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Re: The Simulated Universe [Re: Warrk]
    #27112236 - 12/28/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)



If we are here now - which I assume we are, at minimum I am, then we aren’t somewhere else.  Therefore the OG is “somewhere else” which provides sufficient description


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Re: The Simulated Universe [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #27112290 - 12/28/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

As creatures of reason we examine evidence.
As immature creatures of emotion (kids) we try to alway get our way.

As creatures of reason we know, now, that all of perceived "reality" is only an approximate model in our brain, distorted further by our biases. In reality of course it is dark inside the skull ! :smile:

But we also know, a lot about evolution, and how our human brains evolved.

So yes on the one hand its all a bunch of simulations, and as social creatures, we assume our agreed upon perceptions tell the whole story, (which of course they don't).

.  But on the other hand as creatures of reason we also know not to be megalomaniacs, and assume others are just figments of our imagination.
.  That would be psychopathic and selfish. Generally anybody that acts that selfishly, ends up in "shit creak" if they ever need help.
This tends to decrease indulgence in such nonsense.
(However, strangely, POTUS seems to be an exception, (of course all the pardons and favors to the rich, are a form of insurance for times of need); otherwise he too would have to pay the price of megalomania.)


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Re: The Simulated Universe [Re: laughingdog]
    #27112332 - 12/28/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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As creatures of reason we examine evidence.
As immature creatures of emotion (kids) we try to alway get our way.





There’s something about this claim that ought to be hotly contested.  I’m not sure why you equate children with emotion.

It might be that emotion is what informs me to help a crippled lady across the street.  Otherwise why bother if my being wasn’t in some illogical way manipulated by the situation?  The simulation might be tossed aside as something moot without an emotional presence.  Granted it’s connected- reason, emotion, physicality but relegating emotion to children is something I CANNOT STAND FOR


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Re: The Simulated Universe [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #27113132 - 12/28/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So the question is..

Can we ascertain how much freedom we have.. so that if we are living in a simulation.. we know how to act..


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Re: The Simulated Universe [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #27114720 - 12/29/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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  I’m not sure why you equate children with emotion.




Whatever...it seemed to fit at the time...there are some reasons to do so...
but the main point I was making was not dependent on whether one thinks, this true or false, or could be turned into a paragraph if writing a book.

.  The main point is quite simple. It is simply noted that societies, especially ones that are close to nature, for good reasons do not encourage deviant behavior, particularly if based on the selfish idea that others are imaginary.
.  My stating this, is really nothing new or radical. It is more of a simple reminder to those, who get lost in flights of fantasy. Since it is something we all already know, there seems little reason to go into more and more detail in this regard.
.  Once people stop to think about the ramifications of this line of thought, one assumes the momentary infatuation with what seemed an exciting idea: namely that the universe maybe 'simulated' loses its false charm.


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Re: The Simulated Universe [Re: laughingdog]
    #27116309 - 12/30/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It’s a reasonable assertion that societies “other people” do not encourage deviant behavior based on the premise that they are fictitious. 

But this is about the idea of whether we are living in a simulation or not.  If I am imaginary then so are you.  Who said anything about deviancy?  Granted in the video game Grand Theft Auto due to its fictional nature deviancy abounds but I think this is because the game is wired in a way that encourages it.  Hypothetically do you agree that life being a simulation encourages deviant behavior?


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Re: The Simulated Universe [Re: Warrk]
    #27117141 - 12/30/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Why I think it is interesting is because it helps explain personal experiences that I cannot otherwise figure out. Why do we feel, see and experience a different realm of existence when we're tripping balls? What are these other beings/entities that appear in our altered states of consciousness?




When your "tripping balls"...your body's natural state of senses are changed...when you fuck with your conscious and subconscious, your just changing the current flow of your thinking...it's like saying why does staring at the ocean from a high above cliff make these up lifting energies surge through my body...or why does eating certain things make me able to see ghosts...dont over think stuff or let others over think for you...were not stationary statues..everything you do changes your current state of being..were highly evolved organisms..


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Re: The Simulated Universe [Re: Mr. D Green]
    #27117587 - 12/31/20 06:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I like "don't let others over think for you" but how do you know what they are thinking?


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Re: The Simulated Universe [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27117756 - 12/31/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

so do your best because we are surrounded by people who affect us


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Re: The Simulated Universe [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27117759 - 12/31/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

hopefully what is inside other peoples minds does not fall out all over the floor.


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Re: The Simulated Universe [Re: Ferdinando] * 1
    #27117764 - 12/31/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

it easily cascades into too much drugs and violence
we feel our future
if I do this
so what happens must be of as high a qaulity
not running away is hugely beneficial
they really do take away
so keep the work there
and the positive pursuits
and don't let it cascade into more drugs
and especially not violence
you can see what is happening see/feel it
so be serious be honest
don't be a victim of working less and destroying more


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Re: The Simulated Universe [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27117846 - 12/31/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

anyway,
the present is full of all you need
don't worry about impacts in the future now that you understand,
focus on the world and what ferdinando is doing.


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