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Pastywhyte’s EZ dialed monotub colonization vs fruiting
    #27118661 - 12/31/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

I’m trying Pastywhyte’s EZ Dialed mono tubs, but I can’t understand if there is only one step once the substrate and the colonized grain are mixed or two. Do I just leave the bin the way that it is untouched until I see pins? I mixed it in the tub on 12/22 and it is not yet fully colonized. My house is very dry, and the substrate looked dry, so I’ve missed it a few times as well. I also started a humidifier in the same room to try to increase the humidity in the room.

Do I just leave it even though it looks dry or should the substrate look glisteny with water droplets?

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Re: Pastywhyte’s EZ dialed monotub colonization vs fruiting [Re: BobBee]
    #27118841 - 12/31/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Can cover holes with a layer of micropore tape to retain humidity.

I typically start seeing pins at around day 12-14 when spawning to fruiting conditions.

Droplets begin forming when close to 100% colonization, IME.


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Re: Pastywhyte’s EZ dialed monotub colonization vs fruiting [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27118858 - 12/31/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Pasty himself lives in a very dry climate.
I think your issue could be that maybe you prepped the bulk substrate on the dry side, how'd prep it?

One thing you can do right now to ameliorate the situation is tape all the holes and leave only the upper ones uncovered, like in the pic. Until you see pins.



Not that I need to do that with regular cubes, these are PE and need a different strategy for me.

If you do everything right you could just fruit at spawning until you see pins.


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Re: Pastywhyte’s EZ dialed monotub colonization vs fruiting [Re: Josex]
    #27118935 - 12/31/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Substrate was one red brick size block of coir, 3 quarts of vermiculite, 2 cups of gypsum, 4.5 quarts of water. I also pressure cook this mixture. I’m not sure if that would dry it out more.

Taping up the bottom holes now.


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Re: Pastywhyte’s EZ dialed monotub colonization vs fruiting [Re: BobBee]
    #27118937 - 12/31/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Can you take pics? That's how I prep it too, without sterilizing.

But PC'ing ain't gonna get the substrate dry at all, used to do it a lot time ago with no issues.


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Re: Pastywhyte’s EZ dialed monotub colonization vs fruiting [Re: Josex]
    #27118967 - 12/31/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

2 full.cups of gypsum?

Seems like a lot?

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I might use 1/4 cup gypsum for a brick, 2 quarts verm, 4 quarts boiling water.

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Re: Pastywhyte’s EZ dialed monotub colonization vs fruiting [Re: HamHead]
    #27118985 - 12/31/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Yea gypsum is totally redundant and 2 cups is a lot though it won't hurt. Use it if you have it, otherwise it's a waste of money and space. I like to use it for peat-based casings. so it gets thrown into the bucket too to prep coir.


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Re: Pastywhyte’s EZ dialed monotub colonization vs fruiting [Re: Josex]
    #27119120 - 12/31/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

I always have a terrible time getting good pictures of my tubs but here we go! I have been misting and fanning


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Re: Pastywhyte’s EZ dialed monotub colonization vs fruiting [Re: BobBee] * 1
    #27119563 - 01/01/21 01:56 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

That surface looks a bit roughed up. I think you went a bit heavy on those mistings and maybe they were not called for to begin with. If you mist the surface early and repeatedly it gets matted like that and myc loses its capacity to hold those beads of moiusture you are looking for.

Don't trip over not seeing obvious beads of moisture at first, they usually start to appear naturally later on when the colony gets ready for fruiting. No obvious beads doesn't necessarily mean the surface is dry.

Ideally you want a tub to be set and forget, so no misting should be required unless it really needs it. Also, fanning is completely unnecessary, your tub is getting constant passive FAE by itself and that's what matters.

I would just let it be, no more mistings and maybe tape some holes until you start seeing pins.


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Re: Pastywhyte’s EZ dialed monotub colonization vs fruiting [Re: Josex] * 1
    #27119635 - 01/01/21 03:51 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

i’ve missed too early & had exactly what josex describes. misting early really seemed to fuck with my flushes & the over all colonization of my tubs when i did it. i’ve found personally it’s easier for me to watch when the coir itself starts to look dry vs. seeing beads early in colonization. if you use coir as a top layer at spawn it should help retain moisture better too. i live in a super dry climate too & i’ve run monos really well without taping up the holes, though i should try it one day to see if it’s any better. i run shoeboxes/sweater boxes no problem tho. i've found adding a slightly thicker layer of coir on top of your fresh mixed sub at spawn & then giving it a heavy misting immediately after is a good way to help make sure your surface stays nice & moist when you live in a more arid environment


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Re: Pastywhyte’s EZ dialed monotub colonization vs fruiting [Re: Josex]
    #27119732 - 01/01/21 06:11 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Thanks. I’m going to leave it alone and not fuss over it!!


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Re: Pastywhyte’s EZ dialed monotub colonization vs fruiting [Re: BobBee] * 1
    #27120579 - 01/01/21 02:55 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

not fussing over it is the way mushrooms should be grown! they’re really easy, people like to make things more complicated than they need to be most of the time. good luck :smile:


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Re: Pastywhyte’s EZ dialed monotub colonization vs fruiting [Re: Josex]
    #27123314 - 01/03/21 07:17 AM (3 years, 25 days ago)

PINS!!!! Thanks for the encouragement to just leave it the hell alone lol!!


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Re: Pastywhyte’s EZ dialed monotub colonization vs fruiting [Re: BobBee] * 1
    #27123559 - 01/03/21 10:17 AM (3 years, 25 days ago)

I always say mushrooms do best when you set em up for success and then leave them the fuck alone. They do best when you don’t love em to death.

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Re: Pastywhyte’s EZ dialed monotub colonization vs fruiting [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27124162 - 01/03/21 03:08 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

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They do best when you don’t love em to death.





That's a hell of a sentence. It sums it all up neatly. :thumbup:


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