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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27109001 - 12/26/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Plus, buying 55 gallon drum of toluene usually raises more than a few eyebrows.

This is why ANFO or AN is much more common. Easy, cheap, and readily diverted from regular farming supply. Sadly, there is no clear picture of the explosion itself that I've seen.


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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27109005 - 12/26/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Dripping fuming nitric on a piece of paper results in a burning piece of paper.




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Dripping fuming nitric acid on your skin will leave a nice yellow spot that turns orange if you treat it will ammonia. It’s a cool trick.




Not in any significant quantity. Also, that yellow to brown stain usually comes with 1st or second degree equivalent chemical burn, depending on how quickly it's neutralized by adding ammonia.




Nah you don’t neutralize it with ammonia. You just wash it off. What’s cool about the ammonia reaction is you can treat the yellow spot days later with ammonia and change the color of the stain. Nitric acid isn’t particularly corrosive to skin if you remove it within a minute or two. The yellow stains are superficial and are a giveaway that someone might be making bombs.

You could dunk your hand in nitric acid and then wash it off with no harm done except for the fact that your entire hand would now be colored yellow for the next couple weeks. And not just a dull yellow. It’s like a fluorescent looking yellow. Like a tennis ball.



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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: koods]
    #27109011 - 12/26/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

What about tannerite? Could the guy have been stockpiling exploding targets to get his reagents?


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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: koods]
    #27109013 - 12/26/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, that yellow stain you're talking about is what most people refer to as "chemical burns". It's caused by reaction with keratin.

This reaction is very not good for your health.


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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27109015 - 12/26/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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What about tannerite? Could the guy have been stockpiling exploding targets to get his reagents?




Possible. But, again, question of scale. We are talking about hundreds of pounds. Unless the guy planned his (or "a") bombing years in advance, he'd be on every single government radar there is.

On the other hand, a farmer will go through hundreds of pounds of ammonium nitrate every growing season, and fuel oil is cheap and easily available in quantity.


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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27109024 - 12/26/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I’ve had those stains many times. They don’t hurt. They don’t peel. There’s no apparent change in your skin except for the color. As the top layer of skin naturally wears away the color disappears


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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27109025 - 12/26/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I mean, Nashville probably has dozens of outdoor sports stores. Seems like dude could go to each store and pick up a couple of the big ones every other day with cash, no?

I have no idea how much he would need to make a blast like that though


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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27109028 - 12/26/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Probably makes a difference what hydrocarbon is used, yes? Like, fuel oil means diesel, I think, but does it actually matter?


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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27109030 - 12/26/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I’ve had those stains many times. They don’t hurt. They don’t peel. There’s no apparent change in your skin except for the color. As the top layer of skin naturally wears away the color disappears




Yeah, because a few drops on a few square centimeters of skin won't be too bad.

A few dozen gallons on...everything will be very bad.

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I mean, Nashville probably has dozens of outdoor sports stores. Seems like dude could go to each store and pick up a couple of the big ones every other day with cash, no?

I have no idea how much he would need to make a blast like that though




Tannerite has 0.55 the explosive power of TNT. So, assuming 200lb TNT, 200/0.55=~360lb of tannerite.

I don;t know how much your average gun store keeps in stock, but that's definitely an amount that's going to lead to some questions.


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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27109035 - 12/26/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Probably makes a difference what hydrocarbon is used, yes? Like, fuel oil means diesel, I think, but does it actually matter?




No, fuel oil refers to heavy hydrocarbons. Not diesel. We're talking about tanker ship fuel. It's almost like tar.

Lighter hydrocarbons will cause different effects, yes, but you'll need even more of them, and their volatility makes that a problem.


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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27109037 - 12/26/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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What about tannerite? Could the guy have been stockpiling exploding targets to get his reagents?




Possible. But, again, question of scale. We are talking about hundreds of pounds. Unless the guy planned his (or "a") bombing years in advance, he'd be on every single government radar there is.

On the other hand, a farmer will go through hundreds of pounds of ammonium nitrate every growing season, and fuel oil is cheap and easily available in quantity.




