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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] 1
#27106636 - 12/24/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Like, really, do you think if a huge number of people arent complying that you can say masks and distancing dont help?
I think risk evaluation has been thrown out a window and a majority (99.7%) should survive a coronavirus 19 infection.
Those at risk may want to think about taking action to boost their immune systems. Especially those over age 75.
Florida has some good data on mask vs no mask. Texas as well.
And let us not forget Sweden. Haven't seen any news on Sweden lately, let's check it out! See if they're locking down or have implemented mask mandates.
Beep bop boop pop.

Seems like Sweden is coming out of a second wave, clearly, on that graph. Also to note, 99.9% mild conditions and N/A recovered.
Once you got it, it's like herpes I guess. Will we see flare ups later?
How Sweden Abandoned Its Most Vulnerable And Its Principles
"Despite the ‘precautionary principle’ being a cornerstone of Swedish democracy, the country’s authorities chose not to enact early or effective protections to shield its most vulnerable. 90% of Sweden’s COVID-19 deaths have been among people aged 70 and over; half of whom lived in long-term care facilities.
“Most of the elderly die without ICU (intensive care unit) care,” Anders Tegnell, chief epidemiologist at Sweden’s Public Health Agency (FHM), wrote to colleagues on 24 March. Despite this knowledge, the Government under Prime Minister Stefan Löfven and its authorities did not take measures to ensure that its elderly were protected.
The Swedish Health and Care Inspectorate (IVO) reported in its investigation that one-fifth of people in nursing homes were denied their right to receive an individual medical assessment. Failures were cited in all of Sweden’s 21 healthcare regions.
“The casualties in Sweden are mostly in elderly homes and older people,” Prime Minister Löfven said on 8 September. “That has nothing to do with people walking in the city.”
a healthcare centre in Jönköping who has since left his country in protest at how Sweden has handled the Coronavirus pandemic.
On 8 April, he received an email ordering him to make care plans for his patients. The email contained a link to a video on how to provide “end-of-life care with COVID-19 in primary care” which recommended morphine as a first treatment and did not mention oxygen.
In the planning of care, it was assessed whether a patient, in the event of contracting COVID-19, would stay in the nursing home and receive morphine or if they would be strong enough to survive the ICU and a ventilator. “There was no middle road of getting oxygen treatment or other care at the hospital,” Dr Tallinger said.
The answer to why there were failures in all of Sweden’s 21 health care regions may lie in the guidelines produced by the Board, which is responsible for regulating medical care and social services."
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
#27106644 - 12/24/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Swedens top epidemiologist, who helped develope their plan says he regrets the plan. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-06-03/man-behind-sweden-s-virus-strategy-says-he-got-some-things-wrong
At 43 deaths per 100,000, Sweden’s mortality rate is among the highest globally and far exceeds that of neighboring Denmark and Norway, which imposed much tougher lockdowns at the onset of the pandemic.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
#27106647 - 12/24/20 10:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jesus christ and your article is basically saying "fuck old people let them die". Despicable.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#27106655 - 12/24/20 10:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those at risk may want to think about taking action to boost their immune systems. Especially those over age 75.
Yes. It’s called a vaccine.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#27106663 - 12/24/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Jesus christ and your article is basically saying "fuck old people let them die". Despicable.
I think people might be catching onto this. Slowly, but catching on.
For example, there are no essential workers. There are essential jobs. Workers are replaceable.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#27106668 - 12/24/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Jesus christ and your article is basically saying "fuck old people let them die". Despicable.
Well, that's what Andrew Cuomo was doing in NYC by putting old people with possible Covid 19 positive test in nursing homes, remember?
And that article confirms what LeningradCowboy was saying about how Sweden was giving morphine to elderly.
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
#27106670 - 12/24/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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It’s even worse. It’s fuck old people and anyone who isn’t in perfect health. It’s eugenics by proxy.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
#27106673 - 12/24/20 11:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Jesus christ and your article is basically saying "fuck old people let them die". Despicable.
Well, that's what Andrew Cuomo was doing in NYC by putting old people with possible Covid 19 positive test in nursing homes, remember?
And that article confirms what LeningradCowboy was saying about how Sweden was giving morphine to elderly.
I thought Sweden was the perfect example of how to handle covid. Well, right next to South Dakota which has had the highest covid death rate for at least six weeks
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: koods]
#27106685 - 12/24/20 11:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just in case people don’t understand the South Dakota reference. Hamhrad started pushing the qanon propaganda that South Dakota was the epitome of good covid management.
Of course he’ll never recognize how wrong his q theories have turned out to be
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
#27106687 - 12/24/20 11:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Jesus christ and your article is basically saying "fuck old people let them die". Despicable.
Well, that's what Andrew Cuomo was doing in NYC by putting old people with possible Covid 19 positive test in nursing homes, remember?
And that article confirms what LeningradCowboy was saying about how Sweden was giving morphine to elderly.
So what youre saying is youre cool with letting the old people die of covid...unless cuomo is the reason the old people die of covid? Lol if cuomo is liable for those old people dying I say string him up. The right wing cried about fabled death panels over the ACA. I remember watching the news and conservatives were crying about how democrats were going to Ayn Rand their grandparents. But theyre fine with Ayn Randing old people if theyre inconvenienced by wearing masks....
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#27106702 - 12/24/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Where did I say I was OK with old people dying?
I said earlier, those at risk should boost their immune systems.
I think you are misunderstanding. A majority (90%) of those who died in Sweden were over age 70, half of which died in nursing homes. Their 'end of life for Covid19 in primary care' protocols included morphine.
It seems like Sweden wasn't caring for their elderly, though at least in NYC, they weren't killing them with morphine, but with ventilators, a much more, how to say, tragic way to go, tube down throat in coma, isolated from family and friends.
I wonder what would have happened had nothing been done. Think those people would have gotten morphine doses if there wasn't Coronavirus 19?
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
#27106705 - 12/24/20 11:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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If your idea of handling this is to just hope for herd immunity then youre okay with old people dying in mass numbers. Thats quite literally what herd immunity is. Thinning the herd.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#27106728 - 12/25/20 12:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: If your idea of handling this is to just hope for herd immunity then youre okay with old people dying in mass numbers. Thats quite literally what herd immunity is. Thinning the herd.

