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ID Request: SF Bay Area
    #27118777 - 12/31/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Also - no rush - enjoy the new years, and to a healthy 2021 for all.

My second season here and a new potential patch found along irrigated landscaping while out on a jog.

Early prelim post on CA thread:
  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27112841#27112841

I'm a little curious if given some of the variations in the caps if there could be two species / subspecies of if this is natural variation to grow my knowledge.

Location: Cal SF Lower Peninsula

Habitat: woodchips in irrigated landscaping;
Other flora nearby:
  - Ornamental grasses
  - ~2m away: red flat medium mushrooms, possible: Leratiomyces ceres
  - ~1-2m away from one patch: brittle light tan small mushrooms, potential: Laccaria laccata

Stem:
  - no annulus / ring
  - white bruises blue; sturdy stem; (color darkened to blackish when dried);

Cap: Some variation here.
  - some wavey, some flatter and more smoothly radially symmetric (ex: B1&2 and A1)
  - Most are tan / caramel colored.  Some are lighter more of a tan (tan/cream when dry)
  - Many darkened by spores of neighbors.
  - Some bruising (blue + tan = blue-green) when handled and also tested for bruising.

Spore Print:
  - Dark purple/burgandy
  - Some had a harder time printing (due to age/drying out).  May make these into slurry.

Pics:

Environment:






Spore Prints ( Sheets: letter and specimen numbered)

A-C


D-E


F-G


I also do have photos available of start of print before hours of processing & extra water.


My initial / preliminary ID: P. alleni / P. Cyanescens, or perhaps I'll learn of a new candidate.

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Edited: fixed duplicate image in environment images.


Edited by myco-stargazer (12/31/20 06:17 PM)


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Re: ID Request: SF Bay Area [Re: myco-stargazer]
    #27118873 - 12/31/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

P.alleni I'd say.


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Re: ID Request: SF Bay Area [Re: Allium]
    #27118982 - 12/31/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Allenii


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Re: ID Request: SF Bay Area [Re: ZenZone]
    #27119018 - 12/31/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Yeah looks like allenii.


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Re: ID Request: SF Bay Area [Re: breeg89]
    #27119184 - 12/31/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

bow wow baby the worlds on fire!

boom boom.  boom boom.

p. alleni my good man!  leave any ones that are blackened entirely, but the ones that are water damaged that have a non black cap, just kinda split at the seams, are fine to take.  dry them over a low heat in a few hours they will be cracker dry.  make sure they are fully dry because they can rot within 2 days or a day.  but dried properly they are still fine.


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Re: ID Request: SF Bay Area [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27122765 - 01/02/21 07:50 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

:toast: Thanks to everyone for taking a look and sharing allenii ID.  :thumbup:


A follow up question:
* I keep in mind the potential look-alike of galerina marginata.  So while I continue to grow knowledge, I definitely keep this species / genus in mind.  As I looked at images, there's the top image here: https://mushroomobserver.org/name/show_name/266



does have a similar shape to a patch I saw in that group/area and plucked for spore print:

H: Before print



H:  After print:


So prints do look purple vs the cinnamon / rust expected for galerina.  And while I haven't printed a galerina I have printed other mushrooms that do print rust/brown, especially last year (my first year) where I was almost printing any mushroom to explore the process of ID'ing.

But I'm also aware that:
  - galerina while they do start with ring / annulus, they can drop off.
  - galerina doesn't bruise blue, but also may bruise black (image from mushroom observer above).

Would there be other standard sanity checks for avoiding / confirming not a galerina marginata?


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Re: ID Request: SF Bay Area [Re: myco-stargazer]
    #27122818 - 01/02/21 08:33 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

Galerina and allenii can look pretty much identical if you just spot the caps from a distance, but gill color and stipe color make it easy to tell.


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Re: ID Request: SF Bay Area [Re: breeg89]
    #27123765 - 01/03/21 12:11 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

@Breeg, thanks for the additional insights!
I remember you from last year (my first season) and your helpful comments on the CA thread.  Much appreciated!


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Re: ID Request: SF Bay Area [Re: breeg89]
    #27124397 - 01/03/21 05:35 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

breeg89 said:
Galerina and allenii can look pretty much identical if you just spot the caps from a distance, but gill color and stipe color make it easy to tell.




I agree - also gal's tend to have that thick bulky stem whereas allenis' always have that super thin taller stem.  Cyans can have a bulkier stem though.  And the bruising just is the biggest sign.

But do galerina autumns grow in mulch beds?  I thought that they were more of a grassy/wild/forest environment.


