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Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us all..
    #27118994 - 12/31/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Is the end game of our species simply to be nothing more then seekers and destroyers? We started as bacteria..we all know what bacteria is best at. Sure we learn/gather/obtain knowledge, practice the arts, play our musical instrumentals, share some laughs and smiles; talk about how complicated or simple life is..bottom line we do a lot things..little things..and most people say those little things make the human race different and better then nature..what i am trying to say and ask..Are we protectors or destroyers?? Or simply both??


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: Mr. D Green]
    #27119009 - 12/31/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

"...Are we protectors or destroyers?? Or simply both??"

Neither
drop good and bad
just rest in the awesomeness of it all


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: laughingdog]
    #27119204 - 12/31/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

bacteria lives on among us, we are an exaltation to bacteria and a host of other beasties.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27119371 - 12/31/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

In other words, were just apart of what is? And shall always be is??

Meaning, we as humans are just another organism stacked in between smaller and larger organisms? We all live off each other as organic organisms? We have not yet evolved out of this stupid food chain?

Thus, darwinism is what we as a species live for? That is what conclusion I come to, but do not want to accept nor believe in. I am stuck, I am wrong right?? What am I missing?


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: Mr. D Green]
    #27119625 - 01/01/21 03:40 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Life other than human life, has only the goal of surviving long enough to reproduce.

So if you are looking for meaning, it must be a meaning that is relevant to a human self.

As a large part of what tripping is about is ego dissolution, that would seem to leave the notion that life needs meaning, on rather shaky ground, would it not?

It seems you find this prospect scary and wish to avoid what seems the obvious conclusion. I would guess many feel this way. And also that many felt this way in the past until tripping or some other immersive life experience liberated them from the notion, that the labels given to reality are more important than reality. Which is essentially what 'finding meaning' amounts to.

For those who desperately want to avoid confronting this, there are lots of religions eager to provide one size fits all, prepackaged meanings, in exchange for your ability to exercise critical thinking.

(Some may find it ironic, that in a sense, it is religion itself that steals souls, and not the supposed enemy: the devil).


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: laughingdog]
    #27119846 - 01/01/21 07:52 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

On the contrary, has nothing to do with emotions..you must understand this..I simply do not wish to let my "machine" side win. Meaning is the purpose of evolution to simply grow and keep growing endlessly? Or is evolution a means to an end, we evolve because we wish to experience new things? Thus we use knowledge and evolution to help us, and other life; thrive and connect better.

  "Life other than human life, has only the goal of surviving long enough to reproduce."

  If that were true, then why do other animals; such as deer. Play with one and another?? Or why do ravens have a hobby of collecting objects they like?? You might as well say humans only have a goal to survive as well..driving cars, talking about are day, even thinking about life does not separate us from other animals..


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: Mr. D Green]
    #27119885 - 01/01/21 08:26 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Well I could be all wrong,... but I think the societal ideal of evolution and darwinian evolution are two very different things. The "societally evolved" individuals who first arrived on the scene were usually killed off by the darwinian thugs of evolution. Christ, Socrates, blah blah blah. They had some pretty good ideas about how a society *should* run (caring for the weak, use of logic and reason rather than group-power, blah blah blah) but they ended up being removed from the gene pool.

I don't think social evolution is really evolution at all. More like just an ideal.

For a highly detailed explanation, load up on your favorite psychedelic and watch the 3 minute cartoon from Pearl Jam called "Do The Evolution". You will understand all.





