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Is there coming back from this?
    #27119633 - 01/01/21 03:48 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Hey guys, total noob here trying to complete my first grow of cubes. Did 4 1qt grain spawns on Dec 4. 2 of the jars took off and 2 are still lagging behind. I put the 2 jars that were really colonized in a 12qt tote with CVG about 3in deep with a thin cap layer. The tub seemed to get very dense within 5 days, so I started fruiting conditions a few days ago and now a very dense mat has formed and I'm guessing the possibilities of fruiting bodies is gone. I don't have a fine mister, I've been using a spray bottle. I've been using a heated mat at 79f for the entire process. Once I introduced fruiting conditions I did put the tub into a larger box I covered in blankets with lights inside. This may have caused the pad to stay on longer to heat up the larger volume of air and cooked the myc?

Any info / comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!



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Re: Is there coming back from this? [Re: Nightris]
    #27119649 - 01/01/21 04:08 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

oof yeah that looks weird lol. you don’t need a heating mat, that shit causes more problems than it solves. unless you’re growing in temps like sub 50f or something i wouldn’t worry about external heating. i like how my fruits grow more in the cold anyway, they get nice & thick. patience is a virtue with mushrooms!!

also “fruiting conditions” doesn’t really mean anything, you can “fruit” at spawn & run a tub perfectly fine!! it’s all the same stuff, you more just want to make sure your substrate isn’t drying out during colonization. IME you can get away with more FAE once the pinset really starts coming in but you really don’t have to differentiate between “colonization” & “fruiting”

i’m not certain, but i personally wouldn’t expect fruits if my tub looked like that. i think a finer mister would maybe help just in general but i don’t think it would save this grow

are you using a 12qt sweaterbox? the kind with the loose snap on white plastic lid?



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Re: Is there coming back from this? [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27119666 - 01/01/21 04:29 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Hey thanks for the info and the welcome!

It's pretty cold where I am, but we keep the inside of the house between 65-70. A lot of what I read said between 70-80 for temp, and I figured the higher temp would help speed up growth. But maybe that was my mistake.

There are the tubs I'm using: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CQGTGZQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

After making the substrate I just closed the lid and put it under a towel on the heat mat and within a few days it got super dense. That's when I thought I'd introduce fruiting conditions. I just uncliped the lid, flipped it upside leaving about a 1/2in gap on one side. About 4 times a day I fan it and make sure it wasn't looking too dry. When I'm not messing with it, the tub is sitting in a PVC cube with towels over it to try keep it warmer and the humidity a little higher. I have a light in there on a 12hr cycle. I just now placed the tub on some risers so it wasn't sitting directly on the heat mat anymore. I think the tub may have got too hot.

To potentially salvage it, could i treat it as spawn and break it up and put it into new substrate and try not to heat it this time?

Edit: just for some extra info: grain spawn was inoculated on Dec.4, Put in substrate on Dec.22, and Fruiting conditions on Dec.28


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Re: Is there coming back from this? [Re: Nightris]
    #27119680 - 01/01/21 05:02 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

And for reference this is what it looked like 2 days after I put it into the substrate.



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Re: Is there coming back from this? [Re: Nightris]
    #27119687 - 01/01/21 05:09 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Nope


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Re: Is there coming back from this? [Re: Leon Forest]
    #27120568 - 01/01/21 02:48 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

if the inside of the house is between 65-70 you’re completely fine! i’ve had temps between 59-64 in my grow space in cold winters & still had great flushes. may take an extra week or two for the total grow but that’s just life. personally i think it’s better to be a little too cold than too hot. you don’t ever need a heat mat at all & it’s gonna give you more problems than it’s worth! also fanning is completely pointless. you can do it if you want, but the passive air exchange from cracks or holes in your tub is plenty for mushrooms. fanning provides zero benefit. with those tubs, if you’re willing to drill into them you could maybe make a few small holes in them so you don’t need to crack the lid or anything if that ends up giving you issues. with a 12qt maybe you don’t need to, but i noticed my monotubs ran much better when i drilled holes using pasty’s mono tek vs. just cracking the lid. it seems pretty dependent on environment for what works best for you

sub looks a lot better in the reference pic you posted. i really don’t think you’re gonna be able to salvage anything out of that, sorry man /: usually the best option in this hobby is just to start over & get it right the next time. i dunno what specifically is going on in that tub but i don’t think using it as spawn for another tub is gonna give you much better results


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Re: Is there coming back from this? [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27120669 - 01/01/21 03:53 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

There really is such a thing as too much love, even for our precious shroom-babies :grin:  It almost looks cooked, due to the combination of heat mat, lights and blanket, but maybe the lighting makes it look worse than it is. If it were me I might soak it for a few hours then add a thin layer of hydrated coir over the top, and see if the mycelium does anything. Probably it won't, so it's time to start a new project!

If the jars were contaminated before spawning, that could have contributed to the thickness and texture of the myc. How did you inoculate your jars?


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Re: Is there coming back from this? [Re: Tattersail]
    #27120709 - 01/01/21 04:16 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Thanks for the info guys.

I sterilized jars or rye grain for 90 mins at 15 PSI, the caps had the pillow stuffing hole and a silicone RTV (self healing) inoculation hole. As far as I can tell, I've had zero contamination issues with any of my jars and this tub.

