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Quitting Cigarette Support * 4
    #27112363 - 12/28/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Moving a post from WCA as it contradicts that thread.

Making this for anyone that is thinking about, in the process of, or has previously quit.

What are your reasons for smoking?
  What do you foresee as potential complications after quitting?

Craving cigs? Feel free the vent here.

And for anyone who has successfully quit, what was your method and have you any tips?


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #27112380 - 12/28/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

My deal and random cliff notes:

Quote:

I'm gearing up for my final quit. Have been successful for years off in the past.. but am recognizing if I don't ultimately eradicate the habit now, I'll be a lifelonger.

One of the toughest for me, as smoking gives me a reason to go outside (where I love to be) and my subconscious has married the association.

But I despise being a part of the culture known for littering and 2nd hand smoke. The self-health component is important too, I guess:wink:




If you haven't already, I'd be sure as to what they do for you, why you want to quit, and what challenges you'll anticipate. Journal up.

One way I quit cigs was to switch to rolling my own. Less inclined to smoke as I must go through the process.

Another time I switched my brand and type- went from Turkish golds to Marlboro menthol (yuk).

Replacing the associations, with healthy ones that still fulfill all but the nicotine craving.
(Example from Sugabearcrisp: replace smoking outside with a walk around the block)

The patch was used once to break the ritual of smoking, while taming WDs(these unfettered caused a relapse when I attempted cold turk).

Looked at when I still enjoy smoking: with morning coffee, while driving, after sex etc. Those are the cigs I forbid first.

When I'm ready to cut back I won't allow anything else but smoking- no reading, talking to people, texting- only smoke a cig and stay present(its harder than you'd think).
Smoked significantly less once instilling this.

And lastly, having a quit journal to report into daily, support group/quit buddy has helped.
Most states have a toll free number you can talk to people in the know.

Imo, having a detailed plan in place before quitting is paramount.
But as we all know: there's a 101 ways to quit, it usually takes more than one attempt, and what works for one won't for another.

In the meantime, I'd switch to american spirits and ditch the pest/herb/fungicides. Tastes much better, too.


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    #27112407 - 12/28/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #27112438 - 12/28/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds good, do it!

Last I looked there's a benzo, opi, alcohol support thread.

Perhaps if we united there would be more participation.

Quitting is quitting: I've managed to use same tactics for different substances.
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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #27112483 - 12/28/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Just smoked my last camel crush (wides were out of stock). Hopefully I can just keep busy at work tonight with side tasks to keep my mind occupied.

Funny you say that LUA I was thinking about posting alcohol and nicotine as Inactive in WCA hoping my balls might get busted if I slip.

Knowing my personality type I don't think tapering is the direction for me. I need to just be done with it and not look back.

Like crisp was saying in WCA the financial calculations might help put things in perspective. Plus the company I work for will give me $1000 a year after quitting.


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: GreenHorns]
    #27112488 - 12/28/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I feel like nicotine is a unique challenge because you don't really need to hide it and it's sold everywhere. Supposidly it's harder to kick than heroin but that could be bullshit. If so it might be due to how readily available it is.


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: GreenHorns]
    #27112602 - 12/28/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Congratulations, Green!
Wishing the best for you, keep us posted- anything can do to help?

The reason I agree with the heroin/nicotine factoid:
For me, heroin was 3 days of hell and progressively got easier after. Would agree that cigs are more accessible and that is temptation front and center. But due to the prolonged duration of time I've smoked, I think the mental aspects engrained were tougher to unravel. The WDs are more drawn out. And while cig shaming is real, smoking cigs is more socially acceptable than shooting H. In theory.

That is wonderful that your company provides incentive, 1G?!
The gesture of giving away a half full pack hopefully imparts confidence.
And in case you were wondering, you got this :snoopyes:


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    #27112667 - 12/28/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #27113129 - 12/28/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 30 days ago)

Thanks dude! Haven't broken down yet haha. Have you got a taper plan that your currently working with?


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: GreenHorns]
    #27113772 - 12/29/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 30 days ago)

So day 1 successful. Went to the store on my way to work could have bought smokes but didn't. Back home and still holding strong.


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: GreenHorns]
    #27113785 - 12/29/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 30 days ago)

:congrats: That's great to hear! Keep in mind it's a marathon, not a race.

