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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #27119308 - 12/31/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

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please google online physics courses for free and take one is all I can say.

then try inorganic chemistry just to see what keeps the minerals out of your kidney stones, like solubility of mineral salts - what no mineral salts on your crystal, that's a good thing eh?, Mercurio, wherefore art thou, Mercurio?


crystals don't change your blotters, they just add sparkle to your daily life and a smooth coolth to the touch, both of which stand on their own as valuable experiences to some degree.




I totally agree.  But remember how strong the mind is, if one believes that the psychedelics are infused with sublte sacred energy, then maybe there trip will be better and deeper or whatever.  It's all psychosomatic, that influences psychedelics and mental processes hugely!  No joke, when I was younger like 5 years ago I thought I found san pedro growing near my house wildly.  I harvested a foot, and processed it like one would with san pedro to make tar.  I ate the tar and thought I was mildly tripping when walking around my neighborhood on a low dose all day.  Turns out the cactus wasn't even san pedro or active at all!  The mind is crazy strong when it comes to altering reality.

Is reality actually altered?  In the perciever it is, and that's all that counts.  Of course the matter isn't changed, but if one perceives it differently and experiences thusly is it any different from it actually changing (even though it doesn't).  So go ahead and infuse things with subtle energy, see how it makes you feel. We all live in our own heads in our own version of reality anyway.

Although I do believe truly that matter can be influenced by energy as in spiritual energy.  But like, you're probably not a spiritually attained monk that has spend decades trying to infuse matter with spiritual energy to practice ya know?


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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27119452 - 12/31/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

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please google online physics courses for free and take one is all I can say.

then try inorganic chemistry just to see what keeps the minerals out of your kidney stones, like solubility of mineral salts - what no mineral salts on your crystal, that's a good thing eh?, Mercurio, wherefore art thou, Mercurio?


crystals don't change your blotters, they just add sparkle to your daily life and a smooth coolth to the touch, both of which stand on their own as valuable experiences to some degree.




I totally agree.  But remember how strong the mind is, if one believes that the psychedelics are infused with sublte sacred energy, then maybe there trip will be better and deeper or whatever.  It's all psychosomatic, that influences psychedelics and mental processes hugely!  No joke, when I was younger like 5 years ago I thought I found san pedro growing near my house wildly.  I harvested a foot, and processed it like one would with san pedro to make tar.  I ate the tar and thought I was mildly tripping when walking around my neighborhood on a low dose all day.  Turns out the cactus wasn't even san pedro or active at all!  The mind is crazy strong when it comes to altering reality.

Is reality actually altered?  In the perciever it is, and that's all that counts.  Of course the matter isn't changed, but if one perceives it differently and experiences thusly is it any different from it actually changing (even though it doesn't).  So go ahead and infuse things with subtle energy, see how it makes you feel. We all live in our own heads in our own version of reality anyway.

Although I do believe truly that matter can be influenced by energy as in spiritual energy.  But like, you're probably not a spiritually attained monk that has spend decades trying to infuse matter with spiritual energy to practice ya know?



The mind is a very powerful thing. Have you ever dosed acid and then literally like the second after you swallow it you swear you start "feeling it?" Walls start breathing slightly and shadows get darker. It's all fucking psychological. Of course the acid takes longer than just one second to kick in but a lot of people experience this phenomenon where you take acid and you swear you are feeling it as soon as you swallow it.


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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27119927 - 01/01/21 08:47 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

what you are describing is part of mind set.


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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #27119943 - 01/01/21 08:56 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Yeah that site seemed like a total scam for gullible people. OP didn't say what he did with their products, how exactly they helped HIM bless the food or the drugs.

One doesn't need to pay money for external products to bless something.

"Simply put, our Quantum Energy Apps are energetically encoded digital pictures that transform your electronic devices into quantum resonance tools that support you for greater health and well-being and peak performance."
This is just laughable :rofl2:

Anyone who believes this shit needs to take a long think about if they are being scammed...


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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: InnerWisdom] * 1
    #27119972 - 01/01/21 09:13 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

the thing that they are selling - the pictures - can be freely downloaded from google for instance.

Looking at sacred geometry, mandalas and so on can feel good for the spirit. No need to pay money for this


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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: InnerWisdom] * 2
    #27120072 - 01/01/21 10:19 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

As someone who works doing science journalism, the mere fact that webpages like that exist makes me wanna vomit.
Quantum physics is not some "magical vibration realm where your positive vibes control the frequency or vibrations of particles." It is quite literally the diametrical opposite. The harsh truth that there is a base level of uncertainty that we will never be able to crack and that all our predictions for small phenomena are, at best, based on probabilty distributions.
It doesn't mean it's useless, because engineering with quantum physics is about specifically finding a use case for systems with exploitable quantum interactions (e.g., tunnel diodes, LEDs).