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Re: ID Request: SF Bay Area [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27124856 - 01/03/21 09:47 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

@Typerwritermonky:
Although I've heard galerinas are more common in grass or on decaying trees - I've heard different things with them in mulch beds/woodchips.  For example:
* in woodchips: https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/4748203 & https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/19252456 among others.
* Though I believe I also saw Alan Rockefeller comment that they are rare in landscaping in the bay area (though rare instances still can occur).

With some of the instances tagged as galerina marginata in the bay area on the iNaturalist site... it makes me think I have actually possibly seen some galerinas myself.  Possibly even in a similar area to the allenii (I'll go back an pick a specimen to see if they are galerina or tubaria.

This iNaturalist site is looking like a good resource to explore.


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Re: ID Request: SF Bay Area [Re: myco-stargazer]
    #27124960 - 01/03/21 11:05 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

You are absolutely correct.  They are very rare, but yes they can occur.  Generally though it's very rare to find them near each other, and even more rare to pick one within the direct vicinity.

Only once in my life did I see someone find galerinas within the immediate vicinity of galerinas in mulch beds or hear about it over a decade of scouring forums multiple times daily.  So its possible... moreso it's that you find a batch that looks like a psilocybe but is a galerina and they are near identical looking phenotypes.  Some dude was hunting in Australia that found some young galerina that looked exactly... and i mean... exactly like p. subs.  The only difference was lack of extensive bruising upon handling.  it was crazy.  So you really goota be careful, I tend to go over every mushroom 2 or 3 times to make sure they are all active and properly IDd.


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Re: ID Request: SF Bay Area [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27126912 - 01/04/21 07:15 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

@Typerwritermonkey
Thanks for the additional insights.  Agree with the blueing being a strong indicator.  And good recommendation to go over every mushroom 2-3 times.

Given I'm still a novice (2nd season) my caution / curiosity on galerinas is due to lack of experience and also not wanting to be skip questions that should be asked especially with amatoxin risk.  Last years Cyan finds were pretty clear (although blueing was less obvious when wet than I had expected)

I went back to check out another variety nearby there to see if it was a galerina... and it appears to be good 'ol Tubaria furfuracea (appearance, no annulus, light tan/orange print)

Thanks again for the good comments & happy hunting!


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Re: ID Request: SF Bay Area [Re: myco-stargazer]
    #27129123 - 01/05/21 07:22 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

I saw Galerina marginata in standard urban woodchip habitat a few days ago. In my experience, they are much more rare in this habitat than Hypholoma, Leratiomyces, Tubaria, allenii, cyans, etc, but it's essential to be aware that they do grow in the habitat.

And yeah, Tubaria are absolutely everywhere right now. Pretty much all I'm seeing the past few days.


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Re: ID Request: SF Bay Area [Re: breeg89]
    #27130138 - 01/06/21 11:17 AM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Oh look, a thread with all my favorite people! (I guess that's every thread isn't it)

Excellent submission stargazer! And the discussion in here is awesome.

P Allenii is the call it seems. As others have said if you have Allenii and Marginata that are nearly identical then bruising would be the only other macroscopic identifier, unless they have a distinctly different smell? Which could also be up to interpretation. Does anyone have experience here?

In my limited hunting experience this year I've seen all but Galerina in wood chips, also having been ID'ing with books and spore prints.

I'm actually kind of excited to find them, I need to get out into the woods more.

I have found Sulfur Tuft though, it felt retroactively dangerous handling them before I knew what they were, also exciting!


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Re: ID Request: SF Bay Area [Re: breeg89]
    #27130621 - 01/06/21 02:14 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

breeg89 said:

And yeah, Tubaria are absolutely everywhere right now. Pretty much all I'm seeing the past few days.




facts, more and more tubaria everywhere i look.


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Re: ID Request: SF Bay Area [Re: breeg89]
    #27131277 - 01/06/21 06:27 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

breeg89 said:
I saw Galerina marginata in standard urban woodchip habitat a few days ago. In my experience, they are much more rare in this habitat than Hypholoma, Leratiomyces, Tubaria, allenii, cyans, etc, but it's essential to be aware that they do grow in the habitat.

And yeah, Tubaria are absolutely everywhere right now. Pretty much all I'm seeing the past few days.




Yeah i found tubaria everywhere in the same area my patches are, where usually id expect actives because its the same environment and so close!  But nope.


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Re: ID Request: SF Bay Area [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27132022 - 01/07/21 12:17 AM (3 years, 21 days ago)

Tubaria is the worst when it gets the nice wavy cap. Beautiful, but such a tease.


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