How are you feeling? What's making it easier?


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: GreenHorns]
    #27113972 - 12/29/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 30 days ago)

Sorry, didn't see the post above last.

Currently? I'm anxious and trying to plan/time it right. When I was working 60hrs a week I always told myself, 'I need to take a couple weeks off to quit, will be easier with less stress. Now that I am out of work with too much time on my hands, the days pass so slow and I feel like it would have been easier before, while engrossed and distracted. Actually, I smoke more cigs now than before.

Considering my current mental and physical state, quitting will be complicated. Not an excuse, but facts that must be considered before diving in.
I hugely admire you quitting cold turkey. Was it in the back of your mind and the trip made it to the forefront, or was this random greatness? I'm just baffled as to how that works :lol:

It's going to be before winter is over, when it's a PIA to suit up and go out to smoke. We made the thread, next will be breaking the associations and only allowing a cig without distraction.
That is as far as I am.:undecided: Just really want it to stick this time.



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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #27114564 - 12/29/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 30 days ago)

Yeah and I was hoping redeyesmj would want to contribute. Sounded like he was serious about quitting too.

Thanks for the nice words. Feeling OK. Strangely tired and snacking ALOT. I need to start packing healthy options so when I'm grazing to curb the cravings it's not cookies and shit.

I have been wanting to find motivation to quit for a long time just felt right and the motivation was there yesterday (my mush and dmt trip did help put certain things in perspective). Having my family in town now helps a lot because they are hard core Christians and never liked my smoking and drinking.if left with my own devices I'm sure I would have slipped by now.

I totally get needing to plan your route and having a plan to stick with. When your ready to make the jump you've got support!


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: GreenHorns] * 2
    #27119826 - 01/01/21 07:39 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Stopping in to express support and share my thoughts as an ex smoker on staying off the nicotine. One thing I think is helpfull is cleaning stuff that smells like smoke. For example giving your vehicle a deep clean (or paying someone to do it) helps and sets a precedent that this space is no longer for smoking. Also you might notice as you clean the inside of the glass that there is a layer of smoke grime and consider that is what your insides look like (IPA works well). Likewise if you smoke indoors cleaning and even doing some painting is a good idea to remove the smell. Deep clean your clothes especially jackets. You want to get to the point where when you are around someone who smokes or in a place where people smoke you notice it and go yuck.
Personally i was a bar smoker and when they outlawed smoking in bars it helped go a long way to end the habit.
When you quit your lungs will begin to produce more pleghm and you will cough a lot. If you can take up cardio as the more you work the lungs the more the crap will come out. It will also make you realize the damage smoking has done and begin to hopefully see improvements from not smoking.


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27120475 - 01/01/21 02:03 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Yeah I should clean the car out as it reaks of smoker still. That's probably the hardest part is the commute to work not smoking and the car smelling ashy. Good idea :highfive:


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: GreenHorns]
    #27128516 - 01/05/21 03:11 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

Sorry, it didn't alert me the thread had posts. Thanks for swinging through, Sugabear. Very true and great suggestion to deep clean.

Hows it going, Green?

What started as a head cold has descended into my chest, and I have a death cough and can't catch my breath- which is terrifying. As result, have cut from 10-15 cigs a day to 5. Might even slap a patch on if I can locate.


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #27128718 - 01/05/21 04:47 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

Well I havnt had time to read this whole thread yet ,I'd like to put in my input though as I am a ex nicotine addict currently.
Quitting nicotine is definitely not easy , it is literally a hard drug.

In my experiences with quitting nicotine is that there is 2 addictions if you are a smoker because you are not only addicted to the chemical nicotine but the actual physical act of smoking it's like a oral fixation , so when trying to quit it's like your battling 2 different demons in one very very easy to relapse especially when drinking drinks that you would drink and smoke or doing things that you would smoke to

That in my opinion is one of the reasons why cigarette smoking/vaping is so hard to quit

I started when I was 14 , smoked all the way to 21 then quit cold turkey, started vaping at around age 23 and have quit that on and off for the past 5 years essentially

Definitely a lifelong addiction kinda thing it's always gonna be there ya just gotta fill that void n stress with deep breaths and other things

