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How risky is ordering 1-p lsd?
#27118929 - 12/31/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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Besides the obvious risk of it not showing up, how risky is it legally? Is it being monitored? Will you get put on a list? Anyone know more about this?
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Not sure but probably low risk for small amounts but more risk with large amounts. I had some shipped first class one time for "research purposes" and it got confiscated at customs. I never heard about it from an agency. Emailed the vendor and they sent another through regular ground mail which went through... it seems First class mail gets screened more often than ground mail. I don't know how accurate this statement is, but I've heard that if they do bust you, it will be when you bring it inside your house from the mailbox and have it in your possession. I've also heard that this rarely happens for small personal use quantities, those tend to just be confiscated.. but being busted is more likely if ordering large quantities that could potentially be sold.
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Re: How risky is ordering 1-p lsd? [Re: Rise against]
#27119007 - 12/31/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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How can they “bust you” anyways for something that isn’t illegal? And how can they legally confiscate something that isn’t illegal?
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InvisibleMind said: How can they “bust you” anyways for something that isn’t illegal? And how can they legally confiscate something that isn’t illegal?
Schedule 1 analog laws. They are infact illegal to consume, just as illegal as LSD. It is legal to study it with a microscope or testing how long it takes to break down in water or other experiments that don't require consumption. Would be hard to prove that it isn't for consumption unless you are a legit scientist.
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Re: How risky is ordering 1-p lsd? [Re: Rise against]
#27119033 - 12/31/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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But also impossible to prove it IS for consumption, so how can they do anything at customs or anything else unless they saw you put it on your tounge?
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Re: How risky is ordering 1-p lsd? [Re: Rise against]
#27119038 - 12/31/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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And why would be a somewhat safe amount to order 10tabs? 20? Where do you start getting into risky territory?
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Re: How risky is ordering 1-p lsd? [Re: Rise against]
#27119069 - 12/31/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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Drugs on paper like 1p, 1cp and LSD are very hard to detect in the mail.
As rise against said they can prosecute you under the federal analogue law in theory, but most if not all prosecutions have occurred on the vendor side where they were able to show vendor intent for consumption.
The bigger concern might be your state laws as some states have research chem laws above and beyond federal laws, similar to how spore prints are illegal in california and georgia.
Assuming that is not the case i have to point out that you can get LSD off the dark web domestically US 2 US often more cheaply than an analogue from an international research chemical vendor. Domestic mail receives much less scrutiny. There are very few if any active us based rc vendors with lysergamide.
If you did happen to have the poor luck of an international order getting seized at customs you will likely receive a "love letter", which will give you the option of letting them destroy it or attempting to claim it and prove legitimate reason like a dea importation id. Obviously you will not respond and it will get destroyed and no big deal. Except if you are someone who wants to seek government security clearance or even the tsa international program, in which case you may be confronted with the customs letter during an interview. You will deny any knowledge and likely get through assuming no other malfeasance in your file.
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Not sure, but they do seem to get confiscated quite regularly. I ordered 10 when mine got confiscated. Not sure where they might draw the line between personal use and large quantities. Probably best to assume less is better... Also if for some reason a cop does test 1p-lsd it WILL test positive as LSD. They aren't going to treat it any differently than LSD in that situation. There likely is some risk involved, but are they going to waste their time and energy over a small amount That isnt yet in anybodies possession ?
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InvisibleMind said: And why would be a somewhat safe amount to order 10tabs? 20? Where do you start getting into risky territory?
That is personal use territory, a sheet of 100 is where they start looking at you as a distributer.
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InvisibleMind said: And why would be a somewhat safe amount to order 10tabs? 20? Where do you start getting into risky territory?
That is personal use territory, a sheet of 100 is where they start looking at you as a distributer.
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Re: How risky is ordering 1-p lsd? [Re: Rise against]
#27119142 - 12/31/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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Made multiple orders a few years ago and all went through fine. Less than 10-15 hits per order. Bigger orders would make me nervous. Though I admit I was tempted to order a sheet of ald-52 when it was still available. That would last me more than a lifetime.
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So the worst that can happen is they just destroy it? Are you 100% sure about this? And if you order on the dark net and that gets discovered do they come arrest you or just destroy it as well? Still confused as to why they can seize it at customs. It isn’t illegal. Unless it’s testing Forbes LSD? In which case couldn’t they come after you for importing LSD? And how can they prosecute you under analogue law if there is no proof that it is for consumption?
