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    #27112764 - 12/28/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

if this needs to be moved to conspiracy theory, my apologies for posting it here

Trumps aggenda these last 4 years imo

- put China on economic notice and strengthen our presence in Southeast Asia
- kill environmental protections to create self-sustinence in key industries, i don't like it but i get it sadly enough
- meet with North Korea to see if they would be ok with the US invading China
- tell Putin that we could all invade China if he had our backs and we could make a bigger 'country'
- the US invades China in Trump's not happening 2nd term, takes over China with Russia holding the line and the oceans cut off

these are just impressions after these last 4 years, for discussion


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: masspan] * 4
    #27112771 - 12/28/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Trump is not capable of strategic thinking


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: koods] * 1
    #27112776 - 12/28/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

i don't think that's true, and i have no idea why anyone would make a plan like that, but that's one scenario i have to date

i know it's crazy, shit's crazy, it's bananas


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: masspan] * 1
    #27113250 - 12/28/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 30 days ago)

Invading China would be a very very very bad thing for the US.  No one would win that war.


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: mndfreeze]
    #27113502 - 12/29/20 05:06 AM (3 years, 30 days ago)

America in its present state invading China would be suicide.

Here's a conspiracy theory: What if Trump knows damn well that global warming is a thing, which is why he offered to buy greenland because soon the ice would be gone and they'd be close to all the oil currently under the then-gone polar ice cap?

:ohwow:


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: masspan]
    #27113561 - 12/29/20 06:21 AM (3 years, 30 days ago)

It's true that Trump put China on economic notice, but it didn't benefit us. (Just like Trump put Canada on economic notice and it didn't benefit us). From everything I've read China's corona era economic recovery is outpacing all other nations.

It's difficult to determine it's significance at this time but China and Russia recently held joint military exercises. I don't think it will lead to WWIII or anything, but I think they are making plans to exert increased influence over weaker countries in their side of the world, and we are not in good shape to stop them.


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: mndfreeze]
    #27113871 - 12/29/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 30 days ago)

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Invading China would be a very very very bad thing for the US.  No one would win that war.




Yep. Exactly. We won't invade China until the 2030s, at least.

With how China played COVID, they're expected to become the world's biggest economy and unseat the US in 2028. Until that happens, there will not be a war.

After that happens, given a few years of propaganda, It seems reasonable to assume that the US would try to do the national equivalent of a suicide bombing against China.


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27113900 - 12/29/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 30 days ago)

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It's true that Trump put China on economic notice, but it didn't benefit us. (Just like Trump put Canada on economic notice and it didn't benefit us). From everything I've read China's corona era economic recovery is outpacing all other nations.

It's difficult to determine it's significance at this time but China and Russia recently held joint military exercises. I don't think it will lead to WWIII or anything, but I think they are making plans to exert increased influence over weaker countries in their side of the world, and we are not in good shape to stop them.



What exactly is "economic notice", because the US continued trade basically as normal under Trump.


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: Kryptos]
    #27122291 - 01/02/21 03:22 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

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Invading China would be a very very very bad thing for the US.  No one would win that war.




Yep. Exactly. We won't invade China until the 2030s, at least.

With how China played COVID, they're expected to become the world's biggest economy and unseat the US in 2028. Until that happens, there will not be a war.

After that happens, given a few years of propaganda, It seems reasonable to assume that the US would try to do the national equivalent of a suicide bombing against China.


China is allreaddy the most powerful country. America is nolonger a  super power especially when we owe china so much money.


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: masspan]
    #27122295 - 01/02/21 03:25 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

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masspan said:
if this needs to be moved to conspiracy theory, my apologies for posting it here

Trumps aggenda these last 4 years imo

- put China on economic notice and strengthen our presence in Southeast Asia
- kill environmental protections to create self-sustinence in key industries, i don't like it but i get it sadly enough
- meet with North Korea to see if they would be ok with the US invading China
- tell Putin that we could all invade China if he had our backs and we could make a bigger 'country'
- the US invades China in Trump's not happening 2nd term, takes over China with Russia holding the line and the oceans cut off

these are just impressions after these last 4 years, for discussion


trump dont want no smoke with china same with biden if we are smart we will leave china alone.


