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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: mycot]
#27107871 - 12/25/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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mycot said: Here in Australia children of primary age kept right on going to school, no mask wearing or social distancing. No problems occurred from this. There is no good reason for making these kids wear masks.
What people think of mask wearing is often based on rather simple assumptions rather than the science.
You don’t need masks when you only have a few cases
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: koods]
#27107882 - 12/25/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ive got an idea to reach herd immunity naturally. Everyone gathers in their town square and coughs in each others mouths. The goal is to try and have everyone cough in everyone elses mouth within say an hour. That way we can make sure to spread it around quick. Meanwhile we take zinq suppositories before hand so that our immunes systems are boosted enough live through it.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#27107889 - 12/25/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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HCQ and other types of theoretical prophylaxis would be interfering with herd immunity as well, but hamhead only cares about masks and social distancing. Maybe he can explain.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: koods]
#27107893 - 12/25/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well the good news is, with my plan, you can always wait for the hcq to wear off and have someone cough in your mouth later
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] 1
#27107908 - 12/25/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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At that point, why not just schedule a mandatory orgy?
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
#27107911 - 12/25/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats such a better idea...
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#27107913 - 12/25/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Great ideas!

How about, everyone goes about their normal lives pre covid and if someone thinks they might feel a little ill, they can isolate themselves to slow spread of cold and flu viruses, AND take vitamins.
Sort of like how 2019 went.

Sounds pretty fucking logical to me. Considering.
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
#27107917 - 12/25/20 09:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sure.
Except, No shoes, no shirt, no vaccine, no service.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
#27107931 - 12/25/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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And no healthcare
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
#27107953 - 12/25/20 09:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kryptos said: Sure.
Except, No shoes, no shirt, no vaccine, no service.
Why not with flu shots then?
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
#27107956 - 12/25/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because the flu rarely kills 300000+ people in the USA. 2018-2019 flu deaths were 36000
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
#27107960 - 12/25/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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HamHead said:
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Kryptos said: Sure.
Except, No shoes, no shirt, no vaccine, no service.
Why not with flu shots then?
This should 100% apply to flu shots as well. And any other vaccines.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: koods]
#27107961 - 12/25/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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No service for alcoholics , cigarette users and people who don't look after their health with a healthy diet ?
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#27107967 - 12/25/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Because the flu rarely kills 300000+ people in the USA. 2018-2019 flu deaths were 36000
Average 2.6 other underlying comorbidities.