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InvisibleMind said: So the worst that can happen is they just destroy it? Are you 100% sure about this? And if you order on the dark net and that gets discovered do they come arrest you or just destroy it as well? Still confused as to why they can seize it at customs. It isn’t illegal. Unless it’s testing Forbes LSD? In which case couldn’t they come after you for importing LSD? And how can they prosecute you under analogue law if there is no proof that it is for consumption?
You are probably right that there is no proof. But considering 99.99% of people buying it are buying it for consumption. So is anybody actually going to try to fight an "unjust" confiscation with an attorney? Lol probably not, it's easier to ask the vender for a resend
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Re: How risky is ordering 1-p lsd? [Re: Rise against]
#27119264 - 12/31/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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If it comes from another country the risk is higher, if it's within the US(or whatever country you may be in) the risk is practically 0%.
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InvisibleMind said: But also impossible to prove it IS for consumption, so how can they do anything at customs or anything else unless they saw you put it on your tounge?
No, but when the DA and prosecutors are asking you "did you intend to consume this substance" they know the answer, they are just seeing what you say. Unless you have an LLC, tons of documentation on your studies, etc. on hand when you got busted then they aren't going to believe you when you say that. They have enough proof to get charges hard enough to make you wanna take a plea deal.
or maybe I dunno you have like 10-30k in the bank and can afford a lawyer to take you to trial against the DA and prove that it wasn't for consumption.
eitherway small amounts are confiscated and it's not worth them tracking you down over that, but still, sketchy ya know? Sometimes they are in a bad mood and raid people over 50 hits.
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I only ordered 1p one time, years ago, in a quantity of 20, IIRC. It came in a standard white envelope. The strange thing is, when I grabbed it from my mailbox, someone had already opened the envelope. They slit the side. I don't know who opened it - customs, someone at the post office, or maybe it was accidentally placed in a neighbor's mailbox and they opened it. Who knows, but someone got into it. Kind of freaked me out. Whomever opened the envelope, they at least left all the 1p in there. I was also lucky that none of it fell out.
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Re: How risky is ordering 1-p lsd? [Re: jgotti]
#27120330 - 01/01/21 12:27 PM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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'is ordering the prodrug version of an illegal drug risky?'
Yeah, it is. Depends on what kind of risk you're willing to take. I think your biggest risk is losing money, not getting arrested. Google/research this stuff thoroughly rather than asking on a forum if you want to get to the bottom of this.
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Re: How risky is ordering 1-p lsd? [Re: jdawg333]
#27120360 - 01/01/21 12:50 PM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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Yeah basically it's a combination of a lot of things to cover the order. What you're doing is making it look like someone mailed you something without your involvement
That's the trick
Requires some effort to remain anonymous.
But yeah if you do it correctly you are essentially only risking money
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Re: How risky is ordering 1-p lsd? [Re: skOsH]
#27120928 - 01/01/21 06:36 PM (3 years, 26 days ago) |
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So just putting a fake name? I also thought about putting something like “current resident” or “valued customer” for the name. Lol.
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No do not use a fake name, use your real name.
What he means by anonyminity is hide evidence of you making the order. Some ideas;
use a VPN While on vpn establish a tutanota or proton mail that you will use for placing your order. Tumble your bitcoin or at least move to a wallet that is not tied directly to your person. For example if you buy btc via cashapp or paypal or another exchange it will be traceable to you. Some will transfer to local wallet and then on to the rc vendor directly. To go further you would tumble the btc or convert to monero through an offshore exchanger. This step would be highly recommended for darkweb, it maybe overkill for RCs. A tumbler or a blender is a broker who will take your btc and send different btc minus a fee to a place of your choosing. Just remember every move of the btc costs somthing so always plan for that. Clear browser after placing order or use a browser that is security centric.
Do all this and it should be very hard even with access to the vendor's server to directly prove you made the order.
Maybe some kid down the block knew your name and address and ordered it with plans to steal it from your mailbox before you got home from work. Maybe a jilted ex is trying to frame you, whatever you didn't order it and a search of your devices and a trace of the btc will not show evidence you did.
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Been a while since I ordered it, but I ordered from a vendor in Canada on several different occasions and each time it got to my mailbox just fine. I ordered 50 of them a couple of times too.
