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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: sudly]
    #27090170 - 12/15/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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sudly said:
What's the process that causes matter to form?




Everything that happens. There is nothing that is not that process. It's what people attempt to describe with physics and quantum mechanics. It is change and movement. It is to large degree, mysterious and magical. Existence, whatever that may be. Trying to describe what energy is outside it's ability to do work (process) is difficult. What is energy? What is existence?


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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
    #27090823 - 12/15/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

sudly said:
"What's the process that causes matter to form?"

.  To most folks in the world, having a car that works, is good enough.

.  But Jay Leno finds cars themselves to have value.

.  Likewise however the mind is only a tool, to accomplish some tasks of (former) evolutionary value (as the world now changes faster than evolution).

.  The mind is not designed to answer 'ultimate' questions.
Of course this annoys some folks, and makes others happy that God is taking care of it all.

.  Regardless if we consider a picture that is all gray, or the case of being in a dense fog, it becomes obvious that meaning is dependent, on making distinctions, contrast, being able to find edges.
Same with a cocktail party and too many loud voices at once, or white noise, or static.

.  Whenever questions are asked about everything (or the universe, God, 'my whole life', "the meaning of my whole life" etc.), everything has been lumped into only one category: called: "everything" . So there is no longer any contrast, so there is no longer any inside and outside, so there is no longer any context, and so no meaningful answers are possible.

.  So all we have left is mysticism, like the Heart Sutra. You can't get there from here. If you're enlightened you get it, but don't need it.
.  If unenlightened you need the understanding, but can't find it in the irrational statement (in the Heart Sutra):
"Form is emptiness, emptiness is form".

These questions about 'everything', Solipsism, & other universals, often found in these threads also seem to ignore the relativity of all manifestation that both Einstein & Chuang Tzu pointed to.


Edited by laughingdog (12/15/20 09:06 PM)


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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: laughingdog]
    #27091616 - 12/16/20 06:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

"emptiness is form, form is emptiness"
is a piece of advice to those who yearn for the release from suffering:
a) yearning for emptiness creates an object in mind out of that which is the object of yearning.
b) however all forms in mind are emptiness - insubstantial temporary conformations of energy patterns.

the advice encourages dropping the yearning and seeing the mind as it is.

I do not know if that helps.


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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27091628 - 12/16/20 06:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

This was an energizing post written 11 years 1 months ago by LunarEclipse. This was my first post on The Shroomery, written 9 years 11 months ago.

LunarEclipse knew about me before I joined the forums and at that time I had no idea who LunarEclipse was and what The Shroomery was.

Now tell me something extremely abnormal is not going on.

Please reply, RGV.


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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Pinkerton]
    #27091715 - 12/16/20 07:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I find that when we meditate we push mental things distractions out of our mind
not to return
or we cease to engage in them
it's like driving a car
you get out of mental mud or weeds, they fall away
it is fascinating to me
and fascinating that it can go all the way to clean mind
and encouraging
and promising


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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Pinkerton]
    #27091727 - 12/16/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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This was an energizing post written 11 years 1 months ago by LunarEclipse. This was my first post on The Shroomery, written 9 years 11 months ago.

LunarEclipse knew about me before I joined the forums and at that time I had no idea who LunarEclipse was and what The Shroomery was.

Now tell me something extremely abnormal is not going on.

Please reply, RGV.



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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27092192 - 12/16/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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redgreenvines said:
"emptiness is form, form is emptiness"
is a piece of advice to those who yearn for the release from suffering:
a) yearning for emptiness creates an object in mind out of that which is the object of yearning.
b) however all forms in mind are emptiness - insubstantial temporary conformations of energy patterns.

the advice encourages dropping the yearning and seeing the mind as it is.

I do not know if that helps.



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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Rahz]
    #27093327 - 12/17/20 12:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So you're saying a void is just a part of the universe. Like the norm out there in cosmo land.

Because that's what I would say. And that us not being in that cosmic void is par from the norm. Ergo, an anomaly.

Imo at least :wink:


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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #27093388 - 12/17/20 01:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Reality is an emergent property of its own echos. We are all experiencing ghosts in the machine.


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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Faustoid]
    #27093608 - 12/17/20 07:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

i like that poetically


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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27093680 - 12/17/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
Quote:

Pinkerton said:
This was an energizing post written 11 years 1 months ago by LunarEclipse. This was my first post on The Shroomery, written 9 years 11 months ago.

LunarEclipse knew about me before I joined the forums and at that time I had no idea who LunarEclipse was and what The Shroomery was.

Now tell me something extremely abnormal is not going on.

Please reply, RGV.



there, there, now, Pinky, everything will be ok.



When, when, when is it my time to shine?


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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Pinkerton]
    #27093695 - 12/17/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

you will stop shining when it is over.
even now you are almost too bright to look at.

you could tone it down a notch.
but everything is fine. relax.


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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27093756 - 12/17/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I read relax is if Orgy is weak.


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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Pinkerton]
    #27093829 - 12/17/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

?


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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27093843 - 12/17/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Is orkie weak?


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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27093869 - 12/17/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I read 'relax' as if orkie is weak.

Is he?


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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Faustoid]
    #27101896 - 12/22/20 12:47 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Faustoid said:
Reality is an emergent property of its own echos. We are all experiencing ghosts in the machine.




Can you expand/elucidate this position a tad?


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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27101897 - 12/22/20 12:50 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27106931 - 12/25/20 05:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think I summed it up. Any deeper is just a hat on a hat.


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Re: Is existence of everything we know an anomaly? [Re: Faustoid] * 1
    #27109941 - 12/27/20 01:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I think I summed it up. Any deeper is just a hat on a hat.




I respectfully disagree.

You made a pretty bold, esoteric claim that begs several questions.

Unless it's just typical dorm room philosophy, which is all flash and no substance, then of course you'll argue going deeper is unnecessary.


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