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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Enlil]
    #27108418 - 12/26/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Libel is legible, slander is spoken.

Alliterative rule of thumb.



If slander is recorded and replayed, that's libel.  Libel applies to any permanent form of defamation.




Hmm. I was actually wondering about that, because the rule of thumb doesn't really cover recordings. Good to know.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #27108459 - 12/26/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Bit of a boy who cried wolf situation to me.

First time Rogan was wrong and apologized, that was cool. Second time he was wrong and apologized, alright, whatever. Third time he was wrong and apologized, I'm starting to think those apologies aren't as genuine as they appear.




Im okay so long as he admits hes wrong whenever he happens to be wrong. He hits me as a person who is genuinely looking for answers and willing to hear from many sides. He used to think the moon landing never happened and has been presented evidence that it did, which was enough to change his mind.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27108461 - 12/26/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Bit of a boy who cried wolf situation to me.

First time Rogan was wrong and apologized, that was cool. Second time he was wrong and apologized, alright, whatever. Third time he was wrong and apologized, I'm starting to think those apologies aren't as genuine as they appear.




Im okay so long as he admits hes wrong whenever he happens to be wrong. He hits me as a person who is genuinely looking for answers and willing to hear from many sides. He used to think the moon landing never happened and has been presented evidence that it did, which was enough to change his mind.






if one is chronically "apologizing" for being wrong, it might seem best to, in the future, make sure one is not wrong, especially when fulfilling a role of a "journalist"


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 1
    #27108475 - 12/26/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Bit of a boy who cried wolf situation to me.

First time Rogan was wrong and apologized, that was cool. Second time he was wrong and apologized, alright, whatever. Third time he was wrong and apologized, I'm starting to think those apologies aren't as genuine as they appear.




Im okay so long as he admits hes wrong whenever he happens to be wrong. He hits me as a person who is genuinely looking for answers and willing to hear from many sides. He used to think the moon landing never happened and has been presented evidence that it did, which was enough to change his mind.




Ya know, there's a lot of overlap between the Yoga/Wellness/Crystals/"crunchy mom" community and Qanons. There's even a whole term for it, Conspirituality. Lot of interesting stuff.

Now, when we add in the old Mark Twain quote: “A lie can travel around the world and back again while the truth is lacing up its boots.”

Combine the two, and even with Joe Rogan's retractions, the damage is already done. Yeah, he can walk back his statements. Yeah, he can admit fault. But his tendency to approach everything non-critically makes his later recognition of his stupidity seem hollow at best.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Tulipslave]
    #27108489 - 12/26/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Bit of a boy who cried wolf situation to me.

First time Rogan was wrong and apologized, that was cool. Second time he was wrong and apologized, alright, whatever. Third time he was wrong and apologized, I'm starting to think those apologies aren't as genuine as they appear.




Im okay so long as he admits hes wrong whenever he happens to be wrong. He hits me as a person who is genuinely looking for answers and willing to hear from many sides. He used to think the moon landing never happened and has been presented evidence that it did, which was enough to change his mind.






if one is chronically "apologizing" for being wrong, it might seem best to, in the future, make sure one is not wrong, especially when fulfilling a role of a "journalist"



Joe rogan is not a journalist. Thats like saying the crazy hair dude from ancient aliens is a journalist.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 1
    #27108492 - 12/26/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Bit of a boy who cried wolf situation to me.

First time Rogan was wrong and apologized, that was cool. Second time he was wrong and apologized, alright, whatever. Third time he was wrong and apologized, I'm starting to think those apologies aren't as genuine as they appear.




Im okay so long as he admits hes wrong whenever he happens to be wrong. He hits me as a person who is genuinely looking for answers and willing to hear from many sides. He used to think the moon landing never happened and has been presented evidence that it did, which was enough to change his mind.






if one is chronically "apologizing" for being wrong, it might seem best to, in the future, make sure one is not wrong, especially when fulfilling a role of a "journalist"



Joe rogan is not a journalist. Thats like saying the crazy hair dude from ancient aliens is a journalist.





If someone is a media figurehead/spokesperson and publically presents ideas and/or facts, then yes, they are in essence a "journalist"


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #27108496 - 12/26/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Bit of a boy who cried wolf situation to me.

First time Rogan was wrong and apologized, that was cool. Second time he was wrong and apologized, alright, whatever. Third time he was wrong and apologized, I'm starting to think those apologies aren't as genuine as they appear.




Im okay so long as he admits hes wrong whenever he happens to be wrong. He hits me as a person who is genuinely looking for answers and willing to hear from many sides. He used to think the moon landing never happened and has been presented evidence that it did, which was enough to change his mind.




Ya know, there's a lot of overlap between the Yoga/Wellness/Crystals/"crunchy mom" community and Qanons. There's even a whole term for it, Conspirituality. Lot of interesting stuff.

Now, when we add in the old Mark Twain quote: “A lie can travel around the world and back again while the truth is lacing up its boots.”

Combine the two, and even with Joe Rogan's retractions, the damage is already done. Yeah, he can walk back his statements. Yeah, he can admit fault. But his tendency to approach everything non-critically makes his later recognition of his stupidity seem hollow at best.




I live near Woodstock NY so I know all about these people. I asked my friend about how she handles her lyme because my own lyme is flairing up. She gave me a few natural remedies, aaaaand also told me they just fired up a 5g tower nearby and to wear shungite to absorb the radio frequencies... I dont see joe rogan as that kind of person.