We can argue about this all day. And I will, because when someone test positive at 37 cycles of a PCR test and dies of a heart attack 3 weeks later, that death had nothing to do with Coronavirus 19 or Covid 19.
Compare flu test to Coronavirus 19 test, as I have been, to get a different perspective.
Bigger nets = more fish.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
#27107972 - 12/25/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kryptos said:
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HamHead said:
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Kryptos said: Sure.
Except, No shoes, no shirt, no vaccine, no service.
Why not with flu shots then?
This should 100% apply to flu shots as well. And any other vaccines.
I strongly disagree.
Using words "any other" says you would be willing for everyone to take all the vaccines ever produced, which is extremely dangerous rhetoric to be spreading.
Check out Dengue Virus Vaccine and vaccine induced ADE.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
#27107973 - 12/25/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enough with this qanon garbage
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
#27107978 - 12/25/20 09:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can you add some context to like all of that? And how many flu deaths do you think have a comorbid factor? Do you for some reason think that there are no long term affects from covid that exaccerbate said comorbidities to a point they might not otherwise be? To the point of lethality? For example lung scarring. Which can kead to less blood oxygen, in turn higher blood pressure that can exaccerbate heart conditions etc. Etc.... You're not looking at the whole picture dude. I dont think you understand comorbidity.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#27107985 - 12/25/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I’d like him to explain the 350,000 extra deaths this year if not covid. Did everyone suddenly stop taking their vitamins? He’s literally never explained what is killing all these people if not covid
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: koods]
#27107990 - 12/25/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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350000 diabetics all decided to pig out on ice cream hardcore this year.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#27108010 - 12/25/20 10:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Can you add some context to like all of that? And how many flu deaths do you think have a comorbid factor? Do you for some reason think that there are no long term affects from covid that exaccerbate said comorbidities to a point they might not otherwise be? To the point of lethality? For example lung scarring. Which can kead to less blood oxygen, in turn higher blood pressure that can exaccerbate heart conditions etc. Etc.... You're not looking at the whole picture dude. I dont think you understand comorbidity.
""This happens because the flu virus injures the lungs and causes inflammation that then makes it easier for bacteria to invade the lungs and cause a very serious infection," Bocchini told CBS News. "The bacterial infection can make it hard for children to breathe, and their lungs struggle to get enough oxygen for their body."
Sepsis is another complication that can lead to death. It occurs when the body overreacts to an infection. Sepsis can affect multiple organ systems, sometimes causing organ failure and resulting in death."
Inflammation causes issues. Some people are constantly inflamed. Fibromyalgia?
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During the 2019-2020 influenza season, CDC estimates that influenza was associated with 38 million illnesses, 18 million medical visits, 405,000 hospitalizations, and 22,000 deaths. The influenza burden was higher in young children (0-4 years) and adults (18-49 years) compared with a recent season with the 2017-2018 season, a recent season with high severity, and provides evidence to support how severe seasonal influenza can be at any age.
Burden Estimates Limitations These estimates are subject to several limitations.
First, rates of influenza-associated hospitalizations are based on data reported to the Influenza Hospitalization Surveillance Network (FluSurv–NET) through September 2, 2020. Final case counts may differ slightly as further data cleaning from the 2019-2020 season are conducted by FluSurv–NET sites. The most updated crude rates of hospitalization for FluSurv-NET sites are available on FluView Interactive (6).
Second, national rates of influenza-associated hospitalizations and in-hospital death were adjusted for the frequency of influenza testing and the sensitivity of influenza diagnostic assays, using a multiplier approach (3). However, data on testing practices during the 2019–2020 season were not available at the time of estimation. We adjusted rates using the lowest multiplier from any season between 2010–2011 and 2017–2018. Burden estimates from the 2019–2020 season will be updated at a later date when data on contemporary testing practices become available.
Third, estimates of influenza-associated illness are made by multiplying the number of hospitalizations by the ratio of illnesses to hospitalizations; estimates of medical visits are made by a similar process. These multipliers are based on data from a prior season, which may not be accurate if patterns of care-seeking have changed.
Fourth, our estimate of influenza-associated deaths relies on information about location of death from death certificates to calculate ratios of deaths occurring in the hospital to deaths occurring outside of the hospital by categories of causes of death. However, death certificate data during the 2019–2020 season were not available at the time of estimation. We used death certification data from all influenza seasons from 2010–2011 through 2017–2018 where these data were available from the National Center for Health Statistics. To calculate these ratios, first we calculate the frequency of flu-related deaths reported from our FluSurv-NET surveillance system that have cause of death identified as pneumonia or influenza (P&I), other respiratory or cardiovascular (other R&C), or other non-respiratory, non-cardiovascular (non-R&C). Next, to account for deaths occurring outside of a hospital, we use information from national death certificates to calculate the proportion of deaths from these causes that occur in and out of the hospital. Data to generate these frequencies were not available from the 2019–2020 season at the time of estimation, so we used the average frequencies of location of death for each of the cause categories from previous seasons, 2010–2011 through 2017–2018.
Fifth, estimates of burden were derived from rates of influenza-associated hospitalization, which is a different approach than the statistical models used in older published reports. This makes it difficult to directly compare our estimates for seasons since 2009 to those older reports, though the estimates from our current method are largely consistent with estimates produced with statistical models for similar years (12–13). However, it is useful to keep in mind that direct comparisons to influenza disease burden decades ago are complicated by large differences in the age of the US population and the increasing number of adults aged ≥65 years."
Oh these rabbit holes.
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