As for religion... I don't think it fits into the discussion any more than a discussion of mathematics here. Most of us have their own religious biases, except for the truly agnostic, and even those low-bias individuals aren't always purely agnostic. For example, anyone who has a belief about what actually caused the big bang has a belief about the origin of the universe that (inherently) cannot be tested in repeatable experiments. Yet. So, that falls into the category of religion... not science. If Pearl Jam comes out with a cartoon explaining this question I will share it here so that we can all be enlightened.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: 5Graham]
    #27119902 - 01/01/21 08:36 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

The attractive woman who features throughout the video (who sometimes turns into a skeleton) seems to me to represent how evolution is driven by the need for sex, and while she appears to be friendly and beckoning, she is really uncaring and death is the final result anyways, and the survival of the most strong. There is really no difference between T-Rex chewing up another top predator, or a Roman despot marching over his enemies, or a group of savages united by their tribe, or their hatred, or their religion, or their lack of religion. The succession is all cruel and results in a dumb-looking guy laughing as he defeats his rival.

I think when the first oxygen-producing life poisoned the earth with massive amounts of O2, it resulted in the first mass extinction, and paved the way for us. Not sure why we should be considered any "better" or "worse" than those plants from a societal evolution yardstick.

But then again, I did eat a bunch of Himalayan mad honey last night and didn't sleep at all, and I could be just rambling a bunch of crazytalk as ignorant as the next guy. OK I see I just told everyone to watch a cartoon to understand the meaning of life. So. Yeah.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: Mr. D Green]
    #27119905 - 01/01/21 08:40 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

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Mr. D Green said:
In other words, were just apart of what is? And shall always be is??

Meaning, we as humans are just another organism stacked in between smaller and larger organisms? We all live off each other as organic organisms? We have not yet evolved out of this stupid food chain?

Thus, darwinism is what we as a species live for? That is what conclusion I come to, but do not want to accept nor believe in. I am stuck, I am wrong right?? What am I missing?




to say it is all darwinism is to deny what makes any honest person admit that we are just a part of what is.

so is darwinism. a part of the story. not a bad part either.

I did not see the Morgan Freeman talk/video, but he likely put on the schmaltzy dramatics as he is an amazing thespian.

our existence is part of a larger process yet to be more fully understood.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27120245 - 01/01/21 11:54 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

I find it challenging to use the word “us” with any weight or significance.  Who are “we” at this point.  Americans, races, Homo sapiens etc. Idk. 

Even through history it’s been a unimaginably vast melting pot of lives and experiences.  So I’m torn between the prospect that in a few thousand years everybody will be multi racial and virtually indistinguishable or perhaps even more distinguished and possibly even separated by planets and satellites.  The science fiction seems to prefer the latter but I guess you could synthesize that and say it will be simultaneous depending on the scale you want to view. 

So that’s where I think evolution is taking us.  Farther out and dispersed more complicated and vast etc. That’s the trajectory it wants to take

On the other hand maybe things will get complicated to a point of dysfunction and there will be a trendy desire to revert to the simplistic and fundamental.  So evolution wants balance and well being but will experiment and enterprise if feasible


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #27120300 - 01/01/21 12:17 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

We are potentially both protectors and destroyers as is very evident when you look at the effect we have on the world. The idea to strive for is that the protector, lifeloving spirit in us prevails over the darker aspects of our human nature.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27120366 - 01/01/21 12:52 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

I get much inspiration and clear warnings from the complexity of coral reefs, which our cities resemble in many ways.

We are vulnerable to subtle changes in the water temperature, and contents.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27120442 - 01/01/21 01:39 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Personally I find the biggest threat to the evolution of our species in technology. I fear that more and more people especially the new generations get hooked on entertainment via technologies. A certain kind of dystopia with dumbed down people like sheep living a technological entertained life is in my mind. Now that's probably just a fear of the worst, but certainly could happen.

On the other hand, technology is the biggest possibility to evolve individuals and masses alike.

The greatest impact on our so called evolution is the impact that a single human can potentially have.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27120604 - 01/01/21 03:14 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Darwinning! :winning:


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #27120615 - 01/01/21 03:21 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Um no. We never were bacteria.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: MycoBrainz]
    #27121171 - 01/01/21 09:27 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

I see, too much black n white evades my mind it seems..