I can understand that people feel like giving a platform to anyone with those kinds of beliefs to express them may be compromised in some way. But watching joe Rogan he frequently corrects people in climate change denial and all kinds of other stuff that these conspiracy hacks push.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27108505 - 12/26/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The only times that he corrects people, from what I've seen, is when people are saying things that Rogan has fallen for before. Like, as you said, climate change.

The most generous explanation that I can give is that he does absolutely no background research or vetting on any guests he brings onto his show, and just wings it every time.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #27108517 - 12/26/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

This is why i dont consider him a journalist. Journalists do in depth research on things. Joe has interesting people on and just listens to their opinions. He isnt pushing anything as fact. He's as much a journalist as howard stern is a journalist.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Tulipslave] * 1
    #27108521 - 12/26/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You can have whatever opinion you want. But I'm telling you.... with first hand and intense deep level knowledge of who joe rogans public persona is....

The shit people like you dont like him for... he says while he is drunk and high as fuck. If you watch the full context you can literally see how he is tricked into believing fake things. We are talking 3 hour podcasts. The people he has on lead him to believe whatever it is he is to believe. He will fight and resist if he see's stupidity. He calls people out like a god damn champ. He fucking ripped Dave Rubin to SHREDS for being a shill. Its one of the all time best podcasts. He literally ghosts Rubin now. Says he doesnt have shills on his podcasts.


I'm telling you mate. Youre not valuing Rogan for what he is. He will never be right all the time. No one is. I'm not. Are you?


My reckoning of a good person is someone who is physically capable of being wrong.... and chooses to be wrong loudly. Hiding in the nuance.... thats for fucking pussies. Rogan is a vulnerable human drifting through the unknown willing to accept new stimuli. Thats better than me. I wish I could be THAT vulnerable. I still hold on to some pillars of "truth".




I'm just sorry you cant see it.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #27108528 - 12/26/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

He is most certainly not a journalist. He is a podcaster. He makes money by interviewing people and hes gotten crazy huge. Hes just working with the cards he was dealt. He likes having long form dialogue with people. You can tell he enjoys it.


Even if you considered him a journalist though... hes got more integrity than don lemon or chris tucker. By miles.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #27108529 - 12/26/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

And the fact is he never pushes anything as fact. He always states that hes just a guy shooting the shit about interesting things. If I broadcast my camping trips over the internet and people in my camping trip are talking politics, have I become a journalist?


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27108535 - 12/26/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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And the fact is he never pushes anything as fact. He always states that hes just a guy shooting the shit about interesting things. If I broadcast my camping trips over the internet and people in my camping trip are talking politics, have I become a journalist?





Dude exactly. Clearly you watch a significant amount of Joe. He basically SPAMS his podcasts with "i dont know shit about shit. dont listen to me im an idiot."

But these surface level fuckers who hate on him dont know about these gems that are constantly being brought up EVERY PODCAST multiple times.


I followed him through every single podcast. I remember hating on him ALL THE TIME for saying he wasnt addicted to weed and weed isnt addictive.

It took YEARS for him to finally admit hes addicted to weed. And now that he admits it and continues to smoke.... I'm cool with that. You can fuck up... just dont be a hypocrite or a liar.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #27108539 - 12/26/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Well, Rogan is right about the fact that he doesn't know shit about shit. Which is why he's a good useful idiot for spewing idiocy to a large audience.

In my experience, the kind of person that readily says "I don't know shit about shit, don't listen to me" only says that when called out for being an idiot. They don't admit that otherwise.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #27108542 - 12/26/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ive watched a good ammount. Definitely not all thousand some odd interviews but I do enjoy his podcast when I do put it on.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #27108546 - 12/26/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Except joe pretexts that all the time... He doesnt wait to be called out.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27108551 - 12/26/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That just means it's happened enough times.

plus, if he says it often enough, then it becomes that quick listing of possible side effects at the end of every drug ad. White noise.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Kryptos]
    #27108584 - 12/26/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Again, how seriously do you take someone like howard stern as a journalist? He has put up a platform for people to express opinions and has wide reach. Is stern a useful idiot for Hilary clinton (whos been on her show pushing her politics)?Joe rogan doesnt push any political ideologies like say jimmy dore (I used to like that guy). 

I think some people take his show too seriously for how little theyve actually watched it, or just run with whatever the news is pushing about him when he says something they dont like/has someone on with a conflicting opinion of theirs.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27108619 - 12/26/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

There's a difference between taking someone seriously and considering someone's actions to be dangerous.

I actually can't name a single personality that I take seriously. Can;t say I ever got in depth with Howard Stern, so I can;t speak to that, but from my exposure to Rogan podcasts, my most generous explanation of him is, again, a useful idiot/stooge for literally anyone to broadcast their bullshit to a wide audience. Jimmy Dore is the same thing, except on crack and with a bit of Tosh.O flavor. This goes for democrat drivel as well. Rachel Maddow is a fucking joke 99% of the time.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Kryptos]
    #27108648 - 12/26/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I definitely agree about jimmy fore these days. I would say shows like his are waaaay more dangerous than someone like Joe. When joe has alex jones on he corrects him every step of the way and also makes it a point to let his audience know that alex is a lunatic. It sucks that these days people just believe that because someone gets air time, that their opinions/lies/ whatever are somehow validated.


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