I'm really stoned and this post might be all over but :shrug: I know you or anyone can do it if you put your mind to it, it's all in the mind and you just have to use other things to occupy your mind /mouth/hands to quit
I quit back in November using nicotine gum and have been free from that since sometime in December


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #27128868 - 01/05/21 05:37 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

Way to go CC its reassuring hearing the success stories. I broke down and bought a pack of American spirits. I went for 5 days without a cigarette but the first day I drank it was over. The relief from the constipation is nice but I am planning on laying off the booze again and not buying another pack. The chemical addiction is the easy thing to ignore its the oral fixation and the tendency to fill my random spare time with smoking that's hard to ignore. I'm going to buy another pack of low grade joints to smoke at work and while driving since that did seem to help with the routine.

Sorry to hear your under the weather Bird maybe this is a blessing is disguise to allow you to force the downtime away from the nicotine.


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: GreenHorns]
    #27129116 - 01/05/21 07:19 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

Quote:

Keith Richards said:
"I have tried (to quit smoking) So far, unsuccessfully! Lou Reed claimed nicotine was harder to quit than heroin. It is.
Quitting heroin is like hell, but it’s a short hell. I mean, the actual process. Cigarettes are just always there, and you’ve always done it. I just pick ‘em up and light ‘em up without thinking about it."




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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27132372 - 01/07/21 07:55 AM (3 years, 21 days ago)

Just stop..smoked for a a decade..thought about it..then went cold turkey. You got to weigh things out, and realize what is important; also remember this..you are the one in charge..not some stupid pack of smokes..why be a slave to someone else or something else?


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: Mr. D Green]
    #27139131 - 01/10/21 07:37 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

How are you seeing the relapse, GH? Any notches of experience that can help for next time? A guru once said, 'Lessons are blessings one should learn through.'

I've made zero progress since last report, getting by on ~5 daily. But shout out to all thinking, attempting, and maintaining life without cigs.


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    #27140091 - 01/10/21 03:54 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #27146280 - 01/13/21 04:58 PM (3 years, 15 days ago)

The majority of my cigarette intake comes on drinking days.

So far this month, I've drank once. On that day alone I had 9 cigarettes.

The rest of the month -- the other 12 days, I had 9 cigarettes...total. Over the course of 12 days. So in one drinking day I can match my entire cigarette intake of a dozen sober days.


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    #27146853 - 01/13/21 11:35 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

Well im still working on that 4th pack of American spirit menthols. I'm thinking about giving it another go when it's empty. I've really got to stop drinking if this is ever going to happen.


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #27147309 - 01/14/21 08:49 AM (3 years, 14 days ago)

The two certainly go well together, unfortunately. When they banned smoking inside bars here, it helped people quit. Pros and cons, civil liberties or health.

That's good you have the willpower otherwise, do you want to completely quit?


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    #27147313 - 01/14/21 08:50 AM (3 years, 14 days ago)

:hi: GH, glad to see youre still truckin, keep us posted!


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #27148047 - 01/14/21 04:00 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

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birdeatingspider said:
do you want to completely quit?




I would sure like to, but I like to drink.

I have cut down my drinking significantly but I don't think I could give it up completely -- ideally I'd still like to drink once or twice a month. And it's hard to see myself not smoking when I partake :facepalm:


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #27148211 - 01/14/21 05:28 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

That's not bad, IMO. Personally, I feel an occasional smoke won't do much harm- The amount of crap we breathe in, accounted for.

That would be a slippery slope for me though, I admire your willpower! :fistbump:


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: birdeatingspider] * 2
    #27148223 - 01/14/21 05:36 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

I smoke weed when I drink, also when I don't drink


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    #27148270 - 01/14/21 05:59 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

Quote:

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That would be a slippery slope for me though, I admire your willpower! :fistbump:




:hug:

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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 1
    #27149096 - 01/15/21 04:38 AM (3 years, 13 days ago)

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Sugabearcrisp said:
Quote:

Keith Richards said:
"I have tried (to quit smoking) So far, unsuccessfully! Lou Reed claimed nicotine was harder to quit than heroin. It is.
Quitting heroin is like hell, but it’s a short hell. I mean, the actual process. Cigarettes are just always there, and you’ve always done it. I just pick ‘em up and light ‘em up without thinking about it."