But it has ABOSLUTELY FREAKING NOTHING to do with putting a picture on your phone and feeling a coffee buzz. That is horseshit, sorry. I've almost lost a friend to anemia because she refused to see a doctor and instead kept insisting on random crystal detox bullcrap.

Wishful thinking makes coping with unexpected difficulties in life way worse than it should be, and I recommend everyone to steer clear from that behavior.


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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: InnerWisdom] * 1
    #27120381 - 01/01/21 01:00 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

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the thing that they are selling - the pictures - can be freely downloaded from google for instance.

Looking at sacred geometry, mandalas and so on can feel good for the spirit. No need to pay money for this




I wholeheartedly agree. Raw aesthetic beauty itself, such as when watching a rendering of a fractal or handling a crystal, is already good enough to put your mind in a better state. This can, in turn, reduce stress and actually have noticeable and positive health effects.

But I can't suggest anyone believe the cookie-cutter explanations like "oh it's cause this stone has this property and this other stone brings wealth and good mood." The world is, fortunately, much more complex than that. Don't settle for an easy placebo-inducing explanation. Embrace the complexity of the world and accept there are thing we don't understand and things that can make us feel bad that won't simply go away with some new-age magik.


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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: jomanda1990]
    #27120407 - 01/01/21 01:19 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Use a worry stone made of something like quartz. It will be cool to look at and play with to make rainbows and to look through to see the trip look more trippy

It also can make you more at ease. :smile:

I use one myself


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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: jomanda1990]
    #27120417 - 01/01/21 01:22 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

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.... Have you ever dosed acid and then literally like the second after you swallow it you swear you start "feeling it?" Walls start breathing slightly and shadows get darker. It's all fucking psychological. Of course the acid takes longer than just one second to kick in but a lot of people experience this phenomenon where you take acid and you swear you are feeling it as soon as you swallow it.




I totally hear what you're getting at and I know this doesn't relate directly to what you're trying to convey or the topic of the thread, but I just had to say lol.....

With a dose around 150mcg and upwards I absolutely feel the "first alert" and first signs of lifting up from baseline-sobriety within 30 to 90 seconds after the dose is sitting underneath my tongue (the first alert for me is a distinct shift in my cognition/headspace and the way my thoughts "feel" & flow). I do feel LSD almost immediately after dosing (I never actually swallow the dose since I take LSD sublingually, it absorbs into the blood stream pretty rapidly that way).

I'm in no way experiencing any visuals at that point of feeling the "first alert" or even "tripping" yet (around 30 to 40 minutes after dosing is usually when I start to "trip" & experience visuals), but I will almost always feel the first alert and start coming up in 1-minute or less after the dose is under my tongue.





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I and no one else in this thread is calling bull shit on things relating to "subtle energy" in general.....

...But I am certainly, absolutely, calling bullshit on the website that is selling digital pictures for $27 that they claim can do things like prevent allergies or give one a coffee buzz or instil the properties of various medicinal plants.

With that said...I am also extremely skeptical and have my doubts about Dr. Emoto's work as well.





I'm happy you made this distinction clear, because in the smoke fight above, it was hard to see who the hell was saying what.

It's good to have healthy skepticism of these ideas, it will help weed out the fluff, and that's where the real "magick" is, if it ever existed in the first place.

A safe, happy, healthy New Year's to you (and all in this thread) :cheers:!





:werd:

That's the thing...I'm open to and believe certain aspects of "meta-physics" are "real" (something I've opened up to more over the past 8 years or so).

....but there's so much fluff out there that I feel is totally bogus.

I'm very skeptical, but also open-minded (to an extent lol).

Have a good one dude!





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One doesn't need to pay money for external products to bless something.







For real though!

Anything in regards to blessings, healings, prayers, etc etc...One should never have to pay $ for such things at all. If there is a fee/charge for such a thing then it is almost certainly a scam.








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....the mere fact that webpages like that exist makes me wanna vomit.







Same here.

It gave me such a disgusted feeling.







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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: openmind]
    #27120465 - 01/01/21 01:56 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

The answer is sort of in taking a physics course. You'll learn that there is a lot we/you don't understand yet, but you'll also learn that it is very foolish to assume things work a certain way without scientific evidence. There's a reason we don't teach engineers and physicists about 'charging crystals for healing' and whatnot. It's because it's like ghosts or demons or whatever- there is no evidence over thousands of years. I always end up discovering this no matter what new age rabbit hole I investigate. Change comes from within, and if something is confusing/distracting enough you can fool yourself.