Perhaps instead of picturing highly evolved beings either destroying all in their path or interacting with other life forms, I shall look up at the starry sky above; and think about how everything in this universe is connected and how beautiful that is. Then come back to this subject at another time when everything is not so black n white.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: Mr. D Green]
    #27121509 - 01/02/21 04:40 AM (3 years, 26 days ago)

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..and think about how everything in this universe is ...




Your whole "issue" is that you're over thinking, ... more won't help.

Nobody in their 'right mind' :laugh: worries about meaning while screwing or rock climbing or any intense involvement with life !
Or even while really enjoying a meal, you've got it all backwards, and then cling to your silly views and want to argue. But your, your own enemy at this point. I may be rude, but i'm not the cause of your imaginary "issue".

And your not the first, to get stuck in such nonsense, there's a whole book and movie, about a guy in the same boat, and what it takes for him to begin to wake up. "Zorba the Greek" , by Nikos Kazantzakis, published in 1946. Movie stars Anthony Quinn and is good.

What ever you do don't watch the movie or read the book, life might get too real, too quick for you, if that were to happen.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: laughingdog]
    #27130646 - 01/06/21 02:22 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

There is a new stuff in evolution store. Partaking is just rather ugly process of changing skins while doc watches. It is not for everyone. DOktA Sneik.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #27130655 - 01/06/21 02:26 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

And that is what evolution is like. Oval process. With doktA. That is oval too. Fistbump for all fellas who still believe in children to be superb. And dogs as cool. And snakes as snakes. Fifty states as one oval and we still can't figure solution.
Edit: I've said it befo and I'll say it again, I am dumb and love my car. Let's take it back. I have no car. DUI. Oval issue. Call me silly, call me fool, only because I think about you. Seriously - yes. Evolution is a genre in big egodeathsuperdeemz trip library. It works. The magnitudes are however rather, uhmm, repelling. Nutshell. /Linkin Park - people like me walk on egshells all night long (or.smth).


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #27130675 - 01/06/21 02:34 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Self patronized and prepaid "pardon", I will cross the line (I am a rare lurker, it is okay).

/So concerned with what you think to just say what we feel inside
So many people like me walk on eggshells all day long
All I know is that all I want is to feel like I'm not stepped on
There are so many things you say that make me feel you crossed the line
What goes up will surely fall and I'm counting down the time
'Cause I've had so many standoffs with you it's about
As much as I can stand so I'm waiting until the upper hand is mine/


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: Mr. D Green]
    #27137503 - 01/09/21 11:36 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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Mr. D Green said:
Thus, darwinism is what we as a species live for? That is what conclusion I come to, but do not want to accept nor believe in. I am stuck, I am wrong right?? What am I missing?




Darwin is such a honest man that he mentioned this
Quote:

If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down. But I can find out no such case," he wrote in On the Origin of Specieurs by Means of Natural Selection

EVEN just one sample.






Another quote about his doubt in his own writings in terms of complex organs within the body (heart,eyes,blood,etc) or organism themselves that not might support his theory:
Quote:

To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.




since the discovery of DNA there has been huge progress in terms of our mystery, which open up deeper mysteries. happens time and time again in the study of our biological origins.

like our mysterious chromosome that are less than in numbers compared to ape chromosome.



it has been discovered that it is because our chromosome #2 are a product of fusion.





credits to the paper titled: An ancestral telomere-telomere fusion. communicated by Alen Garen 1991.
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this fusion must have been followed by the elimination of overlapping function as well as by events that stabilized the fusion.






for this fusion - split, delete or turnoff functions, then fuse. to happen needs precise parameters which excludes Evolution, for the fusion to occur the way it did, a mutation had to occur.

I'm nobody just sharing a word of the mouth

I have given up on this pure evolution ideology long time ago.
survival of the fittest is such a dangerous ideology that can create war and conflict between the same species.

I hope the same for yah and never get stuck.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: pacmanbreed]
    #27137529 - 01/09/21 11:56 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

and don't stay stuck for too long if you do get stuck.

