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Allenii? PNW * 2
    #27114632 - 12/29/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 30 days ago)

Habitat:
Where does it grow? Eg. woods, pasture, state, province, country, altitude, etc. What does it grow on? Eg. soil, dung, wood (dead, living, what kind of wood?), etc.
Wood chips. Degraded years old for sure
Gills:
Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc.

Stem:
Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc.

Cap:
Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.

Spore print color:
Very important!
Dark brown- purple

Bruising:
Color that the mushroom bruises, if any.
Black to purple

Other information:
Scent of the mushroom, anything else you think is important, large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills.


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: spacecadetCID]
    #27114668 - 12/29/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 30 days ago)

Looks more like Leratiomyces percevalii, not seeing any bruising


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: Moria841]
    #27114683 - 12/29/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 30 days ago)

None of them have the ring or stipe like the species you mentioned. I’ve found so many allenii, just years back. I drove by this enormous patch and thought no way... just want to confirm any suspicion. I’m taking a full spore print rn


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: spacecadetCID]
    #27114685 - 12/29/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 30 days ago)

Found about 2 miles from the beach in central Oregon


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: spacecadetCID]
    #27114823 - 12/29/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 30 days ago)

Not looking like Psilocybe sp to me. No need to do a spore print it’s purple brown as seen on the cap in pic 1.

The edge of the underside of the caps looks thinner than allenii to me also. Unless there is evident bluing I’d toss them and keep looking.


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #27114844 - 12/29/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 30 days ago)

Sweet! Thank you for the advise dudes 😃


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: spacecadetCID]
    #27114864 - 12/29/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 30 days ago)

Perhaps it's the lighting that is giving the photos a warm hue making it difficult to see the bluing if there is any.


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: GroundGrown] * 1
    #27115583 - 12/30/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 29 days ago)

Hypholoma is possible


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: bloodycarcass]
    #27116023 - 12/30/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 29 days ago)



Updated photos with some better lighting (not sun washed out)


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: spacecadetCID]
    #27116038 - 12/30/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 29 days ago)

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Cyans found in 2014 for comparison


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: bloodycarcass]
    #27116113 - 12/30/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 29 days ago)

The spore print is different from these, as well as its color.
the black brusing on them is quite similar to allenii I have found in years past.


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: spacecadetCID]
    #27116190 - 12/30/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 29 days ago)

When you look down the stipe do you see a blue shimmer on the surface?

I’m just not seeing any blue in the pics so as others have suggested it seems more like
Leratiomyces, or Hypholoma.


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #27116361 - 12/30/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 29 days ago)

Both of the mushrooms suggested have a different taxonomy than what I have found. There is a shimmer of dark purple to black where bruising has occurred.


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: spacecadetCID]
    #27116372 - 12/30/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 29 days ago)

you can try to convince yourself all you want, but those are not psilocybes.


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: Allium]
    #27116493 - 12/30/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 29 days ago)

More so curious, as I’ve gotten a positive identification from another source. Looking for more confirmations. I’m not really a noob when it comes to this. But I do absolutely appreciate your 2 cents


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: Allium]
    #27116507 - 12/30/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 29 days ago)

No one is calling you a noob, but if you are so certain, why don't you eat them ?

I can't tell the genus in question, most likely Leratiomyces or Hypholoma, but the family I'm pretty confident is Strophariaceae.
And Psilocybe genus is not in it.