I don't know, I wasn't too worried about it. Maybe I should have been, but...I wasn't. There's just sooooooooo many packages that are on the move every single day. They can only truly look into a tiny miniscule sliver of a fraction of the packages that go around, and to me the only ones that they can even afford the time to actually look at with any level of suspicion is mail with some actual weight to it, and a sending of 1P has zero weight to it 
That said I guess if a certain vendor has been flagged then that would change things.
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Why not do all that and use a fake name? Using a fake name on mail isn’t illegal, the only laws around that is if you open a P.O. Box it has to be under a real name but you can put whatever you want as your name. I work at FedEx and people out shit like “mr wiggles” all the time lol.
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Fake names can raise alarms, they can also lead to mail not getting delivered. General consensus is to not do it.
Legally what difference do you think it makes when you accept mail from johnathan mcluvins instead of jonathan smith?
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How about this, do all the stuff mentioned above so the purchase isn’t traceable to you, then use a fake name, and once it arrives, hold onto it without opening it for a week or so, maybe write a little sticky note on it that says “return to sender this weekend” or something like that, wait enough time to where if you were going to get raided it would have happened, so if you do get raided, you can say it isn’t yours and you’ve were going to try to figure out who it was for, since you haven’t opened it, you can convincingly say that. With all that there is absolutely no way anyone could prove it’s yours. And if you dont get raided after a week or 2 your in the clear to open it and enjoy. How is anyone going to know it’s a fake name anyways?
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You do you bro. I am just telling you the general consensus is that using fake names is not recommended. What difference do you think it will make? If they come to your door with a warent they are going to arrest you either way.
P.s. if it makes you feel better some people create a fake business name and order with that. I suggest mailing yourself something to that name so that your order is not the first letter coming in with that name.
Think about, you probably get bills and that is about it, then a letter shows up from outside the country to a name not usually recieving mail at that address. Red flag.
And that is not even getting into the real possibility that customs has a list of people and addresses from a variety of sources like the irs that could be easily cross referenced and those not matching given extra scrutiny.
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InvisibleMind said: then use a fake name, and once it arrives, hold onto it without opening it for a week or so,
Sometimes the post office put a note in your mailbox and you have to go down and pick it up, showing ID. If you used a fake name you lose it forever. My mailman knows my name, he won't put a package addressed to someone else in my mailbox.
Use your real name and deny you ordered, your ex wife framed you. Using a fake name or sending to an abandoned house is stupid and overkill and if you claim to the vendor you never got it after doing stupid shit like that you suck.
It's not illegal but they charge people for sheets and expect them to plea out. This guy was charged with importing over 100 hits of ALD 52. People got caught in that wave because the vendor used the same packaging and return address for everything, and they found one first, then it was easy to find all of them. Very few people actually came forward to say they were charged, it was all reports of packages that didn't show.
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Re: How risky is ordering 1-p lsd? (moved) [Re: InvisibleMind]
#27125124 - 01/04/21 02:16 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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This thread was moved from The Psychedelic Experience.
Reason: Proper forum here.
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InvisibleMind said: How can they “bust you” anyways for something that isn’t illegal? And how can they legally confiscate something that isn’t illegal?
Schedule 1 analog laws. They are infact illegal to consume, just as illegal as LSD. It is legal to study it with a microscope or testing how long it takes to break down in water or other experiments that don't require consumption. Would be hard to prove that it isn't for consumption unless you are a legit scientist.
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InvisibleMind said: But also impossible to prove it IS for consumption, so how can they do anything at customs or anything else unless they saw you put it on your tounge?
They don't have to prove that you planned on consuming it, you have no legitimate reason to have it in your possession if you're not a legit scientist!!!!
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InvisibleMind said: How can they “bust you” anyways for something that isn’t illegal? And how can they legally confiscate something that isn’t illegal?
You'd think it should be impossible to prove a double negative. How on earth can they claim you weren't intending to use it for research? Why should you have to prove your scientific credentials at all if you're "innocent until proven guilty"? Plenty of people study chemistry without a degree.
But the US government is staffed with some real boneheaded folks. Cops thought donut crumbs were meth. And the system is already designed to put you under as much pressure as possible to entice you to plea to their demands. Best case, you'll do minimal time and waste a ton of money on a lawyer arguing the law is still grey.
I think people in this field need to get creative and start thinking about religious freedoms a little more differently. As well as the argument that real healthcare doesn't actually exist in America, so you should have the freedom to try whatever cure/solution to your ailment. The government shouldn't impede freedom of religion and human rights.
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