IMO, mutation is a fundamental element in the evolution story.
it has to be, because there is no direct feedback to genetic changes until a living mutant survives and successfully breeds.
Also there is not "intent to evolve" or "intent to mutate".

therefore we look at zillions of mutations happening all the time and some new forms emerging that appear well adapted. That type of fitness (as in survival of those most fit) is totally sufficient to show evolution in progress. It is not always about strength and predation, it is mostly about health and cleverness at this point.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27137677 - 01/09/21 01:27 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

I do get the picture of it.. :takingnotes:

so the doubling of the genome of flowering plants thru mutagenesis 180 million years ago is a piece of the puzzle.

thanks for mentioning, although not my expertise, it draws a very beautiful picture in my mind specially the latter part.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: pacmanbreed]
    #27137793 - 01/09/21 02:36 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

We're headed for the Borg


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    #27141826 - 01/11/21 11:21 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

when stuck use the situation to get some real good in the universe to apply yourself to some real work like meditation for example 20 mins a day or a daily drawing
that way while stuck you do almost as good as if not stuck
but yeah that is definitely to avoid :smile:


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    #27142505 - 01/11/21 06:07 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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Are we protectors or destroyers?? Or simply both??




They already made that movie, it was called the matrix :lol:

Hopefully our AI will be benevolent to us tho hehehehe.

This is really the AI's planet, we are just collecting the resources and making it more suitable for when it arrives!


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out.lying to us all [Re: teknix]
    #27143277 - 01/12/21 07:30 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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teknix said:...
Hopefully our AI will be benevolent to us tho hehehehe.

This is really the AI's planet, we are just collecting the resources and making it more suitable for when it arrives!




this makes too much sense in a future rear view mirror (if there is such a thing)


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out.lying to us all [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27144572 - 01/12/21 07:49 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

Man Made AI and AI Made Man.

In the far future past present of course.

it plays out nicely in my head.


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    #27147856 - 01/14/21 02:09 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

Dtt
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Um no. We never were bacteria.




I would love to hear about your own personal take on human evolution t?where in we magicallyy appear without Connection to bacteriafh on our family tree?!?!?


All eukaryotes stem on from cyanobacteria which are infact bacteria belonging to the bacteria domain.


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    #27147900 - 01/14/21 02:30 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

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Quote:

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Thus, darwinism is what we as a species live for? That is what conclusion I come to, but do not want to accept nor believe in. I am stuck, I am wrong right?? What am I missing?




Darwin is such a honest man that he mentioned this
Quote:

If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down. But I can find out no such case," he wrote in On the Origin of Specieurs by Means of Natural Selection

EVEN just one sample.






Another quote about his doubt in his own writings in terms of complex organs within the body (heart,eyes,blood,etc) or organism themselves that not might support his theory:
Quote:

To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.




since the discovery of DNA there has been huge progress in terms of our mystery, which open up deeper mysteries. happens time and time again in the study of our biological origins.

like our mysterious chromosome that are less than in numbers compared to ape chromosome.

Eyyyy

it has been discovered that it is because our chromosome #2 are a product of fusion.





credits to the paper titled: An ancestral telomere-telomere fusion. communicated by Alen Garen 1991.
Quote:

this fusion must have been followed by the elimination of overlapping function as well as by events that stabilized the fusion.






for this fusion - split, delete or turnoff functions, then fuse. to happen needs precise parameters which excludes Evolution, for the fusion to occur the way it did, a mutation had to occur.

I'm nobody just sharing a word of the mouth

I have given up on this pure evolution ideology long time ago.
survival of the fittest is such a dangerous ideology that can create war and conflict between the same species.

I hope the same for yah and never get stuck.



Sounds alot moret like confidence than doubt.