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: Mach z 800]
    #27122479 - 01/02/21 05:12 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

...weird shit


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: qman]
    #27122690 - 01/02/21 07:10 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

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It's true that Trump put China on economic notice, but it didn't benefit us. (Just like Trump put Canada on economic notice and it didn't benefit us). From everything I've read China's corona era economic recovery is outpacing all other nations.

It's difficult to determine it's significance at this time but China and Russia recently held joint military exercises. I don't think it will lead to WWIII or anything, but I think they are making plans to exert increased influence over weaker countries in their side of the world, and we are not in good shape to stop them.



What exactly is "economic notice", because the US continued trade basically as normal under Trump.




You're right. On further review Obama did quite a bit of this that I wasn't aware of. Trump played it up a lot more rhetorically: "I'm the tariff President", "I'm great at trade wars".

Economists take on the effect of tariffs is that they do benefit American producers, but all things considered they lead to higher prices for American consumers.


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: Mach z 800]
    #27125123 - 01/04/21 02:16 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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masspan said:
if this needs to be moved to conspiracy theory, my apologies for posting it here

Trumps aggenda these last 4 years imo

- put China on economic notice and strengthen our presence in Southeast Asia
- kill environmental protections to create self-sustinence in key industries, i don't like it but i get it sadly enough
- meet with North Korea to see if they would be ok with the US invading China
- tell Putin that we could all invade China if he had our backs and we could make a bigger 'country'
- the US invades China in Trump's not happening 2nd term, takes over China with Russia holding the line and the oceans cut off

these are just impressions after these last 4 years, for discussion


trump dont want no smoke with china same with biden if we are smart we will leave china alone.




America is not just number one super power because of our enriched nation. Transparency about corruption is a huge thing in becoming considered a super power and China would have to address a lot wrong with the way they operate to even get close to being greater than our nation. America is a phenomenon of human progress more than it is just a country.


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: Plain] * 2
    #27125833 - 01/04/21 10:55 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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America is not just number one super power because of our enriched nation. Transparency about corruption is a huge thing in becoming considered a super power and China would have to address a lot wrong with the way they operate to even get close to being greater than our nation. America is a phenomenon of human progress more than it is just a country.



If that's the standard, we're slipping fast.


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27126624 - 01/04/21 04:52 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

It' a factor that is considered. Military power and experience is another factor. Economically we have the most potential because of our culture. America is just a marketplace run by the market. It may not always be nice but it works for the most part. Entitlement does run rampant but that happens when toxic perspectives spread like wildfire. I like to study what the rest of the developing world is all about and would love to learn about a country or culture that has the level of freedom and opportunity America has if you would point me in the right direction?

Unless you mean humans as a whole? I disagree. I see more and more amazing discovery by humans and people going through growing pains. Typically, in history times get really chaotic when things are growing and changing rapidly. Looking at the bright side of whats going on can be just as relieving and inspiring as looking at the dim side can be daunting and hard to overcome.


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: Plain] * 1
    #27126637 - 01/04/21 04:58 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

At this point, pretty much any developed country has more freedom and opportunity than the US. Additionally, I'd add some other countries like China to the list.


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: Kryptos]
    #27126666 - 01/04/21 05:15 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

China has a long way to go in transparency and in human rights.


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: Plain] * 1
    #27126780 - 01/04/21 06:02 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

You mean like how the US military is no longer required to disclose civilians deaths caused by US military actions outside of "designated combat zones"?

It's like the argument that drone strikes went down under Trump: if you look at the numbers, sure, they did. They went from a positive number to no number, because the Trump administration got rid of the requirement to disclose the number of drone strikes.


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: Kryptos]
    #27126919 - 01/04/21 07:18 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

Try looking into what China does to it's own citizen's.


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Re: what if Trump... [Re: Plain]
    #27126983 - 01/04/21 07:49 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

They harvest the organs of executed prisoners?


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