in years, but I remember this thing happening when I took them regularly. I called it the mushroom rut.

sometimes you get into these thought patterns that play out almost identically on multiple trips... the same thoughts lead to the same realizations and the same conclusions. it’s tough - it’s disturbing, annoying, and disheartening. generally taking a break for a while (6 months or more) would kinda ‘reset’ this. also taking other, different psychedelics helped me with that too. the only times I can remember actually ‘breaking’ mushroom ruts were on medium doses of ayahuasca.

the last times I took mushrooms ended with a rut. I went down the same trip five or six times in a row - thinking about the universe and matter, realizing that matter and energy are the same thing, remembering about einstein/relativity and what a revolutionary potential filled concept that really is. then I would remember that within just a few years of this discovery being proven, the US government developed weapons from it and then used them on human beings - and now we live in a world where the threat of immediate extinction by our own hands is a daily reality.

on mushrooms it was hard for me to understand how a pilot, a crew, etc could fly in with this devastating weapon, drop it, and kill that many people with the push of a button - twice. also the hiroshima pilot apparently never had any remorse or regret whatsoever. I can sort of understand that right now, not on mushrooms, but in that state it seemed to make no sense at all.

kinda wonder if I would have this trip again if I took mushrooms right now.


--------------------
“I thought naming myself ‘ReoSpeedwagon153’ on a forum was a funny idea in 2006.”


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineInnerWisdom
Male

Registered: 08/09/19
Posts: 1,936
Loc: North EU
Last seen: 6 days, 18 hours
Re: Too 'sad' to trip? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153] * 1
    #27120572 - 01/01/21 02:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Mushrooms I think are best used with intention going to the trip or knowing what to do when thoughts start looping or feeling too uncomfortable. That being said, sometimes there is much suffering in the soul that comes to consciousness. That itself can be the intention of a trip.
It's also important to clear your mind and body before hand. Don't trip with recent baggage.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleItAintGotNoGasInIt
All Boredom Amused


Registered: 06/29/19
Posts: 116
Re: Too 'sad' to trip? [Re: jdawg333] * 3
    #27120727 - 01/01/21 04:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You might find some parts of this video useful


I think humans have always been very bad at determining the state of the world during their own lifetimes. I decided a few things way back when I was a teenager: I would never say that young people's music sucks when I got old, I would never call the next generation lazier than the previous, and I would never think that society was in a great decline or that the world was coming to an end. These are things that people throughout history seem to think over and over again, it feels true to the individual in the moment but its just an illusion of our short mortal existence. The body grows old, declines, dies, and decays - it is very easy to project our own mortality onto the planet or society.


--------------------
Good name is better than silver and gold
And no money can buy good name
I have a good name
And no money can buy my name
Do you have a good name?
Then no money should buy your name


Edited by ItAintGotNoGasInIt (01/01/21 04:34 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleNiffla
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/09/08
Posts: 46,728
Loc: Texas
Re: Too 'sad' to trip? [Re: jdawg333] * 1
    #27121375 - 01/02/21 12:12 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

coAsTal said:
You need to unplug from the propaganda parade that's feeding our culture into a permanent terror cycle.

I used to be far more invested in "current events", and I was constantly worried about the next awful things always looming-- but in the end, we have power and influence only over our lives.

Go on a "panic information fast".
For one week, stop watching any alphabet news, fearmongers, hatemongers, shit-stirrers, circle-jerks, and any "entertainment" that's actually more "entrainment" for the same things.

Turn it off and focus on how your life will not change. Nothing in your daily life is affected by this shit-- except and until you paint yourself with it. You seem to think this "stoic" attitude is not worthy-- but think it through a little more. Let the animals eat themselves. Let them destroy the system that's already rotten. We will rebuild it-- and it will start again. Worrying about losing what's long lost already just pisses away the only lifetime you have to live this go-round. You aren't destroying anything by not playing their vile team hate sports-- you're rejecting the validity of their game by not playing a puppet role in it... as you damned well should.

I've released all that-- and I am far more at peace with the fact that there are dangerous nutjobs in power, and always will be. So fucking what. You or I or anyone else talking/worrying all the time will not change that-- so live life in pursuit of doing the right things for the right reasons. Love people in front of you. Be a part of your own life-- not some panic narrative written by government spooks and newsroom ad executives.




Perfectly said. I can't +1 this post enough.


Quote:

coAsTal said:
Quote:

I try to convince them but end up either feeling crazy or useless.
\



You appear to be suffering from these efforts at "educating the incorrect".

