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if this needs to be moved to conspiracy theory, my apologies for posting it here
Trumps aggenda these last 4 years imo
- put China on economic notice and strengthen our presence in Southeast Asia - kill environmental protections to create self-sustinence in key industries, i don't like it but i get it sadly enough - meet with North Korea to see if they would be ok with the US invading China - tell Putin that we could all invade China if he had our backs and we could make a bigger 'country' - the US invades China in Trump's not happening 2nd term, takes over China with Russia holding the line and the oceans cut off
these are just impressions after these last 4 years, for discussion
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Trump is not capable of strategic thinking
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i don't think that's true, and i have no idea why anyone would make a plan like that, but that's one scenario i have to date
i know it's crazy, shit's crazy, it's bananas
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Invading China would be a very very very bad thing for the US. No one would win that war.
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America in its present state invading China would be suicide.
Here's a conspiracy theory: What if Trump knows damn well that global warming is a thing, which is why he offered to buy greenland because soon the ice would be gone and they'd be close to all the oil currently under the then-gone polar ice cap?
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Re: what if Trump... [Re: masspan]
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It's true that Trump put China on economic notice, but it didn't benefit us. (Just like Trump put Canada on economic notice and it didn't benefit us). From everything I've read China's corona era economic recovery is outpacing all other nations.
It's difficult to determine it's significance at this time but China and Russia recently held joint military exercises. I don't think it will lead to WWIII or anything, but I think they are making plans to exert increased influence over weaker countries in their side of the world, and we are not in good shape to stop them.
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mndfreeze said: Invading China would be a very very very bad thing for the US. No one would win that war.
Yep. Exactly. We won't invade China until the 2030s, at least.
With how China played COVID, they're expected to become the world's biggest economy and unseat the US in 2028. Until that happens, there will not be a war.
After that happens, given a few years of propaganda, It seems reasonable to assume that the US would try to do the national equivalent of a suicide bombing against China.
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Brian Jones said: It's true that Trump put China on economic notice, but it didn't benefit us. (Just like Trump put Canada on economic notice and it didn't benefit us). From everything I've read China's corona era economic recovery is outpacing all other nations.
It's difficult to determine it's significance at this time but China and Russia recently held joint military exercises. I don't think it will lead to WWIII or anything, but I think they are making plans to exert increased influence over weaker countries in their side of the world, and we are not in good shape to stop them.
What exactly is "economic notice", because the US continued trade basically as normal under Trump.
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Yep. Exactly. We won't invade China until the 2030s, at least.
With how China played COVID, they're expected to become the world's biggest economy and unseat the US in 2028. Until that happens, there will not be a war.
After that happens, given a few years of propaganda, It seems reasonable to assume that the US would try to do the national equivalent of a suicide bombing against China.
China is allreaddy the most powerful country. America is nolonger a super power especially when we owe china so much money.
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masspan said: if this needs to be moved to conspiracy theory, my apologies for posting it here
Trumps aggenda these last 4 years imo
- put China on economic notice and strengthen our presence in Southeast Asia - kill environmental protections to create self-sustinence in key industries, i don't like it but i get it sadly enough - meet with North Korea to see if they would be ok with the US invading China - tell Putin that we could all invade China if he had our backs and we could make a bigger 'country' - the US invades China in Trump's not happening 2nd term, takes over China with Russia holding the line and the oceans cut off
these are just impressions after these last 4 years, for discussion
trump dont want no smoke with china same with biden if we are smart we will leave china alone.
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It's difficult to determine it's significance at this time but China and Russia recently held joint military exercises. I don't think it will lead to WWIII or anything, but I think they are making plans to exert increased influence over weaker countries in their side of the world, and we are not in good shape to stop them.
What exactly is "economic notice", because the US continued trade basically as normal under Trump.
You're right. On further review Obama did quite a bit of this that I wasn't aware of. Trump played it up a lot more rhetorically: "I'm the tariff President", "I'm great at trade wars".
Economists take on the effect of tariffs is that they do benefit American producers, but all things considered they lead to higher prices for American consumers.
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Trumps aggenda these last 4 years imo
- put China on economic notice and strengthen our presence in Southeast Asia - kill environmental protections to create self-sustinence in key industries, i don't like it but i get it sadly enough - meet with North Korea to see if they would be ok with the US invading China - tell Putin that we could all invade China if he had our backs and we could make a bigger 'country' - the US invades China in Trump's not happening 2nd term, takes over China with Russia holding the line and the oceans cut off
these are just impressions after these last 4 years, for discussion
trump dont want no smoke with china same with biden if we are smart we will leave china alone.
