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How should my friend go about smoking dmt for the first time?
#27110278 - 12/27/20 07:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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So my friends is wanting to try a psychedelic, dmt in particular for his first experience. He has lots of experience with weed, and a little salvia, but he says he is ready to try dmt. His intentions are very good, wanting to connect with soirituality and see things he’s never seem before. Here are the three options I’ve been thinking for him
1. Just infuse it into mullien or something and let him keep hitting it until he gets where he wants to be, however I have tripsitted a lot of people smoking it for the first time and very often they will be overcome by the experience so they stop smoking, only to find they wish they had smoked more and now it’s too late.
2. Drink around 25 grams yellow caapi tea 30 min before and do the same thing, last a little longer and possibly make it an easier come up and more in depth experience. Make it easier to smoke more as well if he finds he didn’t smoke enough since it will be potentiated, it probably won’t buikd a tolerance as fast. I’m kind of leaning towards this one.
3. Make 5-10x caapi leaf and do it that way.
What do you guys think is good first time teqnique?
I also don’t want him to get way too much and have a frightening experience to where he swears off psychedelics, I want him to see what they can do and have a god experience. Thanks.
Edited by InvisibleMind (12/27/20 08:01 AM)
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Re: How should my friend go about smoking dmt for the first time? [Re: InvisibleMind] 2
#27110485 - 12/27/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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For a first-timer who has no idea what to expect from vaporized DMT, prolonging what could be a powerful, unexpected, surprising and/or FRIGHTENING experience, I would say DEFINITELY leave out the MAOI.
Let him/her see the power and get comfortable with the headspace for a brief interval before subjecting them to a prolonged experience!
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Re: How should my friend go about smoking dmt for the first time? [Re: Nature Boy]
#27110528 - 12/27/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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counterpoint - for me, drinking low/med dose caapi before smoking dmt has always proven to be a MUCH gentler and easier to integrate experience than smoking dmt on its own. it is also much, much easier to dose the dmt to the level you are trying to reach. it’s slower and it’s easier to handle. unfortunately I don’t know a lot of people who have done it this way though.
nature boy is right. anything could happen... when you add more variables, like an MAOI, it can become even more unpredictable than it already is.
I don’t think the caapi is that bad of an idea if your friend can slowly and carefully dose his/her way into the experience, but that can be tricky sometimes especially for someone who has never smoked dmt before. probably best to have them do it at least once without the caapi before trying something like that.
also I don’t think I know anyone who has smoked dmt as their first psychedelic experience - I am very curious what your friend has to say about it.
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Re: How should my friend go about smoking dmt for the first time? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
#27110575 - 12/27/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why does he want to do DMT specifically for his first experience? Not that he wont handle it well but I don't know if I would have handled a level 5 breakthrough experience well for my very first trip. I took around 200ug of lsd for my fist trip and it was amazing.
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Re: How should my friend go about smoking dmt for the first time? [Re: Rise against]
#27110585 - 12/27/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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When i did it, I found doing it by itself was very pleasant.
I made sure to make it nice. I used an enail, and a bubbler which i filled with mint infused water so i wouldn't get the taste of mothballs
Very euphoric and not at all terrifying when i was prepared to do it. I did it and made sure I could set it down safely and then lie down on my bed. 10/10
What was terrifying was doing it with an MAOI (but I didn't smoke it, I ate it. even worse and more terrifying--pharmahuasca)
I'd just smoke the DMT first but that's just me
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Re: How should my friend go about smoking dmt for the first time? [Re: Nature Boy]
#27110951 - 12/27/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks to all who replied. I decided to go without the MAOI. That being said, what would be a good ratio of dmt/Mullien for a first time? I want him to be able to enter hyperspace at a steady pace but also not so weak that he can’t get enough. 50/50 by weight? And if I sue plain caapi leaves, not enhanced, just enough to add the spirit in there, would he need to worry about diet/caffeine etc?
Edited by InvisibleMind (12/27/20 04:26 PM)
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Re: How should my friend go about smoking dmt for the first time? [Re: Rise against]
#27110966 - 12/27/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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He is only going to be in town for a few more days before he goes back to possibly Iraq, and I don’t think I could find anything else, especially anything I trust in that amount of time. Also he is a big fan of joe Rohan lol. He’s really looking for a deep experience.
