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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
    #27108025 - 12/25/20 10:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

None of that mentions comorbidity rates related to flu deaths. Nor gives context to your statement about 2.6 morbidities. I may not have been clear about what I was asking context for. Thats my fault.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
    #27108026 - 12/25/20 10:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Can you just answer these questions in your own words


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: koods]
    #27108027 - 12/25/20 10:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

He just posts a quote from an article with no context. That whole thing didnt reference the flu and comorbidity rates at all....


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27108031 - 12/25/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don’t think he’s ever answered anything without copy pasta


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27108049 - 12/25/20 11:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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He just posts a quote from an article with no context. That whole thing didnt reference the flu and comorbidity rates at all....




Flu excrabates comorbidities.

That article shows 22k flu deaths for 2019-2020 season. Are those deaths where flu was the ONLY cause of death? Is that a reason it's so low, they've stopped adding other comorbidities to those death certs, which by that article were unavailable at the time of estimate.

So, :shrug:.

Flu data seems to be unreliable and calculated using multipliers.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
    #27108050 - 12/25/20 11:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-do-you-die-from-flu

Other people may die from the flu because their immune systems are already compromised by another illness. “Getting the flu can exacerbate conditions like diabetes, asthma, and chronic lung disease,” Dr. Salber explains. “If someone with diabetes has mild renal failure, gets the flu, doesn’t keep up with hydration—which makes renal function worse—and can’t fight off the flu infection as well because they already have a lowered immune response, they can start to spiral out of control.”


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
    #27108097 - 12/25/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Kryptos said:
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Sure.

Except, No shoes, no shirt, no vaccine, no service.




Why not with flu shots then?




This should 100% apply to flu shots as well. And any other vaccines.




I strongly disagree.

Using words "any other" says you would be willing for everyone to take all the vaccines ever produced, which is extremely dangerous rhetoric to be spreading.

Check out Dengue Virus Vaccine and vaccine induced ADE.




Funny you bring up Dengue, because while Dengue, and the Aedes Aegypti mosquito that carries it, has historically been confined to more tropical areas, their range is expanding to cover the continental US. This is happening for a variety of reasons, primarily caused by warming climates in the southeastern US. While they are currently starting to appear in significant quantities in Texas and Florida, they are predicted to establish a stable population as far north as Indiana by 2050.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-019-0376-y

So yeah. I'd expect Dengue vaccine to get added to the standard vaccination protocol in the US over the next few decades.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27108128 - 12/26/20 12:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The global population at risk from mosquito-borne diseases—including dengue, yellow fever, chikungunya and Zika—is expanding in concert with changes in the distribution of two key vectors: Aedes aegypti and Aedes albopictus. The distribution of these species is largely driven by both human movement and the presence of suitable climate. Using statistical mapping techniques, we show that human movement patterns explain the spread of both species in Europe and the United States following their introduction. We find that the spread of Ae. aegypti is characterized by long distance importations, while Ae. albopictus has expanded more along the fringes of its distribution. We describe these processes and predict the future distributions of both species in response to accelerating urbanization, connectivity and climate change. Global surveillance and control efforts that aim to mitigate the spread of chikungunya, dengue, yellow fever and Zika viruses must consider the so far unabated spread of these mosquitos. Our maps and predictions offer an opportunity to strategically target surveillance and control programmes and thereby augment efforts to reduce arbovirus burden in human populations globally.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
    #27108133 - 12/26/20 01:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

1 Why did you copy/paste that?
2 Did you read it before you copy/pasted it?


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Lynnch]
    #27108136 - 12/26/20 01:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If I had to guess, he misread the part where they're studying human movement as if that disproved the climate angle, which is clearly referenced as the primary cause alongside human movement.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: koods]
    #27108296 - 12/26/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I’d like him to explain the 350,000 extra deaths this year if not covid. Did everyone suddenly stop taking their vitamins? He’s literally never explained what is killing all these people if not covid




Probably a national zinc shortage. Let's blame China.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27108301 - 12/26/20 06:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

China would be a lithium shortage. Guess the bipolar people all went nuts.

EDIT: Shit, china is also the main zinc producer in the world.


Edited by Kryptos (12/26/20 06:31 AM)


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27108396 - 12/26/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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If I had to guess, he misread the part where they're studying human movement as if that disproved the climate angle, which is clearly referenced as the primary cause alongside human movement.




Using statistical mapping techniques, we show that human movement patterns explain the spread of both species in Europe and the United States following their introduction.

Introduction? Like, they these mosquitos were introduced?

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/weekly-dengue-cases-drop-to-year-low-after-historically-severe-outbreak-084200450.html

"Community stakeholders began to mobilise efforts to check households for potential mosquito breeding habitats, and encourage residents to use insect repellent and insecticides. Town councils were also mobilised to step up inspections and vector control operations in the common areas of estates."

I wonder if breathing in insect repellent and insecticides causes any health issues. Those are some pretty harsh chems, have they all been tested for human safety? I bet many of them are dangerous for human consumption.

Talk about introduction.

https://www.gatesnotes.com/Health/Mosquito-City

'Ol Bill Gates is breeding mosquitos by the millions, possibly billions. For research? Hope he has a really big cage to keep those mosquitoes at bay.

:canthelpbutlaugh:

Sorry, I can't help but point that out, why would Bill want so many mosquitoes?

Introduction

"On May 1, 2020, the company Oxitec received an experimental use permit from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to release millions of GM mosquitoes (labeled by Oxitec as OX5034) every week over the next two years in Florida and Texas. Females of this mosquito species, Aedes aegypti, transmit dengue, chikungunya, yellow fever and Zika viruses. When these lab-bred GM males are released and mate with wild females, their female offspring die. Continual, large-scale releases of these OX5034 GM males should eventually cause the temporary collapse of a wild population."