How do you see that it as doubt(


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: Mr. D Green] * 2
    #27150613 - 01/15/21 09:57 PM (3 years, 12 days ago)

We are just a drop in the bucket...that bucket is billions of years old and a universe wide...maybe infinite universes wide. We are just the newest layer of compost. We are literally born of stardust and die in rot...maybe someday something new will sprout from it...


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: Cyonic] * 1
    #27150851 - 01/16/21 03:17 AM (3 years, 12 days ago)

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...I have given up on this pure evolution ideology long time ago...





All ideologies are BS.

Newton had a model of the universe & physics that was good enough to get 'us' to the moon.

Now we use Einstein's model for GPS.

No ideology and no problem.

Darwin's model explains a lot and now epigenetics adds to our understanding. No ideology or belief is necessary.

It is the desire for certainty, that is dangerous, not the provisional nature of our knowledge.

Just a short while ago some of our DNA was called "junk" DNA, now we know some of it contains switches. Those with open minds keep learning.

Those who desire certainty, may end up being suicide bombers, -- strange stuff that so called 'certainty', dogma, belief & search for an authority to trust.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #27151018 - 01/16/21 07:35 AM (3 years, 12 days ago)

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We are just a drop in the bucket...that bucket is billions of years old and a universe wide...maybe infinite universes wide. We are just the newest layer of compost. We are literally born of stardust and die in rot...maybe someday something new will sprout from it...



agreed,
however, I think new stuff is constantly sprouting, and evolving over generations. Glad your new dog is fitting in!


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: laughingdog]
    #27151030 - 01/16/21 07:48 AM (3 years, 12 days ago)

:fuckyeah: :nailedit: :mindblown:

such new discoveries are fascinating opening up new possibilities,

just to add, Telomere that breakoffs due to stress, until exhausted(cell division halts) to the point of senescence, being buffers so that the information in the dna is preserved. then comes the 2009 Nobel discovery of enzyme called telomerase that may be responsible for the healing, repair of the Telomeres. while this enzyme is dormant or if not completely, its not active as it can be to its full potential. thus opening up the possibilities of increasing the hayflick limit. hence the practice of the ancients such as meditation etc..


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    #27151038 - 01/16/21 08:01 AM (3 years, 12 days ago)

e=mc2 anybody?


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    #27151050 - 01/16/21 08:09 AM (3 years, 12 days ago)

:hahthatsrich:


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: laughingdog]
    #27151281 - 01/16/21 11:22 AM (3 years, 12 days ago)

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Quote:

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...I have given up on this pure evolution ideology long time ago...






All ideologies are BS.

Newton had a model of the universe & physics that was good enough to get 'us' to the moon.

Now we use Einstein's model for GPS.

No ideology and no problem.

Darwin's model explains a lot and now epigenetics adds to our understanding. No ideology or belief is necessary.

It is the desire for certainty, that is dangerous, not the provisional nature of our knowledge.

Just a short while ago some of our DNA was called "junk" DNA, now we know some of it contains switches. Those with open minds keep learning.

Those who desire certainty, may end up being suicide bombers, -- strange stuff that so called 'certainty', dogma, belief & search for an authority to trust.




That was not me who said that. I was quoting someone else.


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    #27151509 - 01/16/21 01:24 PM (3 years, 12 days ago)

whoops - sorry for the mix up

.  I'm not sure what Morgan Freeman was supposed to have to do with evolution either; and of course as regards the OP's original question, evolution has no intentions, as is implied by his phrase: "What does evolution have in store for us.?"
.  In fact such a notion misses 2 very important points that are basic to the processes of evolution, whether we include epigenetics or not, (1) namely that it is totally impersonal, and (2) it is itself contingent on environments that are constantly changing, and for any species it's also contingent on how other species are changing at the same time.

.  The OP seems to have confused the idea of evolution with some ideas that conceive of God as a boss, who is separate from "his" creation.
.    When we begin to understand that the same processes that affect species evolution, also affect the genes at another level, and also neuronal pathways, such a simplistic view is seen to be so simple as to be a misunderstanding which renders the concept (of evolution) useless.