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Re: How should my friend go about smoking dmt for the first time? [Re: InvisibleMind]
#27111020 - 12/27/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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when I load it up for someone else I tend to use more spice rather than less, to adjust for the trickiness of smoking it.
i’m sure you are going to do the sandwich method when loading the bowl right? that makes it a lot easier to learn since you can just hit it like a weed pipe. I don’t know how easy it would be for him to get there at a ‘steady pace,’ it’s pretty much always gonna be a reality shattering flash, right?
if he wants the joe rogan dmt experience, put a lot in there and expect him to waste at least some of it (burning from improper technique, etc). anytime someone relatively new to dmt wants to really break through, I tell them to do it like this:
take a normal size hit and hold it in for a couple seconds, let it out. second normal size hit, held in for a just few seconds, exhale. things will be very intense after the second hit, so he will only have a few moments to take one final hit, as big as possible, and held in for as long as possible.
not a lot of people decide to take the third hit on their first time. let him know beforehand that the 3rd hit is the difference between just a powerful trip and a breakthrough, and he can make an educated choice in the moment.
also try to have some extra on hand just in case he needs another go at it. there’s always more spice, but the interest and courage required to actually smoke it is in limited supply.
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Re: How should my friend go about smoking dmt for the first time? [Re: InvisibleMind]
#27111035 - 12/27/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I recommend getting a dab rig with a quartz banger, fill it with cold water/ice cubes and dabbing the DMT pure. Its still my favorite method.
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Re: How should my friend go about smoking dmt for the first time? [Re: InvisibleMind]
#27111163 - 12/27/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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InvisibleMind said, in part: what would be a good ratio of dmt/Mullien for a first time?
Just lay the thinnest possible layer of mullein over the screen of the pipe to prevent the liquefying (as it heats, before actually vaporizing) DMT from passing through the screen and away from the heat source. The mullein will then become momentarily saturated and as the heat increases enough, the trapped DMT will vaporize with no waste, no fuss, and no muss.
That's how I do it and it works 100% of the time. I recommend use an accurate scale if one is available.
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Re: How should my friend go about smoking dmt for the first time? [Re: Nature Boy]
#27111296 - 12/27/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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So you mean lay down some mullein, put the spice over it, then heat the spice until it melts into Thebes mullein? I was just going to infuse it with naphtha, dissolve in a small amount of naphtha, pour over mullien, disperse evenly, and let evaporate.
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Re: How should my friend go about smoking dmt for the first time? [Re: InvisibleMind]
#27111329 - 12/27/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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InvisibleMind said: So you mean lay down some mullein, put the spice over it, then heat the spice until it melts into Thebes mullein? I was just going to infuse it with naphtha, dissolve in a small amount of naphtha, pour over mullien, disperse evenly, and let evaporate.
oh interesting, I didn’t pick that up at all. that is technically a ‘changa’ recipe right? if you look that up you should find some appropriate ratios and techniques for making it effective.
off the top of my head, I would recommend dissolving the spice into (at least 91%) isopropyl alcohol instead of naphtha, just so you don’t have to worry at all about some tiny pockets of naph in your dmt/mullein mix. also that way you don’t have to evap any more petro chems into the air you’re breathing.
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Re: How should my friend go about smoking dmt for the first time? [Re: Nature Boy]
#27111569 - 12/28/20 02:28 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nature Boy said: For a first-timer who has no idea what to expect from vaporized DMT, prolonging what could be a powerful, unexpected, surprising and/or FRIGHTENING experience, I would say DEFINITELY leave out the MAOI.
Let him/her see the power and get comfortable with the headspace for a brief interval before subjecting them to a prolonged experience!

This parallels my research and understanding.
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Re: How should my friend go about smoking dmt for the first time? [Re: InvisibleMind]
#27111689 - 12/28/20 05:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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InvisibleMind said: So you mean lay down some mullein, put the spice over it, then heat the spice until it melts into Thebes mullein?
100% correct. Just lay the DMT powder on top and go straight to vaporizing. The naphtha step is entirely unnecessary, a potential source of waste (and worse yet) can leave residual naphtha if not thoroughly dried out which can flame, flare, and choke you.
Forego the naphtha. You'll see exactly how well the mullein layer works once you try it. I promise!!
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Re: How should my friend go about smoking dmt for the first time? [Re: Nature Boy]
#27112747 - 12/28/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I’m still a bit confused. Do you melt the dmt into the mullein, let it dry, then smoke the mullein like you would any other herb, or are you just talking about the sandwich method, Mullen, dmt, more Mullen on top, then smoke?
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Re: How should my friend go about smoking dmt for the first time? [Re: InvisibleMind]
#27112923 - 12/28/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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You can, but it is not advised unless used almost immediately. Oxygen will eventually degrade the DMT. The mullein is a simple mechanical barrier to the loss of the DMT too far from the flame to be vaporized. Just consider the mullein as an improved SCREEN to your pipe.
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Re: How should my friend go about smoking dmt for the first time? [Re: InvisibleMind]
#27112958 - 12/28/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dissolve DMT to damiana or an herbal smoking blend of choice. I use one gram dmt to 2 or 3 grams of smoking blend (depends on how strong I want the mix). Then you can weigh a fairly accurate dose by some simple math.
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