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Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us all..
    #27118994 - 12/31/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Is the end game of our species simply to be nothing more then seekers and destroyers? We started as bacteria..we all know what bacteria is best at. Sure we learn/gather/obtain knowledge, practice the arts, play our musical instrumentals, share some laughs and smiles; talk about how complicated or simple life is..bottom line we do a lot things..little things..and most people say those little things make the human race different and better then nature..what i am trying to say and ask..Are we protectors or destroyers?? Or simply both??


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: Mr. D Green]
    #27119009 - 12/31/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

"...Are we protectors or destroyers?? Or simply both??"

Neither
drop good and bad
just rest in the awesomeness of it all


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: laughingdog]
    #27119204 - 12/31/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

bacteria lives on among us, we are an exaltation to bacteria and a host of other beasties.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27119371 - 12/31/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

In other words, were just apart of what is? And shall always be is??

Meaning, we as humans are just another organism stacked in between smaller and larger organisms? We all live off each other as organic organisms? We have not yet evolved out of this stupid food chain?

Thus, darwinism is what we as a species live for? That is what conclusion I come to, but do not want to accept nor believe in. I am stuck, I am wrong right?? What am I missing?


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: Mr. D Green]
    #27119625 - 01/01/21 03:40 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Life other than human life, has only the goal of surviving long enough to reproduce.

So if you are looking for meaning, it must be a meaning that is relevant to a human self.

As a large part of what tripping is about is ego dissolution, that would seem to leave the notion that life needs meaning, on rather shaky ground, would it not?

It seems you find this prospect scary and wish to avoid what seems the obvious conclusion. I would guess many feel this way. And also that many felt this way in the past until tripping or some other immersive life experience liberated them from the notion, that the labels given to reality are more important than reality. Which is essentially what 'finding meaning' amounts to.

For those who desperately want to avoid confronting this, there are lots of religions eager to provide one size fits all, prepackaged meanings, in exchange for your ability to exercise critical thinking.

(Some may find it ironic, that in a sense, it is religion itself that steals souls, and not the supposed enemy: the devil).


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: laughingdog]
    #27119846 - 01/01/21 07:52 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

On the contrary, has nothing to do with emotions..you must understand this..I simply do not wish to let my "machine" side win. Meaning is the purpose of evolution to simply grow and keep growing endlessly? Or is evolution a means to an end, we evolve because we wish to experience new things? Thus we use knowledge and evolution to help us, and other life; thrive and connect better.

  "Life other than human life, has only the goal of surviving long enough to reproduce."

  If that were true, then why do other animals; such as deer. Play with one and another?? Or why do ravens have a hobby of collecting objects they like?? You might as well say humans only have a goal to survive as well..driving cars, talking about are day, even thinking about life does not separate us from other animals..


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: Mr. D Green]
    #27119885 - 01/01/21 08:26 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Well I could be all wrong,... but I think the societal ideal of evolution and darwinian evolution are two very different things. The "societally evolved" individuals who first arrived on the scene were usually killed off by the darwinian thugs of evolution. Christ, Socrates, blah blah blah. They had some pretty good ideas about how a society *should* run (caring for the weak, use of logic and reason rather than group-power, blah blah blah) but they ended up being removed from the gene pool.

I don't think social evolution is really evolution at all. More like just an ideal.

For a highly detailed explanation, load up on your favorite psychedelic and watch the 3 minute cartoon from Pearl Jam called "Do The Evolution". You will understand all.





As for religion... I don't think it fits into the discussion any more than a discussion of mathematics here. Most of us have their own religious biases, except for the truly agnostic, and even those low-bias individuals aren't always purely agnostic. For example, anyone who has a belief about what actually caused the big bang has a belief about the origin of the universe that (inherently) cannot be tested in repeatable experiments. Yet. So, that falls into the category of religion... not science. If Pearl Jam comes out with a cartoon explaining this question I will share it here so that we can all be enlightened.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: 5Graham]
    #27119902 - 01/01/21 08:36 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

The attractive woman who features throughout the video (who sometimes turns into a skeleton) seems to me to represent how evolution is driven by the need for sex, and while she appears to be friendly and beckoning, she is really uncaring and death is the final result anyways, and the survival of the most strong. There is really no difference between T-Rex chewing up another top predator, or a Roman despot marching over his enemies, or a group of savages united by their tribe, or their hatred, or their religion, or their lack of religion. The succession is all cruel and results in a dumb-looking guy laughing as he defeats his rival.

I think when the first oxygen-producing life poisoned the earth with massive amounts of O2, it resulted in the first mass extinction, and paved the way for us. Not sure why we should be considered any "better" or "worse" than those plants from a societal evolution yardstick.

But then again, I did eat a bunch of Himalayan mad honey last night and didn't sleep at all, and I could be just rambling a bunch of crazytalk as ignorant as the next guy. OK I see I just told everyone to watch a cartoon to understand the meaning of life. So. Yeah.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: Mr. D Green]
    #27119905 - 01/01/21 08:40 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

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In other words, were just apart of what is? And shall always be is??