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: spacecadetCID]
    #27116591 - 12/30/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 29 days ago)

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spacecadetCID said:
More so curious, as I’ve gotten a positive identification from another source. Looking for more confirmations. I’m not really a noob when it comes to this. But I do absolutely appreciate your 2 cents




I also wasn't trying to be a dick either, but I have seen some persistent people on here :grin:  Boy I wish I could find that old thread years back where everyone tried to convince a guy his mushrooms weren't active and he clearly took a blue marker and marked on the stipe, and he was like see there is blue bruising :rotfl:


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: Allium]
    #27116624 - 12/30/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 29 days ago)

😂☠️ I tossed em anyways. When I’m doubt,... but yeah I’ve found them many of times but the lack of significant blueing was what was throwing me off. In the past some of my specimens didn’t bruise blue but were from patched that had provided bluing ones before hand. Perhaps just dry and didn’t blue? Not worth my liver so in the bin 😂


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: Allium]
    #27116662 - 12/30/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 29 days ago)

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Quote:

spacecadetCID said:
More so curious, as I’ve gotten a positive identification from another source. Looking for more confirmations. I’m not really a noob when it comes to this. But I do absolutely appreciate your 2 cents




I also wasn't trying to be a dick either, but I have seen some persistent people on here :grin:  Boy I wish I could find that old thread years back where everyone tried to convince a guy his mushrooms weren't active and he clearly took a blue marker and marked on the stipe, and he was like see there is blue bruising :rotfl:





I Got You Allium, Took A Little Digging But I Found It, I Was Interested In Reading It Myself.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12777413/fpart/1/vc/1


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: MpSeph]
    #27116690 - 12/30/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 29 days ago)

You are the man!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait to reread this when I get home from work! I need the humor right now :awesomenod: Thanks buddy!


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: Allium]
    #27116695 - 12/30/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 29 days ago)

Just When I Thought I'd Seen It All :lol:
No Prob :rockon:


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: MpSeph]
    #27117460 - 12/31/20 02:22 AM (3 years, 28 days ago)



These are Hypholoma marginatum.  I found these on the central Oregon coast yesterday as well.

They look really awesome in ultraviolet light.


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #27117471 - 12/31/20 02:29 AM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Alan, You Find Mushrooms In Reality That I Could Only Vision In A Trip, Amazing Find/Shot :cheers:


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: MpSeph]
    #27117531 - 12/31/20 04:37 AM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12777413/fpart/1/vc/1



This is hilarious 🤣 Almost as if he was trolling...

But to be fair, this thread is no like it, this here OP was a little defying, but he acted rationally, tossed them, even before he had Rockefeller chime in.


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27117664 - 12/31/20 07:20 AM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

MpSeph said:
Just When I Thought I'd Seen It All :lol:
No Prob :rockon:




Man, that sure brought back the memories, haha! I don't know how the heck you found that though :thumbup:

Quote:

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Quote:

MpSeph said:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12777413/fpart/1/vc/1



This is hilarious 🤣 Almost as if he was trolling...

But to be fair, this thread is no like it, this here OP was a little defying, but he acted rationally, tossed them, even before he had Rockefeller chime in.




Yes, his was nothing like that, but I was just exclaiming of how persistent some people can be, and I thought of that old thread.

I read that long ago back when I was a lurker,and never forgot it.


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27117668 - 12/31/20 07:21 AM (3 years, 28 days ago)

😂 it was primarily curiously, I grow my own and don’t need the ones I forage for any more but it was quite a shock of it was what I had thought. Just up here visiting fam so I wouldn’t even be able to collect many of they were in fact allenii 😆

Thank you Allen! I wish I had a black light to check these out with!!


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #27117719 - 12/31/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

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These are Hypholoma marginatum.  I found these on the central Oregon coast yesterday as well.

They look really awesome in ultraviolet light.




That's far out, and a pretty ingenious way to spread your spores too I might add.


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: Allium]
    #27118416 - 12/31/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

I Found It Through Another Thread, Where Someone Else Was Talking About It & They Had Posted A Link To It.

I Searched Keywords Like "Blue Marker Stem" In The Search Engine, It Was Luck.


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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: MpSeph]
    #27118422 - 12/31/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)



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Re: Allenii? PNW [Re: MpSeph]
    #27118438 - 12/31/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

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This Is The Thread

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16132032#16132032




Hahahaha! man, that is classic!


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