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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones] * 1
    #27109449 - 12/26/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

That’s the age old question.. I’d say if you’re planning on doing both, don’t give your friends any PE.  It’ll spoil em

I’ve had this exact conversation with at least 4 ppl recently (over the summer)... “hey man, you have anymore mush? 

Yeah.. it’s these ones you’ve had before..

Oh..... those were alright, but do you have anymore PE??

Not atm.. my buddy I get them from says the guy he gets them from says they take longer to grow

Ok.. well when will you have more??

Umm probably like a month or two... you sure you don’t want these??

No, that’s ok.. I’ll wait”

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
    #27109460 - 12/26/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I hear that.:lol:

Could just grow nothing but Melmac. :shrug:

Sure it takes longer, but if you get a nice harvest rotation/schedule established, does the extra time matter?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
    #27109467 - 12/26/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ahh my friends already get spoiled enough they wouldn't be the ones demanding PE. My other friends have been looking for it.

Normally for birthdays and such I'll toss someone a quart to a half-lb of fruits and tell them to pass them around, pay it forward. My averys which for me are just so-so are enough for them.

I had a real winner of a culture I did up this year which melted brains, yielded great and LOOKED fantastic but it was shelved to cold storage because it sporulates and heavily so but I gave out prints on Shroomery first.

It's just too much to manage heavy spore dropping strains in large large grows. The smell, the taste and the look of spore dropped fruits is unacceptable to my standards. They say Averys have clear spores but I haven't seen it from my culture yet. I can't smell them, can't taste them unless a cap is huge and has gigantic gills. This is all working on the assumption that what I'm cultivating are actually Avery as the LC was labeled PE6. Averys seems the most plausible though given the so-so potency.

I've got Melmak on agar, after three transfers from a swab plate I really thought it was clean but something hitched a ride and contam'd the LC with bacteria. Went cloudy on its third day from agar to LC. I think my MS containers of Melmak from using another method will be harvested before I can get an from agar going with em. Might be time for a hot pour.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Failboat]
    #27109482 - 12/26/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I hear that.:lol:

Could just grow nothing but Melmac. :shrug:

Sure it takes longer, but if you get a nice harvest rotation/schedule established, does the extra time matter?




Right.. that first harvest of the year is a bitch but then it’s maybe a couple weeks in between if that

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
    #27109488 - 12/26/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I could go a few weeks in between harvests. Right now I do two daily, one at lights on and one before lights off. Sucks the fun right out of it. Now that I'm doing tubs of muda bottles it's a lot less work than before for harvesting but still.

Everyday, harvest, harvest, harvest, dry dry dry. Dispose of bottles that have succumbed to green, load new tubs, replace spent bottles in others. Clean used tubs, clean tools. Bag and shake, shake, shake newest dry load to get remaining sub off, bag and vacuum, Prep grains, prep grains, prep brains, shower, agar and LC work. Then repeat.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
    #27109498 - 12/26/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I hope i get it right this time. Everytime i've tried PE's before i got blobs or couple fruits in the end. Just started some Melmak, Ape, PE(Foxy) and PE(reg) plates today. Need to read up on proper casing i think and maybe do a proper mono instead of unmod.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
    #27109503 - 12/26/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Always do a peat based casing with pe(reg) not sure if you’ve seen Teds casing strategy yet.. not sure about the foxy one.. not even sure what that is lol.. sounds cool.. got a link?

I don’t think ape and melmak need one though. 

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
    #27109517 - 12/26/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Always do a peat based casing with pe(reg) not sure if you’ve seen Teds casing strategy yet.. not sure about the foxy one.. not even sure what that is lol.. sounds cool.. got a link?

I don’t think ape and melmak need one though. 

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Thanks man for the advice and reading. Foxy was one of Yessum's clones. I don't know if i can find a pic but from what i remember they were supposed to be very prolific small dicks compared to most pe. Hopefully in time i'll have something to show.

/e wasn't there a seed starter thing that was pretty much this recipe? like it just needed to be pasteurized or something. Or is mixing it yourself the way to go?