Once I have time to see an inoculation to harvest all the way through I'll try again. I only have a week, so I'll try to soak it and resurface it to see if that changes it. No added heat this time! But it's such a dense block of myc, water doesn't even seem to penetrate it. I can literally hold the brick on one side and the other side doesn't sag or break off lol.


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Re: Is there coming back from this? [Re: Nightris] * 1
    #27120789 - 01/01/21 05:13 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

contams can be sneaky, especially bacteria. if you did spores to grain instead of agar or liquid inoculate that may have also caused some problems. it’s hard to tell if contamination is at play without seeing the jars but it’s possible there still was a little. i think the main problem was the heat pad & trying to keep it warm though, even if it was bacterial it will usually still fruit. i wouldn’t hope for much with the rehydration/new topping but hey might as well swing for the fences if you don’t have anything better to do lol. good luck with your future grows!


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Re: Is there coming back from this? [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27120813 - 01/01/21 05:31 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

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To potentially salvage it, could i treat it as spawn and break it up and put it into new substrate and try not to heat it this time?




I don't think you can salvage anything man, that tub looks far gone unfortunately.
As other people here already said, heating mats are unnecessary and if anything they can do more harm than good, but I don't think your problem was the heating mat itself, that tub is simply contaminated.

Contamination problems usually start with the spawn. Take pictures of the spawn next time so if something goes wrong you can post them and ask for opinions. Also, sterilize grain jars for 2 hours next time, you could get away with 90 minutes but cutting corner here is always a bad idea and 30 minutes more can make a difference.

Did you inoculate with spore solution? Always better to put the spores to agar first to make sure you're working with a clean culture.


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Re: Is there coming back from this? [Re: Josex]
    #27120971 - 01/01/21 07:02 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

I did inject a spore syringe directly into the jar. I didn't want to mess with agar at the time. But if it means such a higher probablility of success then I'll definitely do it. With the silicone injection port I thought it gave the highest probability to keep contams out.

Here is a pic of the spawn a few days before I put it in the tub. Within 2 days it was super dense and that's when I put the 2 jars that looked like it into the tub. The little red you see is some silicone on the outside of the jar.



Here are jars 3 and 4, inoculated at the same time, Dec 4 so almost a month now. So these 2 for some reason are really lagging. I'm assuming something is wrong with these. I've shaken them 2 times to break up the growth.



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Re: Is there coming back from this? [Re: Nightris]
    #27120984 - 01/01/21 07:11 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

If the jar doesn’t recover from shaking then it is certainly contaminated. I’m assuming all your jars were contaminated since you used a syringe... definitely work with agar on the next project to avoid wasting time! Takes a while to get going but saves on headaches


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Re: Is there coming back from this? [Re: Nightris]
    #27120985 - 01/01/21 07:13 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

those bottom two jars definitely look bacterial to me. yeah spores to grain just tend to do really poorly for whatever reason. definitely try out agar! pastywhyte’s tek is a godsend https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976 it’s not too hard when you get the hang of it i promise


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Re: Is there coming back from this? [Re: Nightris]
    #27120992 - 01/01/21 07:18 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Yea it's very important you clean your spores first on agar, spores to grain is sketchy.
I'm afraid the jars in the second pic are toast, you can't use those. And I don't like the first pic either. That rye looks dry from here, it's important you make sure to simmer them  until they all look plump and lose the white, no matter if some burst along the way, then steam dry and jar up.


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Re: Is there coming back from this? [Re: Josex]
    #27124304 - 01/03/21 04:39 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

Ok, since I figure I have nothing to lose I should experiment and see what happens. I think it was a combination of too much heat (the tub maybe have gotten to the low to mid 90's), too much CO2, and too little humidity probably accelerated from the excess heat. I've read that Cubensis doesn't overlay (this is B+) and I'm not saying that's what this is, but it seems to have a lot of characteristics of overlay. The entire substrate turned into a dense mass with a thick and white encasement around the whole thing. At no point has there been any weird colors or smells. It always just smells like mushrooms to me, though I don't have a lot of experience with mushroom scents.

I soaked the brick over night, then broken it up and put it into 2 separate tubs. My original tub with liner and tape that I hope would promote pining upwards. And then a new plane and clear tub with no liner.

Here is what the brick looked like


I then filled the gaps with extra CVG


Then put a thin layer of CVG over everything, misted some water over the top, and put the lid on.
12 hours later it looks like the mycelium is exploding again. No weird smells, just white fuzzies. So we'll see what happens. Through this entire process (first time for me) I am amazed how fast some of the growth can be with fungi, pretty amazing stuff.



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Re: Is there coming back from this? [Re: Nightris]
    #27124324 - 01/03/21 04:50 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

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Nightris said:
And for reference this is what it looked like 2 days after I put it into the substrate.






90% sure you're growing mold

I'd love to see it be cubes, but full colonization doesn't happen in 2 days with anything except mold.


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Re: Is there coming back from this? [Re: AlsetAlokin]
    #27130968 - 01/06/21 04:42 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

yeah, those growth rates are kinda suspect. didn't realize he mentioned it had only been two days since spawn lol i wouldn't trust that


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