Stay strong guys, get back on the wagon if you fell off, it ain't easy.




My favorite Keith quote was "I never thought I had a problem with heroin, I had a problem with cops".

I was hopeless with cigs till 1995. Two and a half packs a day. I finally found it relatively easy to quit with nicotine gum, but I wasn't in an environment to stay off them permanently. I was one of two closing managers at a huge restaurant/bar that closed very late and the owner let us drink after work. Then I got four consecutive cases of bronchitis then pneumonia, and knife stabbing pain in your lungs is quite a convincer.

Nicotine gum was on prescription then, so I had to ween myself off it. If it was available in stores like now, I would have just traded one addiction for another. I loved the stuff. The waitresses used to walk past me chomping their teeth imitating me chewing like a madman.


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27149151 - 01/15/21 05:37 AM (3 years, 13 days ago)

i congratulate anybody that has stopped, and even a big up to people that have tried multiple times. I have pretty much tried every drug you can, and smoking is they only thing i ever had a problem with. I been smoking 32 years and only stopped for maybe 6 years in that span.

I hate it and now I do juul which is even worse imho. that jull is like crack man make you bug out and up. Hopefully soon I can quit I am tired of it and knows it's no good.


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: kanemush]
    #27152954 - 01/17/21 08:26 AM (3 years, 11 days ago)

Heard that- I quickly gave mine away after developing 'popcorn lung.' Now that you mention, nicotine has its hooks deepest out of everything for me, as well.
That's addiction, not being able to stop despite hating it and yourself for continuing.

Niff I dropped the ball big time.. would of been a perfect opportunity but as my breathing improved, I returned to business as usual. And some: I have a tendency to take things overboard when first indulging after abstaining from something I like(or am addicted to). It's like a voice says, 'I missed you sooo much and now I need ALL OF IT:mad2:.' :lol:

So I'm closer but will most likely settle back to ten-ish once the novelty fades. When you are drinking and light up, do you feel guilty or any way? Or are you enjoying?

The two people I spend most of my time with are smokers; and honestly, being around them is what's tripping me up. Tried it out(not having a cig around), I cave.

It's a complicated enough vice that I feel each angle must be measured and approach, anticipated. Very methodical, I plan hard. But also have an anxiety disorder.. :grin:
So when caught up I can sometimes manage to 'nike it,' and throw myself forward. As a lovely lady once said, 'Free Time Is the Only Time.'
Until I 'just do it,' I continue to mentally prepare and put ducks in a row.. but I'm for sure stuck on this one. Ducks have gotten impatient and are now glaring. The pressure I'm putting on myself with, 'Must succeed or doomed to be a smoker forever,' is not serving me well. Not to mention, I don't want to go through that process beyond once more. I've been at this place for so long, my mind is running in circles to stay busy.

Damn, Dylan.. I vaguely recall you sharing in the past, but reading that still made my jaw drop. How many years did you sustain 2.5 packs a day? I've heard just how high paced and crazy the back of the kitchen can be, perfect environment for cigarettes!

How long did you use the gum before tapering off? Do you ever miss it?


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Re: Quitting Cigarette Support [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #27161615 - 01/21/21 02:38 PM (3 years, 7 days ago)

Ive been smoking nicotine for almost half my life. I quit in jail for a year and once I got out I started smoking again. I have like 4 cartons of roll your own. I got a box of Raw papers its like 50 papers of 32. I smoke like 5 cigarettes a day but I also vape salt nicotine. I am going to try and quit smoking soon im trying to eat only edibles and not smoke weed.
I was taking a dab the other day and I choked up and could hardly breath it was pretty unpleasant. I dont want to die from not breathing the covid 19 has me woried.
I have a lot of nicotine stuff I smoke middle eastern stuff like dokha and hookah.Sometimes I shake and have a  little muscle spasm or feel really light headed with dokha. I was told one hit is like 5 cigarettes nicotine equivalent.


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How he could be a good user of LSD," I asked, "And know about the spiritual dimension - all that sort of thing - and still be a crook? I don't understand."
"Then it's time you did. Psychedelic drugs don't change you - they don't change you character - unless you want to be changed. They enable change; they can't impose it...
Alexander Shulgin, Pihkal: A Chemical Love Story


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