Edited by LtLurker (12/26/20 06:31 PM)

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker] * 2
    #27109538 - 12/26/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I treat my Melmac just like my other cubes, with a top layer of coir. Healthy spawn and properly hydrated coir is all it takes for heavy canopies. No blobs, no sporesplosion, plenty potency.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker] * 1
    #27109567 - 12/26/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Always do a peat based casing with pe(reg) not sure if you’ve seen Teds casing strategy yet.. not sure about the foxy one.. not even sure what that is lol.. sounds cool.. got a link?

I don’t think ape and melmak need one though. 

Faht



Thanks man for the advice and reading. Foxy was one of Yessum's clones. I don't know if i can find a pic but from what i remember they were supposed to be very prolific small dicks compared to most pe. Hopefully in time i'll have something to show.

/e wasn't there a seed starter thing that was pretty much this recipe? like it just needed to be pasteurized or something. Or is mixing it yourself the way to go?




Yep.. jiffy seed starter mix.. Home Depot has it for $6 in the states.. not sure where you are but it’s also a Canadian product



Just grab the bag in the back of the row.. and store it with the bag open and I’d suggest poking a bunch of needle holes in the bag.. it’ll mold if it’s kept too moist.  Definitely pasteurize but that’s all you have to do.. if you’re doing a ton of casing, it’s probably better/cheaper to mix yourself and adjust ph

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
    #27109581 - 12/26/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Cool thanks. I'll probably snag a bag or 2 to get started and grab larger quantities of the ingredients as i can to keep going forward. Bulk always pays off in the long run. I already get plates and coir by the box.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
    #27109632 - 12/26/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I was surprised how long the bag of jiffy mix lasted me. Cutting it with verm really stretched it out.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #27109643 - 12/26/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So if a casing layer needs to serve only to hold a microclimate and it's considered better if myc can grow on it but not colonize and consume it is there no synthetic materials that would serve? Or is it just too much of an issue that it's just easier to pasteurize jiffy mix.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
    #27109648 - 12/26/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Some people have tried synthetic options for casing. Most fall short since the best casing is one that is lightly colonized. Bubble wrap or wax paper were popular for a while but IMO are more of a crutch than a solution.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27109659 - 12/26/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Wrap/wax paper in my brain is a no go, high humidity but stagnant air underneath it means any bad guy spore that might have fallen on my shit might have a leg-up.  I've got t-methyl 50% SC which can make ANYTHING lightly colonized from what I've seen so far but only by virtue of retarding mycelial growth so that's not an option.

I guess for the thickness a little jiffy goes a long way. Starting PE soon for LAGM and should probably get the casing prep etc with my sous vide dongs figured out soon.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
    #27109704 - 12/26/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Honestly I’ve had blobs with jiffy and dicks with just a coir top layer enough times to tell say there is more to it than just the kind of casing you employ.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte] * 1
    #27109729 - 12/26/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I just started this year with PE, so not enough experience to say, but I've grown other PE varieties and reverts, some of them liked to blob.
I found that clones that were taken from agar invitro pins (or from the PF-tek pucks I like to do) didn't need a casing at all.
If a culture blobs on the PF-tek pucks or pins on the sides of it, then I know those will need a casing.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
    #27109739 - 12/26/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Posted this in pic of the day but I’ll throw it here too. I wasn’t using my pressure cooker properly apparently previously because since instant potting 125-135mins on max pressure? The bone broth option, I’ve had success and I am thrilled. I gave up years ago because I couldn’t wrap my pea sized brain around this stuff, took a few years off, fired back up and calmed my excited ass down and did stuff “by the book” and now I have APE WBS pins for the first time ever. This is my first bulk that didn’t mold before first flush in over 3-4 YEARS!!!

Thank you all for getting me back into this hobby. Such a fun thing to produce these bad boys in the house. Crazy.




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27109843 - 12/26/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Honestly I’ve had blobs with jiffy and dicks with just a coir top layer enough times to tell say there is more to it than just the kind of casing you employ.




You’re right.. it has to be thick.  I’ve run side by sides on a mini scale with the same culture
1/4” jiffy:


3/4” jiffy:


There’s definitely more to it.. but in a general sense, you’re going to fair better with a thick peat based casing with regular PE.  You might get lucky without one.. might.

Why? Fuck if I know

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: fahtster]
    #27109861 - 12/26/20 10:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I’ve had clones that never blobbed regardless of the casing media. One even did good with nothing more than a coir top layer.



This one was a little blobby but it’s not horrible



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