Meaning, we as humans are just another organism stacked in between smaller and larger organisms? We all live off each other as organic organisms? We have not yet evolved out of this stupid food chain?

Thus, darwinism is what we as a species live for? That is what conclusion I come to, but do not want to accept nor believe in. I am stuck, I am wrong right?? What am I missing?




to say it is all darwinism is to deny what makes any honest person admit that we are just a part of what is.

so is darwinism. a part of the story. not a bad part either.

I did not see the Morgan Freeman talk/video, but he likely put on the schmaltzy dramatics as he is an amazing thespian.

our existence is part of a larger process yet to be more fully understood.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27120245 - 01/01/21 11:54 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

I find it challenging to use the word “us” with any weight or significance.  Who are “we” at this point.  Americans, races, Homo sapiens etc. Idk. 

Even through history it’s been a unimaginably vast melting pot of lives and experiences.  So I’m torn between the prospect that in a few thousand years everybody will be multi racial and virtually indistinguishable or perhaps even more distinguished and possibly even separated by planets and satellites.  The science fiction seems to prefer the latter but I guess you could synthesize that and say it will be simultaneous depending on the scale you want to view. 

So that’s where I think evolution is taking us.  Farther out and dispersed more complicated and vast etc. That’s the trajectory it wants to take

On the other hand maybe things will get complicated to a point of dysfunction and there will be a trendy desire to revert to the simplistic and fundamental.  So evolution wants balance and well being but will experiment and enterprise if feasible


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #27120300 - 01/01/21 12:17 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

We are potentially both protectors and destroyers as is very evident when you look at the effect we have on the world. The idea to strive for is that the protector, lifeloving spirit in us prevails over the darker aspects of our human nature.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27120366 - 01/01/21 12:52 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

I get much inspiration and clear warnings from the complexity of coral reefs, which our cities resemble in many ways.

We are vulnerable to subtle changes in the water temperature, and contents.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27120442 - 01/01/21 01:39 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Personally I find the biggest threat to the evolution of our species in technology. I fear that more and more people especially the new generations get hooked on entertainment via technologies. A certain kind of dystopia with dumbed down people like sheep living a technological entertained life is in my mind. Now that's probably just a fear of the worst, but certainly could happen.

On the other hand, technology is the biggest possibility to evolve individuals and masses alike.

The greatest impact on our so called evolution is the impact that a single human can potentially have.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27120604 - 01/01/21 03:14 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Darwinning! :winning:


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #27120615 - 01/01/21 03:21 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Um no. We never were bacteria.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: MycoBrainz]
    #27121171 - 01/01/21 09:27 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

I see, too much black n white evades my mind it seems..

Perhaps instead of picturing highly evolved beings either destroying all in their path or interacting with other life forms, I shall look up at the starry sky above; and think about how everything in this universe is connected and how beautiful that is. Then come back to this subject at another time when everything is not so black n white.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: Mr. D Green]
    #27121509 - 01/02/21 04:40 AM (3 years, 26 days ago)

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..and think about how everything in this universe is ...




Your whole "issue" is that you're over thinking, ... more won't help.

Nobody in their 'right mind' :laugh: worries about meaning while screwing or rock climbing or any intense involvement with life !
Or even while really enjoying a meal, you've got it all backwards, and then cling to your silly views and want to argue. But your, your own enemy at this point. I may be rude, but i'm not the cause of your imaginary "issue".

And your not the first, to get stuck in such nonsense, there's a whole book and movie, about a guy in the same boat, and what it takes for him to begin to wake up. "Zorba the Greek" , by Nikos Kazantzakis, published in 1946. Movie stars Anthony Quinn and is good.

What ever you do don't watch the movie or read the book, life might get too real, too quick for you, if that were to happen.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: laughingdog]
    #27130646 - 01/06/21 02:22 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

There is a new stuff in evolution store. Partaking is just rather ugly process of changing skins while doc watches. It is not for everyone. DOktA Sneik.


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #27130655 - 01/06/21 02:26 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

And that is what evolution is like. Oval process. With doktA. That is oval too. Fistbump for all fellas who still believe in children to be superb. And dogs as cool. And snakes as snakes. Fifty states as one oval and we still can't figure solution.
Edit: I've said it befo and I'll say it again, I am dumb and love my car. Let's take it back. I have no car. DUI. Oval issue. Call me silly, call me fool, only because I think about you. Seriously - yes. Evolution is a genre in big egodeathsuperdeemz trip library. It works. The magnitudes are however rather, uhmm, repelling. Nutshell. /Linkin Park - people like me walk on egshells all night long (or.smth).


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Re: Where are we headed? What does evolution have in store for us? Is Morgan Freeman right? Or simply a sell out..lying to us... [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #27130675 - 01/06/21 02:34 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Self patronized and prepaid "pardon", I will cross the line (I am a rare lurker, it is okay).

/So concerned with what you think to just say what we feel inside
So many people like me walk on eggshells all day long
All I know is that all I want is to feel like I'm not stepped on
There are so many things you say that make me feel you crossed the line
What goes up will surely fall and I'm counting down the time
'Cause I've had so many standoffs with you it's about
As much as I can stand so I'm waiting until the upper hand is mine/


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