America is not just number one super power because of our enriched nation. Transparency about corruption is a huge thing in becoming considered a super power and China would have to address a lot wrong with the way they operate to even get close to being greater than our nation. America is a phenomenon of human progress more than it is just a country.
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If that's the standard, we're slipping fast.
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It' a factor that is considered. Military power and experience is another factor. Economically we have the most potential because of our culture. America is just a marketplace run by the market. It may not always be nice but it works for the most part. Entitlement does run rampant but that happens when toxic perspectives spread like wildfire. I like to study what the rest of the developing world is all about and would love to learn about a country or culture that has the level of freedom and opportunity America has if you would point me in the right direction?
Unless you mean humans as a whole? I disagree. I see more and more amazing discovery by humans and people going through growing pains. Typically, in history times get really chaotic when things are growing and changing rapidly. Looking at the bright side of whats going on can be just as relieving and inspiring as looking at the dim side can be daunting and hard to overcome.
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At this point, pretty much any developed country has more freedom and opportunity than the US. Additionally, I'd add some other countries like China to the list.
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China has a long way to go in transparency and in human rights.
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You mean like how the US military is no longer required to disclose civilians deaths caused by US military actions outside of "designated combat zones"?
It's like the argument that drone strikes went down under Trump: if you look at the numbers, sure, they did. They went from a positive number to no number, because the Trump administration got rid of the requirement to disclose the number of drone strikes.
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Try looking into what China does to it's own citizen's.
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They harvest the organs of executed prisoners?
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I was thinking more along the lines of jailing journalists trying to expose what is really going on in China but the organ harvesting execution vans are also a something to consider I guess.
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Do Chinese police kill citizens in the street for being suspects in minor crimes?
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What do you mean "level of freedom"? I think most of the developed world has the same level of freedom that US citizens have. I struggle to understand why some US citizens seem to think they've got the monopoly on freedom.
Genuinely, if someone could tell me specifically what this freedom is that would be great.
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They sure do .
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After attempting to film chengguan clashing with local villagers over illegal dumping by the former, Wei was taken into a vehicle and beaten to death by about thirty officers.[2]
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After attempting to film chengguan clashing with local villagers over illegal dumping by the former, Wei was taken into a vehicle and beaten to death by about thirty officers.[2]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_China
True, just not to the extent that US Police go around killing citizens.
I'll not link the page as I doubt we have accurate figures on Chinese state brutality for accurate comparison. It's fair to say that China's treatment of it's own citizens doesn't seem to be demonstrably much worse than the US, at least in terms of state agents killing citizens.
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America is number 6 on the list for best places to run a business. The potential there alone is virtually limitless. The best countries all use capitalism. America is not even a self centered nation either. We trade with the top 5 of the list I mentioned. We work with other like minded countries to guide them to a market based economy of the people. We lead by example. Even when we put someone into power that can not handle it we can vote them out. Do not get dumbed down by the media and realize that America is a lot deeper than what articles and news clips would lead some to believe.
Think much deeper than what you see.
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The best places to run a business tend to be the worst places to live.
That's because it's easier to run a business when there are no pesky laws requiring you to, ya know, pay your workers and shit.
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Where do you get your information from?
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The fact that Virginia is currently simultaneously ranked the best state for business and the worst state for workers comes to mind.
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I see that you mean less regulations regarding workers rights. That doesn't mean it is a bad place to live. Virginia is not even close to the worst place to live in the USA. It ranks pretty high actually. Less regulation usually means its even easier to operate a business while not being a corporation https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/virginia#:~:text=Virginia's%20economy%20is%20as%20diverse,technology%20companies%20of%20the%20suburban
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings
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I didn't say "worst place to live", I said "worst place for workers". Plenty of business owners living large in Virginia.
Virginia is currently ranked 50th of 50 on wages, 49th or 50 on worker protections, and 48th of 50 on rights to organize by workers.
All of which is absolutely fantastic for owning a business.
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Looking on the situation from that perspective is not fully informed on the market the people in virginia live under. Those wages are usually suited for the local economy and the people adjust to that market. Virginia has a pretty low poverty rate. Single digit percentage. Seems the wages don't matter, the market and economy of an area does though. Minimum wage jobs give room for growth. Not a lot of people can see that perspective though. Opportunity is much more valuable than a cushy wage.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/233093/us-poverty-rate-by-state/
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Minimum wage in virginia: 7.25$
Minimum wage required to afford rent+food in virginia without government subsidies in a 40 hour workweek: 27.83$ (for a family of four)
Your taxes go to subsidizing the corporations that underpay you.