Isn’t fertilizer grade AN mixed with other materials to make it less explosive?

The purest grade AN you can get over the counter is in these



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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27109038 - 12/26/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So if he bought 3 lbs every other day it would have taken 2/3 of a year-ish to aggregate his matetials


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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27109046 - 12/26/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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What about tannerite? Could the guy have been stockpiling exploding targets to get his reagents?




Possible. But, again, question of scale. We are talking about hundreds of pounds. Unless the guy planned his (or "a") bombing years in advance, he'd be on every single government radar there is.

On the other hand, a farmer will go through hundreds of pounds of ammonium nitrate every growing season, and fuel oil is cheap and easily available in quantity.




Isn’t fertilizer grade AN mixed with other materials to make it less explosive?

The purest grade AN you can get over the counter is in these




Doesn't need to be all that pure, TBH. Ammonium is a source of fuel, nitrate is a source of oxidizer. Plus, farming supply isn't "over the counter". It's often controlled. Hence why I'm thinking there is a farmer involved.

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So if he bought 3 lbs every other day it would have taken 2/3 of a year-ish to aggregate his matetials




Don't you think you'd notice the same guy coming back every other day for 8 months straight to buy a bunch of tannerite? Of course, maybe he was doing cross country loops every week, hitting gun store coast to coast.

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Gotta remember, explosive shit became a lot harder to come by after 2001, and chemicals in general became a lot harder to come by after 2005.


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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27109057 - 12/26/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

They sell the shit at cabelas and big 5 and shit. The cashier doesn't get paid enough to remember that you bought a 2 pack of targets the other day and they don't give a shit, even if they do, right?


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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27109058 - 12/26/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Dripping fuming nitric on a piece of paper results in a burning piece of paper.




No

Dripping fuming nitric acid on your skin will leave a nice yellow spot that turns orange if you treat it will ammonia. It’s a cool trick.




Not in any significant quantity. Also, that yellow to brown stain usually comes with 1st or second degree equivalent chemical burn, depending on how quickly it's neutralized by adding ammonia.



You can slowly walk to the sink. It's not like movies bro


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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27109061 - 12/26/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

When ammonium nitrate decomposes, you end up with excess nitrogen oxides. The fuel oil is not necessary, it just gets a little extra bang out of the explosion because you are extracting the energy from those nitrogen oxides. Most of the energy in ammonium nitrate and all of its power to detonate supersonically is contained within the ammonium nitrate itself. The excess fuel doesn’t really add much to the explosive power but adds a lot to the amount of fire and heat you would get. You could use any fuel really. Sugar. Wax. Charcoal.


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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: koods]
    #27109063 - 12/26/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I've read about solid fuel rocket motors that use asphalt pitch and powdered metals


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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27109065 - 12/26/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Dripping fuming nitric on a piece of paper results in a burning piece of paper.




No

Dripping fuming nitric acid on your skin will leave a nice yellow spot that turns orange if you treat it will ammonia. It’s a cool trick.




Not in any significant quantity. Also, that yellow to brown stain usually comes with 1st or second degree equivalent chemical burn, depending on how quickly it's neutralized by adding ammonia.



You can slowly walk to the sink. It's not like movies bro




The only acid exposure on skin I’ve had that you feel almost instantly is concentrated sulfuric acid and that’s because of the heat generated. It usually takes a good 20-30 seconds to even feel something like concentrated hydrochloric acid dropped on the skin unless it gets into a hair follicle.


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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27109068 - 12/26/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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They sell the shit at cabelas and big 5 and shit. The cashier doesn't get paid enough to remember that you bought a 2 pack of targets the other day and they don't give a shit, even if they do, right?



My friend who's a fellon bought a couple hundred pounds of tannerite in many trips


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Re: So...who bombed Nashville? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27109069 - 12/26/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I've read about solid fuel rocket motors that use asphalt pitch and powdered metals




They make amateur rocket motors out of pvc pipes where the pvc is the fuel


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