Gates Foundation Awards $4.1 Million for Mosquito Engineering

All that fucking money and he's interested in creating new strains of mosquitoes? And releasing them?

:whattefuck2:

I would think, I would want LESS mosquitoes. Those buggers are annoying AF.

After a field experiment between 2013 and 2015, genetically modified mosquitoes are breeding in Brazil. According to the researchers' original plan, all released mosquitoes and their offspring should have died.

So, uh, yeah, looks like there are some humans releasing mosquitoes.

"An attempt to contain the populations of the yellow fever mosquito Aedes aegypti in Brazil may have failed. It appears that gene mutations have been transferred to the local population.

The British company Oxitec had released about 450,000 male mosquitoes every week in the city of Jacobina in the Bahia region with official permission over a period of 27 weeks. The experminet was designed to control the infectious diseases dengue, zika and yellow fever."

Study on DNA spread by genetically modified mosquitoes prompts backlash

Millions of genetically modified mosquitoes to be released in Florida

Um, how about no to releasing millions of mosquitoes? Ya know, to help prevent some of these mosquito born diseases.

:shrug:


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
    #27108403 - 12/26/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Did you ever get to the point of the mosquito releases?

They're genetically modified to have fucked up unviable mosquito children. Hence why releasing them would cause a local population collapse. They compete with the local population for mates, but never properly knock the lady mosquitos up because they're shooting blanks.

It's like the monsanto corn which doesn't produce viable seeds.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27108435 - 12/26/20 08:53 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Did you ever get to the point of the mosquito releases?

They're genetically modified to have fucked up unviable mosquito children. Hence why releasing them would cause a local population collapse. They compete with the local population for mates, but never properly knock the lady mosquitos up because they're shooting blanks.

It's like the monsanto corn which doesn't produce viable seeds.




https://m.dw.com/en/genetically-modified-mosquitoes-breed-in-brazil/a-50414340

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Genetically modified mosquitoes breed in Brazil
By Fabian Schmidt | 13.09.2019
A yellow fever mosquito, Aedes aegypti
After a field experiment between 2013 and 2015, genetically modified mosquitoes are breeding in Brazil. According to the researchers' original plan, all released mosquitoes and their offspring should have died.

An attempt to contain the populations of the yellow fever mosquito Aedes aegypti in Brazil may have failed. It appears that gene mutations have been transferred to the local population.

The gene modification called OX513A in the mosquitoes was designed in such a way that the first descendant generation of the mosquitoes, known as F1, would not reach the adult stage and thus not be able to reproduce.

Mosquito population collapsed during the trial period
The hope of the Ministry of Health was to reduce mosquito populations by 90 percent. And this worked well during the field trial. About 18 months after the end of the experiment, the mosquito population returned to what it had been before.

The gene modification of the released mosquitoes also produced a fluorescent protein that made it possible to distinguish the first F1 generation from other mosquitoes.

Researchers at Yale University have examined the mosquitoes found in the region for their genetic alterations one year after the release, as well as 27 to 30 months after the release.

They came to the conclusion that parts of the gene alteration had unexpectedly migrated into the target population of local mosquitoes.

Gene modification was passed on
In the different samples, between 10 and 60 percent of the mosquitoes carried corresponding changes in the genome. The study was published in Nature: Scientific Reports on September 10.

If the field trial had taken place as originally predicted, the gene modification would not have been allowed to migrate into the mosquito populations because the offspring of the mosquitoes originally released would not have been able to reproduce.

However, it was already known from previous laboratory experiments that a small proportion of about three to four percent of OX513A descendants can reach adulthood; the scientists had assumed that those would be too weak to reproduce.

The authors of the study found that the GM mosquitoes were equally suitable as carriers of infectious diseases as the mosquitos were before the experiment.

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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
    #27108448 - 12/26/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So, in other words, it worked.

Of course, nature finds a way.

For some reason, we still think we're gonna beat nature at her game with climate change. Which is why we will probably all die.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27108455 - 12/26/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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So, in other words, it worked.

Of course, nature finds a way.

For some reason, we still think we're gonna beat nature at her game with climate change. Which is why we will probably all die.




Sure, for 18 months, then what, release more GM mosquitoes?

:whateveryousayfreak:

How about, not releasing them to begin with. Considering they still carry infections diseases, like wild mosquitoes.

Wild, mosquitoes.

Seriously?


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
    #27108460 - 12/26/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Well, option B is to tackle climate change so that the range of the mosquitos stays limited.

Ain't no way Bolsonaro, or the rest of the world, for that matter, will ever do that.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
    #27108486 - 12/26/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-do-you-die-from-flu

Other people may die from the flu because their immune systems are already compromised by another illness. “Getting the flu can exacerbate conditions like diabetes, asthma, and chronic lung disease,” Dr. Salber explains. “If someone with diabetes has mild renal failure, gets the flu, doesn’t keep up with hydration—which makes renal function worse—and can’t fight off the flu infection as well because they already have a lowered immune response, they can start to spiral out of control.”




This. The diabetics in the example would have lived if not for the flu exaccerbating their disease. Ergo the flu killed them. Not their diabetes. Same for corona.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27108487 - 12/26/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Well, option B is to tackle climate change so that the range of the mosquitos stays limited.

Ain't no way Bolsonaro, or the rest of the world, for that matter, will ever do that.




:ohwow:

So, attempts to control mosquitoes, climate change needs to be addressed.

Ok.

In the meantime, lets continue releasing millions of mosquitoes until we can get around to fixing our climate.

They're GM mosquitoes, no problem. Eventually, they will evolve to work like they've been designed and there will be no more mosquitos.

Forget about global poverty, we need more GM mosquitoes.

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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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