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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27107066 - 12/25/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Politics is a reflection of culture. It doesn't create it.




Nonsense.

The culture of any society is predicated on its material condition.  This is basic “pyramid of human needs” psychology 101 shit.




Keep moving that goalpost.  The material condition of a society isn't its politics.


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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #27107077 - 12/25/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Material condition > politics > culture

Example: slavery exists > politics around slavery > culture borne out of society with slavery

You don’t get Dred Scott, Missouri Compromise, Civil war without slaves, and you don’t get antebellum south planter culture without slaves, you don’t get jazz without slaves, you don’t get a divergence of black culture when freed slaves move north during reconstruction, etc.


It’s actually really simple. Jazz didn’t spring into existence from the void, it’s a direct product of the politics around slavery, and black existence in America, and you don’t get the latter without slavery in the first place.



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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27107106 - 12/25/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It's more like Material condition > culture>politics.


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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #27107126 - 12/25/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

As a former anthropology major, I would suggest that material conditions and politics are both manifestations of culture, which of course at a basic level is the shared mental contents of a particular society.

Just a couple of cents.


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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: DividedQuantum] * 2
    #27107173 - 12/25/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

seems to me that they would all influence each other with potential for feedback loops


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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: ballsalsa] * 3
    #27107192 - 12/25/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

most definitely


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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: DividedQuantum] * 2
    #27107225 - 12/25/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Absolutely feedback loops, culture has staying power and survives generations, it’s not entirely predicated on material conditions, but it manifests because of them.


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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27109147 - 12/26/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Trump has to sign it.  He thinks it is a joke and is golfing which is fine.  Congress has no power.  Senate says, sign it, and sent it to Florida.  Will he?  Will see.  Would like the 2 grand and can wait.

But yes, this is amusing to me.  And how it would effect so many if Trump waits it out for a new bill and they start from scratch.  Doubt he will do this but could.


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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: Barnaby]
    #27109233 - 12/26/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Six more hours


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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: koods]
    #27109242 - 12/26/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The bill will automatically become law if he doesn’t sign it in a few more days, but the cares act expires at midnight and all the pandemic assistance ends. Federal eviction moratorium ends.

He doesn’t care. He’s a vindictive bitch and he wants to punish the country for not re-electing him


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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: koods]
    #27109822 - 12/26/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Anddddd.... he didn’t sign it.


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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: koods] * 1
    #27109826 - 12/26/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

He wants more for the American people.


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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27110807 - 12/27/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Material condition > politics > culture

Example: slavery exists > politics around slavery > culture borne out of society with slavery

You don’t get Dred Scott, Missouri Compromise, Civil war without slaves, and you don’t get antebellum south planter culture without slaves, you don’t get jazz without slaves, you don’t get a divergence of black culture when freed slaves move north during reconstruction, etc.


It’s actually really simple. Jazz didn’t spring into existence from the void, it’s a direct product of the politics around slavery, and black existence in America, and you don’t get the latter without slavery in the first place.






Yes blues too, which had a more continuing influence on the music to follow. I'll say one thing about jazz and culture. It brought us the word "cool" which has to be the most enduring and still very popular slang word in our dialect.


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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: koods]
    #27113016 - 12/28/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

House passes $2,000 per American Covid-19 relief bill requested by Trump

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The resolution now goes to the Senate for approval.


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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27113038 - 12/28/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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House passes $2,000 per American Covid-19 relief bill requested by Trump

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The resolution now goes to the Senate for approval.



Oh great now it has to go through the Senate? Now we're back at square fucking one again.


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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] * 1
    #27113241 - 12/28/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Bernie Sanders to delay defense veto override in bid for $2,000 checks

“McConnell and the Senate want to expedite the override vote and I understand that. But I’m not going to allow that to happen unless there is a vote, no matter how long that takes, on the $2,000 direct payment,”


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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: Lynnch]
    #27113280 - 12/28/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Does anyone believe trump is lobbying anyone in the senate to get this done?


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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: koods] * 1
    #27113492 - 12/29/20 04:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

He's like a not-so-supervillain in a lesser viewed Golan-Globus production.


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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: Asante]
    #27113589 - 12/29/20 06:47 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not sure what Trump's motivations are.

Maybe he wants to help people. I know, but I thought I would at least mention it. He does have a track record of trying to improve our current economic situation with little regard for how it will get paid for later.

Maybe he wants to leave office with a higher approval rating.

This is my favorite one. Maybe he wants to screw the Republicans for not giving him total support in his election conspiracy theory. The $2000 is putting the Republicans in a catch 22. They are either going to piss off the regular people or piss off the fiscal conservatives (we haven't been hearing from them lately, but they'll be back, very soon with Trump leaving office). It really disadvantages the two incumbent Senators from Georgia. If they vote no they lose undecided voters, and they may not be able to go home to campaign with Bernie et al threatening to keep the Senate in Washington into the new year.


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Re: After 9 months, Congress finally reaches a $900 billion covid relief... [Re: Brian Jones] * 5
    #27113607 - 12/29/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

r/conservative is absolutely losing their minds right now. They all want the $2k but have found themselves in a crisis because all of the people they voted for demanded just $600. They also can't figure out how to deal with their socialist urges while demanding capitalism run free.


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