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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: jdawg333]
    #27121080 - 01/01/21 08:18 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

Looking at different colors affects mood, emotion, and energy levels. I have a remote controlled color changing light bulb in my room. Having it on blue before going to bed makes me relaxed and tired.


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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] * 2
    #27121952 - 01/02/21 12:15 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

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Looking at different colors affects mood, emotion, and energy levels. I have a remote controlled color changing light bulb in my room. Having it on blue before going to bed makes me relaxed and tired.



I think you should shift to yellow or orange light to go to sleep. blue to wake up. like your iPhone or your microsoft computer which can switch to night mode.


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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27122258 - 01/02/21 03:05 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

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Looking at different colors affects mood, emotion, and energy levels. I have a remote controlled color changing light bulb in my room. Having it on blue before going to bed makes me relaxed and tired.



I think you should shift to yellow or orange light to go to sleep. blue to wake up. like your iPhone or your microsoft computer which can switch to night mode.



Blue COLOR is different from the blue light coming from a cell phone or computer monitor.


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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27122286 - 01/02/21 03:20 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

tru dat. I just thought about that yesterday. Computer colors are made by RGB pixels. So yellow actually isn't the yellow spectrum only but blue and green together.
Does it make a difference though I wonder?


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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27122300 - 01/02/21 03:29 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

who the fuck would ever believe any of this bullshit? some people are so desperate to believe in all this pseudo mystical white boy shaman nonsense no matter how little sense it makes.


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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27122522 - 01/02/21 05:50 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

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Looking at different colors affects mood, emotion, and energy levels. I have a remote controlled color changing light bulb in my room. Having it on blue before going to bed makes me relaxed and tired.



I think you should shift to yellow or orange light to go to sleep. blue to wake up. like your iPhone or your microsoft computer which can switch to night mode.



Blue COLOR is different from the blue light coming from a cell phone or computer monitor.




Blue comes from the wave length of the radiation in the visible spectrum, regardless of weather it come from a screen or a light bulb. The color BLUE is reflection of that radiation off of a surface.  :strokebeard:


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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27122599 - 01/02/21 06:22 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

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the thing that they are selling - the pictures - can be freely downloaded from google for instance.

Looking at sacred geometry, mandalas and so on can feel good for the spirit. No need to pay money for this




Maybe like... 8 years ago I had a bit of a freak out on LSD at a music festival.  I became very, very concerned that people would start to capitlize on the psychedelic experience however they could.  Overpriced crap with sacred geometry on it made in China in sweatshops, clothes the same way.  Preying on people who just were shown something else so they can make a buck.  Quite literally pimping out the psychedelic experience and spirituality that comes with it to make money.

And as that all becomes a commodity, gets packaged up, made for pennies on the dollar and sold for exorbitant prices and selling false promises... that the true meaning of sacred geometry, mandalas, the realms of the mind would lose the true nature they have.  And now 8 years later, I see that I was quite right.


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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: LeeHarvOz] * 1
    #27122764 - 01/02/21 07:49 PM (3 years, 25 days ago)

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who the fuck would ever believe any of this bullshit? some people are so desperate to believe in all this pseudo mystical white boy shaman nonsense no matter how little sense it makes.




I know, right? It's sad that they are not only disrespecting the psychedelic experience by association with this bullcrap, but also taking a piss at everyone who ACTUALLY STUDIES quantum physics. That stuff is not easy at all, and to have some morons associate it with "magical picture quantum energy" is a fucking disgrace to everyone actually trying to solve the puzzle.


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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27123281 - 01/03/21 06:46 AM (3 years, 25 days ago)

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tru dat. I just thought about that yesterday. Computer colors are made by RGB pixels. So yellow actually isn't the yellow spectrum only but blue and green together.
Does it make a difference though I wonder?



red and green together generate the yellow in lcd's and tv's.
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Re: Blessing your psychedelics with subtle energy [Re: jomanda1990]
    #27123298 - 01/03/21 07:01 AM (3 years, 25 days ago)

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who the fuck would ever believe any of this bullshit? some people are so desperate to believe in all this pseudo mystical white boy shaman nonsense no matter how little sense it makes.




I know, right? It's sad that they are not only disrespecting the psychedelic experience by association with this bullcrap, but also taking a piss at everyone who ACTUALLY STUDIES quantum physics. That stuff is not easy at all, and to have some morons associate it with "magical picture quantum energy" is a fucking disgrace to everyone actually trying to solve the puzzle.



indeed

placebo effect can be very powerful and useful, but one has to be unaware that it's placebo for it to work best


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