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OfflineAtomisk
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sexual taboos
    #2712004 - 05/21/04 06:08 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

desire, lust, and wanting are usually emotions looked at as rather unhealthy in the spiritual life. are these not feelings that many try to cut from their lives?

how good can sex be without desire and lust? imo, the act of sex is very spiritual. two becoming one, becoming unified in each other, both physically and emotionally (mentally, spiritually, etc...)you get the picture.

at what age do you find acceptable for sex...legally or illegally. how old does the opposite sex have to be to want them sexually. to want someone (at that certain age) and to act upon those feelings (at that certain age)are two different things.

men and women come into sexual maturity (physically if not mentally) at different ages, how did this help us as a survival technique as a species?

when i was going through puberty (and still to this day) i was, for a lack of better words, extremely horny. i would have conceded to sex from just about any attrative girl, even at age 13. mentally, i would not have been prepared for a serious relationship, but does a relationship have to be serious because sex is involved?

if i was in one of those societies where marriage was set up for me at an early age, and i was 13 and the girl was 12, 13, i think i would have been happy...at least for a little while.

sex between two 13 year-olds doesnt seem too disturbing, but sex between a 30 year-old and a 13 year-old does seem a bit disturbing? why has our society deemed this so?

i am a product of this society, so yes, i personally do find it a bit disturbing for such a big age difference, although two 13 year-olds doesnt seem that bad to me.

note:
this is a cultural taboo, im not aiming to offenned anyone by these questions and statements. we should all be adults here. im not trying to justify sex with minors, thats not my motivation.


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Re: sexual taboos [Re: Atomisk]
    #2712040 - 05/21/04 06:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Sex without love is not a spiritual act. Sex with love is.


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Re: sexual taboos [Re: Atomisk]
    #2712120 - 05/21/04 06:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Hmmmm...

Well, sexual activity between two minors is play, pure and simple. They don't have the emotional backdrop (baggage) to make it anything else.

Adults however, make a LOT out of sex (for good reasons), and bring all of there emotional backdrop (good and bad), along for the ride.

When an adult has sex with a minor (in my opinion a bad, bad, bad thing) they force all of that backdrop onto a person that doesn't have the tools to deal with it yet. That can only be overwhelming. I am not saying it results in emotional damage 100% of the time, I have friends who have been the minor in such situations, and they are healthy good people, but I do think it always leads to major blocks that have to be overcome later when they do have the tools.

Now, as to the arbitrary number '18', I don't know... The real problem is that I can say that 16 was a good age for me to begin to deal with the emorional sub-text of having sex with older people. But, that line is *completely* subjective, and I have no way of knowing what it is for other people. But, 18 is as good a demarcation as any, since any group of people will need one.

Anyways.... back to work... *sigh*... no time for play until class tonight (martial arts rule!!!), and 'shroomies tomorrow.

Peace.


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Re: sexual taboos [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2712597 - 05/21/04 08:56 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

JacquesCousteau said:
Sex without love is not a spiritual act. Sex with love is.



Maybe, but it depends on the kind of love you're talking about. I don't think it has to be the kind of monogamous, exclusive love that defines relationships. It can be a more universal love, where you love the person as a human being, rather than as a boyfriend/girlfriend kind of thing, and still be spiritual. I think it loses the spiritual aspect when it becomes purely about physical gratification.


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Re: sexual taboos [Re: silversoul7]
    #2712799 - 05/21/04 10:05 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

indeed...



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Re: sexual taboos [Re: Muppet]
    #2713626 - 05/22/04 02:24 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i've never seen any evidence sex was spiritual. i have however seen evidence that its an unconscious biological imperitive.

i mean, you can make it spiritual, but i can make smoking crack out of a lightbulb spiritual.


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Re: sexual taboos [Re: truekimbo2]
    #2713654 - 05/22/04 02:36 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i've never seen any evidence sex was spiritual

-- youve never had great sex with someone you are madly in love with.


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Re: sexual taboos [Re: Positronius]
    #2714931 - 05/22/04 04:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Positronius said:
i've never seen any evidence sex was spiritual

-- youve never had great sex with someone you are madly in love with.




Key words.


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Re: sexual taboos [Re: aje]
    #2714952 - 05/22/04 04:45 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

actually, sex with someone you dont love can be equally spiritual. But it may not be equally enjoyable. You can have passionate sex withsome you dont love, and then end up feeling terribly empty afterwards, staring up into a stucco ceiling of nothingness.

Who says a "spiritual" experience has to be positive and enjoyable?


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Re: sexual taboos [Re: truekimbo2]
    #2714990 - 05/22/04 05:04 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You've never heard of the Kama Sutra?


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Re: sexual taboos [Re: cherokee]
    #2715404 - 05/22/04 07:23 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

It is mainly christianity and islam that teach their followers that sex and sexuality is bad or shameful. Especially in women. It is largely used as a means of control. Only in the last 50 years has there been any kind of backlash or sizable dissent with that belief (within the context of the religions themselves as well as mainstream media).

I suspect the pendulum will swing far enough that moral/religious leaders will be able to shout from the roof tops that they were right all along, failing to see it was largely their own repressive ideals that caused the shift into the extreme. Then, as with many thing it will start to swing back. Hopefully not all the way back this time.


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Re: sexual taboos [Re: unbeliever]
    #2715428 - 05/22/04 07:29 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

hopefully those types will be long gone by then, and their extremist ideals will go with em  :tongue:



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Re: sexual taboos [Re: Positronius]
    #2715929 - 05/22/04 09:45 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I've never seen any evidence that anything was spiritual, I think it's a bunk concept


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