What kind of "opportunity" does flipping burgers provide?
This is why I don;t want kids. The ROI sucks.
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Start a business.
If you have a family on minimum wage then make yourself more marketable if you can not make ends meet. There are more often than not plenty of opportunities. People are more often than not un-skilled and show no sign of growth on top of being entitled to wages of people who have had to learn a multitude of skills, specialize, or become certified to get to where they have earned financial security. Also our market is designed to motivate us to be better not get stuck in mindless corporate run gigs and find a business or field to grow in or more importantly along with. Perspective is everything. I have faced my own struggles in our markets and have learned what it takes to overcome the adversity mostly by knowing that money is not the most important factor to look at. Marketability is.
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Lol, that way, you can be in debt when Amazon decides to delist your product and replace it with an identical Amazon brand substitute.
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Where are all the posts about TDS now?
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...what if the next effect of Trump is bombings in medium profile places, assuming the biggest cities are in lockdown, perpetrated by domestic terrorists, what might that look like, and how fast will that get squashed?
anyone agree that organizing to kill Americans is ever a good idea? go fuck yourself, clean though
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Re: what if Trump... [Re: masspan]
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One things for certain, the Secret Service will have to be on point, like no other time in modern history.
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Not likely. I'm sure Obama was a challenge far greater than Biden will be.
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Re: what if Trump... [Re: masspan]
#27140647 - 01/10/21 08:15 PM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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masspan said: ...what if the next effect of Trump is bombings in medium profile places, assuming the biggest cities are in lockdown, perpetrated by domestic terrorists, what might that look like, and how fast will that get squashed?
anyone agree that organizing to kill Americans is ever a good idea? go fuck yourself, clean though
hard to anticipate what level of stupid these extremists WON'T sink to. Whatever they do or don't do, the Trump influence will be felt for years and some horrible mutant offspring of his cult will emerge with or without the republican party in my view.
organizing to kill any civilian population is obviously morally bankrupt, but there does come a point where force is required. Not against a general population, but against violent insurrectionists wherever they pop up.
I would rather they snapped out of it or better yet, learned something about why their country is in turmoil and actually contributed to bettering it. But that seems exceedingly unlikely.
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Re: what if Trump... [Re: Enlil]
#27140658 - 01/10/21 08:18 PM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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It is close to a wash; many more Trumpers running amuck nowadays.
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Re: what if Trump... [Re: Ezuma] 2
#27140664 - 01/10/21 08:20 PM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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The alt right are out there. They're angry, stupid, and they feel like victims because their white privilege is eroding. They will escalate. They can't be educated and they aren't going to suddenly become rational.
The best way to deal with them is to get them out in the open where we can identify and contain them.
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Re: what if Trump... [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: The alt right are out there. They're angry, stupid, and they feel like victims because their white privilege is eroding. They will escalate. They can't be educated and they aren't going to suddenly become rational.
The best way to deal with them is to get them out in the open where we can identify and contain them.
I agree with that, but we will see how easy to contain they are.
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Re: what if Trump... [Re: Enlil]
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Is it smart to reduce apps.... like Parlor being taken down; how to balance the reduction in the spewing of hate, with the identification of such?
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the social media hobbling is amazing
you almost have to wonder if 'everyone' actually hates you when you get that response
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Parler hasn't been taken down. I doubt it will be anytime soon.
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Re: what if Trump... [Re: Enlil]
#27140697 - 01/10/21 08:34 PM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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there is a seismic shift in this information super highway now
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Re: what if Trump...v [Re: masspan]
#27140704 - 01/10/21 08:36 PM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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Yup, and the internet world will keep spinning.
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Re: what if Trump... [Re: Enlil]
#27140707 - 01/10/21 08:37 PM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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Let me reword that, reducing its footprint; the balance of containment and identification as you suggested, might prove more difficult.
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It's not going to happen online. It can't. Online we have a bunch of personae. Many talk like real alt right, but they don't need containment. The ones that do are the ones out in the wild. That's where the identification process must occur.
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Re: what if Trump... [Re: Enlil]
#27140939 - 01/10/21 10:14 PM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Parler hasn't been taken down. I doubt it will be anytime soon.
Can anyone tell me how to access the site and join now? Every time I try to register it says "Sign up not available"
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Maybe you're not welcome on that site. 
According to the admins, they're having problems keeping up with the rapid influx of new users. They're scaling as fast as they can.
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