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LSD types based on effect?
#27111997 - 12/28/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi all,
Veteran Mushroom tripper, amateur Lucy tripper here. I've recently started exploring LSD more and more, and I've noticed a difference in both the clean/crispness of some trips, as well as the Euphoria/sense of well being.
I've done a bit of research, but I'm curious if there's a breakdown of the types of LSD out there now, and their common effects.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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Re: LSD types based on effect? [Re: TheHumanist]
#27112000 - 12/28/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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On a serious note though pretty much any LSD is going to make you feel the same as any other, as long as it's real LSD. There are different purity levels, so stuff that's not as pure might have some other alkaloids in there that might make you feel a little different than if it were more pure, but still we're talking nearly all the stuff you just took from that is pure LSD, so it'll feel like it anyways.
Edited by TheMagicConch (12/31/20 01:55 PM)
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That's interesting -- Is there a purpose for having all of the varying names? Like eggshell, needlepoint, flower of light, etc?
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Purity is related to dosage is always how I've understood it
So if you have a LSD crystal at 70% purity and lay it at 100 mcg per hit, than your hits are gonna be 70mcg of LSD and the rest iso-LSD and other leftover inactive isomers
Therefore if you get some hits of LSD that are 95 % purity and laid at 100mcg than it will feel much stronger than the weaker LSD essentially

I've noticed different tabs producing slightly different bodyloads / effects; visuals over the years that I've been tripping
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Re: LSD types based on effect? [Re: TheHumanist]
#27112122 - 12/28/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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To answer your question on the needlepoint and fluff type designations, not really. It mostly just comes down to marketing.
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Does anyone test this and collect data on purity levels? I'd think for harm reduction purposes, having a pretty idea of likely variation would be helpful. I say 'likely variation', because there has to be some pretty good chance of empty blotters.
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Re: LSD types based on effect? [Re: LeafRaker] 6
#27113288 - 12/28/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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LSD is LSD is LSD. Anything else is marketing. Even if you're getting something like 99% pure LSD in 100ug blotters("needlepoint"), you're getting 99ug LSD.
If you have 85% purity on 100ug blotters, you're getting 85ug of LSD. Now make no mistake, that dosage difference, along with set, setting, diet, mood, etc of your recent week can have profound effects, but this is not different LSD.
I emailed David Nichols about this a few years ago, and this is what he said:
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If LSD is purified, usually by chromatography of some kind, it should always be the same. The original synthesis method is not crucial, although some methods may make it harder to purify the LSD than others.
Because LSD is so potent, there is no impurity potent enough to fit on a blotter that would affect the psychopharmacology of LSD. Years ago, realizing that a major impurity might be isoLSD, we examined the pharmacology of isoLSD. It had no significant effect at any receptor system we examined. If the LSD comes in a capsule, or tablet, then all bets are off because you could put all kinds of things in something that size.
Variability in effects is most often related to set and setting. For example, if someone buys a blotter and is told that it is standard commercial blotter, and then is sold another blotter (for much higher price!) and is told, “This blotter contains LSD originally synthesized by Hofmann himself at Sandoz laboratories” it is a safe bet that the “Hofmann LSD” will be given rave reviews compared to the conventional blotter. Most people in the street would not realize that it is not possible to get Sandoz LSD. I read years ago where someone said that they bought a particular psychedelic that “came out of Sasha’s lab.” I wrote to them that Sasha never put his compounds on the street, and that it was purely a marketing gimmick.
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Literally the only difference is the potency and the picture on the paper. There have been studies on this that the picture on the paper highly influences the type of trip you will have. Like if you take some fucking Buddha blotters or something and you think it's going to be a Buddhist type of trip then that's what it's going to be, or if you take some cotton candy LSD then your trip is going to be all bubblegum and shit.
There is not really any such thing as clean or dirty acid. Your trip sometimes feels weird because of set and setting.
Edited by OutsideOfMyMind (12/29/20 02:23 AM)
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scientifically, chemically, pharmacologically, there should be no difference between kinds of acid. subjectively, different kinds of acid are very different.
it has to be a psychological thing, but I don’t think that means it’s something that should be dismissed as not real, or not worth discussing. it’s very real, and very interesting.
I love the fact that different batches and kinds of L are different! imagine if they were all just identical... that would be way less fun.
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Yes it depends on the intention of the synthesis and the energy surrounding it before, during and thereafter. It won't change the LSD into a different molecule, but LSD is also a sensitive crystal, very sensitive to its surrounding frequencies. All crystals act as receivers and transmitters of energy.
"For if you bake bread with indifference, you bake a bitter bread that feeds but half man’s hunger. And if you grudge the crushing of the grapes, your grudge distils a poison in the wine."
Most of histories accredited chemists such as Owsley and Sand, knew and understood the underlying spiritual concepts of the most basic principle "What you put in you get out" and they would specifically play certain frequencies of music while synthesizing LSD, chant over batches, and turn the whole process into a sacred ritual. Sand claimed the orange sunshine was his most "blessed" batch ever created.
I've tried many different batches of LSD that if pure, vary slightly from batch to batch, think of it as a signature. The LSD is the signature, yet every signature is different. There is some LSD that I would nearly consider poison it effects the body and mind so negatively.
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SamShrooms said: On a serious note though pretty much any LSD is going to make you feel the same as any other, as long as it's real LSD. There are different purity levels, so stuff that's not as pure might have some other alkaloids in there that might make you feel a little different than if it were more pure, but still we're talking nearly all the stuff you just took from that is pure LSD, so it'll feel like it anyways. Especially at higher doses, at least for me I end up in the same place no matter what blotter or gel I took if I take enough.