There's the biggest error-- and the most damaging (to yourself esteem and your relationships).
It is neither your place or to your benefit to actively "enlighten" anyone else.






Facts.

:amusedapplause:


Quote:

jdawg333 said:
I think it's more difficult lately because it is just sad for me to see friends and acquaintances get sucked into propaganda or admit that they don't know/care what's going on. I try to convince them but end up either feeling crazy or useless.




In regards to specifically the part in the quote where you mention how it bothers you that your friends/acquaintances "don't know or care about what's going on", why do they have to care about the same things that you do? Politics in general is a big turnoff for a lot of people out there. If you're into the nuances of all that then more power to you, but don't expect them to have the same level of interest in that subject just because you do.

If I were you I would put a good deal of effort into not worrying about other people and just letting them be who they are instead of trying to change them.


--------------------


HAIL OUR NEW OTD KING


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTom66
Stranger
Registered: 11/18/16
Posts: 80
Last seen: 1 month, 13 days
Re: Too 'sad' to trip? [Re: jdawg333] * 1
    #27121627 - 01/02/21 07:08 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I fully empathise with the OP - I can get very sad (I suffer long term with depression anyway) and I'm a chronic overthinker. So when I watch a nature doc, or see a habitat wasted as a direct result of humans, ie my own species, its very easy to find myself in a downward trajectory of despair for our beautiful planet.
My next trip
(which are few and far between) I will have a short list of simple intentions, to try and find perspective somewhere in the madness and realise that simply trying to be a good person yourself has a positive effect on the world.

Good luck :smile:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineInnerWisdom
Male


Registered: 08/09/19
Posts: 1,936
Loc: North EU
Last seen: 6 days, 18 hours
Re: Too 'sad' to trip? [Re: Tom66]
    #27121638 - 01/02/21 07:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, that sadness is deep and horrible. The crying of the soul.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTom66
Stranger
Registered: 11/18/16
Posts: 80
Last seen: 1 month, 13 days
Re: Too 'sad' to trip? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27121654 - 01/02/21 07:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

My worry sometimes is that tripping may amplify the feelings that I have already re the state of the world.
Many people are ignorant - these are the type of people at whom comments like "every politician should have to take a mushroom trip" are aimed at.


Edited by Tom66 (01/02/21 07:40 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineInnerWisdom
Male


Registered: 08/09/19
Posts: 1,936
Loc: North EU
Last seen: 6 days, 18 hours
Re: Too 'sad' to trip? [Re: Tom66]
    #27121668 - 01/02/21 08:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I believe by confronting those feelings and dealing with them through mushrooms and thinking it is possible to change how you feel. Your soul will grow stronger. No need to be weakened by those things anymore. If anything, you can become stronger through that sorrow, for it reminds you what is valuable, worth defending. And then you focus on your own life and not the world.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRoadAppleSnapple
Learning.


Registered: 12/31/20
Posts: 58
Re: Too 'sad' to trip? [Re: InnerWisdom] * 1
    #27145396 - 01/13/21 09:02 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Bumping to say Thank You to coAsTal & InnerWisdom


I needed this reminder.


I will be spending the day with my guitar and lady and pup and focusing on the good vibes I can create in my little bubble, rather than all the outside shit I cannot control.

Thanks again, it's going to be a good day in my neck of the woods.

Mushlove. :hug:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* bad trips slapster555 1,877 3 07/20/02 09:50 AM
by Alien
* Mind Reading!??? Bad trip man GhettoWedo420 3,849 15 09/04/02 12:23 AM
by Sheepish
* How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ?
( 1 2 3 all )
Natas 37,949 44 12/05/16 12:16 AM
by TheMadHatter420
* What is a F@&#ING Sweeeeeeeetttttttt Trip?!?!?!?! Trip_Out_7 10,022 14 07/12/22 08:06 AM
by LogicaL Chaos
* Bad Trips. I need info
( 1 2 all )
Trip_Out_7 16,259 23 12/30/22 02:31 PM
by TerdleMountain
* Can pot COOKIES increase a shroom trip?
( 1 2 3 all )
Trip_Out_7 18,913 42 10/11/23 02:53 PM
by Neurotech
* Tripping Solo?
( 1 2 3 all )
Bigwelby 14,959 40 06/11/19 03:42 PM
by korgoth
* Trip Level? optikal_trip 5,586 10 01/04/22 08:26 AM
by candyman345

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: psilocybinjunkie, Rose, mushboy, LogicaL Chaos, Northerner, bodhisatta
483 topic views. 1 members, 43 guests and 22 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.027 seconds spending 0.006 seconds on 12 queries.