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    #27151938 - 01/16/21 06:09 PM (3 years, 12 days ago)

Agreed, but I was being poetic...lol.


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    #27152380 - 01/16/21 10:52 PM (3 years, 11 days ago)

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Is the end game of our species simply to be nothing more then seekers and destroyers? We started as bacteria..we all know what bacteria is best at. Sure we learn/gather/obtain knowledge, practice the arts, play our musical instrumentals, share some laughs and smiles; talk about how complicated or simple life is..bottom line we do a lot things..little things..and most people say those little things make the human race different and better then nature..what i am trying to say and ask..Are we protectors or destroyers?? Or simply both??




There is no end game in a manner of speaking.

What are bacteria best at? They are best at many things perhaps that we do not see.

Bacteria don't play musical instruments, but perhaps they are a sort of music of themselves. Some mathematicians think numbers are beautiful. How do bacteria feel about themselves? We do not really know. But as mentioned further down, other animals play. It's obvious to me they feel good. Why should bacteria not feel good? Because they have no nervous system? They are single cells. They don't need a nervous system. Perhaps nervous systems and other complex systems are just doing what cells were already doing. Specializing. Cells can specialize in multicellular organisms. But cells are complex in and of themselves. What is going on at the single cellular level? We don't know it all, but there are chemical reactions and biological functions. Many things. Multi-cellular life is just bigger, better, more it seems.

But logically, there is no inherent difference... is there?

So is there an end game? One might say survival, but that's not an end game. There then is pleasure. Pleasure is not an end game. Nor are power, love, truth, awareness or peace. The end game is to die after doing all the things. Everyone knows this is true I suspect. But before you die you can reflect and enjoy the memories.

Until then, do all the things. One thing at a time. One is being a flower, a speck of star dust, an orgasm, a song, a story. Play that musical instrument. See the beauty. Be the beauty. Is it not that which is beautiful? Be angry. Rage. Be the things. Sweat. Cry. Scream. What is there to do? All the things. To do the things is to be the things. To be the things, do the things! The end game does not happen sitting in a chair. Chairs are where one strategizes. Strategizing is but one thing. You can just be, but be what? You have a mind. It is capable of many things. Do the things.

And if one finds themselves in a cocoon? Be still in one's mind. There are things which are done that the mind cannot do. That too is a thing.

But what is it?

Is it on the tip of your tongue? Is it all the same thing?

Breathe. Grow. Be all the things in good time. Life is a game of chance unless you are to be a monk on the lonely mountain. What will you do? And will it be little? Or big? Or is there really a size when it comes to such things? “It is the time you have wasted for your rose that makes your rose so important.”


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    #27152460 - 01/16/21 11:37 PM (3 years, 11 days ago)



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    #27158144 - 01/19/21 07:17 PM (3 years, 9 days ago)

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Is the end game of our species simply to be nothing more then seekers and destroyers? We started as bacteria..we all know what bacteria is best at. Sure we learn/gather/obtain knowledge, practice the arts, play our musical instrumentals, share some laughs and smiles; talk about how complicated or simple life is..bottom line we do a lot things..little things..and most people say those little things make the human race different and better then nature..what i am trying to say and ask..Are we protectors or destroyers?? Or simply both??




A better question is why are some grown ups hung up on putting labels on life? Nobody does it when fucking or when really happy.
Or...Whenever there is real immersion in experiencing life (like down hill skiing).

So to play this silly game you first have to get unhappy. Then (2) disassociate from full embodied experiencing. Then (3) forget you have done this and (4) identify with the most serious thoughts possible and (5) equate seriousness with profundity.

Of course ego wants to ignore this, and appear to be the most profound.
"except yea become as children...
"easier for a rich man to pass through the eye of a needle...
and rich means: rich with opinions, meanings, philosophies...
you don't need Jordan Peterson to know which way the wind is blowing.


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