There's the argument that LSD is so active at such low dosages that LSD is always LSD if there aren't high levels of impurities on the blotter. I always wondered if maybe because LSD is so active at low dosages that other lysergamides that may be left over from the synthesis are also active at such low dosages. So in the end they could have an influence on the trip. I honestly haven't tried different qualities of LSD, so I cannot say. Most people alive or here on the board haven't tried the original from Sandoz back in the day. It would be interesting to experience LSD from a pharma company.
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Eclipse3130 said: There is some LSD that I would nearly consider poison it effects the body and mind so negatively.
So who made it? The devil himself? Did he call the crystal names all day?
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Thanks! I'm aware of the weakness of my chemistry knowledge and I don't know enough about synthesizing lucy to imagine the level of variability in chemicals produced or even if there's variability at all.
It makes sense to me that there's enormous variability in our moods and minds and situations when we take it and that that explains of the difference that we perceive.
I also imagine that a manufacturing operation that thinks of these things in commercial terms might somewhat short-change on potency to increase profits. Think of how many more '150 mcg tabs' you can sell if you actually make them 115 mcg...
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Re: LSD types based on effect? [Re: Eclipse3130] 2
#27114001 - 12/29/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: Yes it depends on the intention of the synthesis and the energy surrounding it before, during and thereafter. It won't change the LSD into a different molecule, but LSD is also a sensitive crystal, very sensitive to its surrounding frequencies. All crystals act as receivers and transmitters of energy.
"For if you bake bread with indifference, you bake a bitter bread that feeds but half man’s hunger. And if you grudge the crushing of the grapes, your grudge distils a poison in the wine."
Most of histories accredited chemists such as Owsley and Sand, knew and understood the underlying spiritual concepts of the most basic principle "What you put in you get out" and they would specifically play certain frequencies of music while synthesizing LSD, chant over batches, and turn the whole process into a sacred ritual. Sand claimed the orange sunshine was his most "blessed" batch ever created.
I've tried many different batches of LSD that if pure, vary slightly from batch to batch, think of it as a signature. The LSD is the signature, yet every signature is different. There is some LSD that I would nearly consider poison it effects the body and mind so negatively.
This is just saying "there are different kinds of LSD" but pretending you're not saying it. There is no LSD made by someone so rotten that it is like "poison"
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Re: LSD types based on effect? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#27114112 - 12/29/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: Yes it depends on the intention of the synthesis and the energy surrounding it before, during and thereafter. It won't change the LSD into a different molecule, but LSD is also a sensitive crystal, very sensitive to its surrounding frequencies. All crystals act as receivers and transmitters of energy.
"For if you bake bread with indifference, you bake a bitter bread that feeds but half man’s hunger. And if you grudge the crushing of the grapes, your grudge distils a poison in the wine."
Most of histories accredited chemists such as Owsley and Sand, knew and understood the underlying spiritual concepts of the most basic principle "What you put in you get out" and they would specifically play certain frequencies of music while synthesizing LSD, chant over batches, and turn the whole process into a sacred ritual. Sand claimed the orange sunshine was his most "blessed" batch ever created.
I've tried many different batches of LSD that if pure, vary slightly from batch to batch, think of it as a signature. The LSD is the signature, yet every signature is different. There is some LSD that I would nearly consider poison it effects the body and mind so negatively.
this seems like bs, and really new agey - but I gotta admit I kinda agree. I don’t pretend to understand how it works but my own experiences have verified, for me, that this is real. i am not trying to convince anyone else of course.
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Re: LSD types based on effect? [Re: TheHumanist] 2
#27114196 - 12/29/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ah yes, the classic LSD purity debate. Its as timeless as LSD itself 
Im a believer that there is something to it. Ive tried many different types of LSD over the years since 2007 and I have noticed a qualitative difference in LSD types. Some feel more magical/surreal/special while some Ive had recently feels "commercial and cold". I believe there is some kind of "X-Factor" to LSD that creates this effect.
But the problem with LSD is its super subjective. The set, the setting, the dosage, all affect the experience. But aside from these factors, I still do believe there is some truth to the LSD purity debate....
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It is not even about LSD specifically, these basic principles are laws of nature/universe. It works the same way with everything, grandma's cookies are always better than store bought, some say it's the Love. It doesn't need to be over complicated, what you put in you get out, you tell somebody to F off, they probably won't feel the greatest, you tell someone you Love them, they most likely will feel great.
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Re: LSD types based on effect? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#27114401 - 12/29/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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this thread seems oddly influenced by the 'subtle energy' thread below it!
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Re: LSD types based on effect? [Re: LeafRaker]
#27114452 - 12/29/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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some acid comes on from 1 to 100, providing a stronger body load and more feelings of uneasiness if you're not ready
other acid fades in slowly but ends up being just as strong visually/sensually, but in a gentler manner, without producing some of the more uncomfortable body sensations or to a less noticeable extent
i have taken the same two types of liquid repeatedly on different occasions and always noticed the same differences, even when not expecting or focussing on them. others have confirmed this.
one was a vial picked up in switzerland, the other one came from the US and was named "grateful dead anniversary edition" whatever that means but i swear it felt so clean and smooth. this was the one with the slow come up. unfortunately it's gone now. even the visuals were different, lots of green/neon colour tones. the swiss one provides more earthy tones and symmetrical fractals. believe it or not but that's the way it is.
Edited by epilectric (12/29/20 05:37 PM)
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