Thinning the herd?

I'll say it again, those at high risk should take actions to boost their own immune system. If they feel they need protection, they should isolate themselves and let the remaining 98% of the population who will survive, continue on and build natural herd immunity, while high risk people isolate and care for themselves better. Edit; if unable to care for themselves, like my neighbor, someone can be either hired or donate their time, like his ex wife.
Old people die at higher rates than young people. It's what happens when people get to be over 70, their immune systems start failing and they become susceptible to diseases.
People act like a coronavirus 19 infection is a death sentence.
And it's psychologically damaging and dangerous to our children. Being told they have to wear a mask and social distance from their friends.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
#27106792 - 12/25/20 01:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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HamHead said: And it's psychologically damaging and dangerous to our children. Being told they have to wear a mask and social distance from their friends.
There it is. The argument that started the war on drugs.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
#27107124 - 12/25/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Making children wear pants destoys their childhood
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: koods]
#27107270 - 12/25/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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There’s not a right or wrong answer.
We’ve always drawn an arbitrary line between personal liberty and what’s best for society.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
#27107304 - 12/25/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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They won't make it mandatory but will if you want to see a concert in the future, a movie, travel etc.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: ishkabibble]
#27107333 - 12/25/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pfft masks will be a thing of the past by the end of the summer
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: koods] 1
#27107541 - 12/25/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here in Australia children of primary age kept right on going to school, no mask wearing or social distancing. No problems occurred from this. There is no good reason for making these kids wear masks.
What people think of mask wearing is often based on rather simple assumptions rather than the science.
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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
#27107817 - 12/25/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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HamHead said: And it's psychologically damaging and dangerous to our children. Being told they have to wear a mask and social distance from their friends.
There it is. The argument that started the war on drugs.
ThInK oF tHe ChilDrEn.
Exactly. Thats why they go around accusing everyone and their grandma of being pedophiles. Because if you bring the children into it no ones gonna argue against you. The argument in the left devolves into people calling others nazis, the argument on the right devolves into calling others pedophiles.
As for taking your vitamins...yes always take your vitamins. It helps keep your immune system running in good shape.any Any illness really, if youre getting the vitamins and minerals you need, you'll have slightly better odds at beating it. This is very basic nutritional science.
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