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How long do I need to stop kratom before safely taking caapi tea
    #27106932 - 12/25/20 05:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I’ve done a some research and it seems kratom is a bad idea to combine with maois. I just took some kratom (5:55am) would i be safe to drink a 50 gram caapi brew around 5-6 tonight? or even earlier perhaps? I take kratom daily, 2-3 times a day.Thanks.


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Re: How long do I need to stop kratom before safely taking caapi tea [Re: InvisibleMind]
    #27106947 - 12/25/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

i guess if you wait for 6 hours, you should be fine. but in fact, i do not know for certain. i guess, you have to feel it for yourself


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Re: How long do I need to stop kratom before safely taking caapi tea [Re: epilectric]
    #27107245 - 12/25/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I am sure I have mixed MAOIs and kratom several times without any negative effects. I know I must have researched any contraindications before I did this, but looking it up right now seems to bring back a lot of serious concerns about this combo.

if you take kratom 2-3x daily, will missing those doses for the caapi  cause you to go into withdrawal?

edit: to clarify, I hope I didn’t seem like I was saying this combo might be ok just because I did it (irresponsibly I guess) and it was fine.

I remember looking into this years ago, not because I wanted to take caapi while on kratom but because I thought harmine or harmaline could potentiate kratom or opiates.


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Re: How long do I need to stop kratom before safely taking caapi tea [Re: InvisibleMind]
    #27107580 - 12/25/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Everything I’ve found has recommended you break for at least 3-5 days and preferably a couple weeks.  Apparently kratom has a lot of shit going on with how it works and it’s not recommended to throw a maoi at that.

No answer I found was certain, 100% but some people who seemed smarter than me convinced me that if it were me I’d give it time to cycle out.

Something to note...  I never got wd’s from kratom until I paired it with a dose of rue extract, possibly.  I was semi curious as to whether it may amplify the effects for some reason.  This was far from scientific so maybe I just fell into a cycle with it but that point where I got wd’s was at the same point I paired it.  Vaguely remember getting a terrible headache also.


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Re: How long do I need to stop kratom before safely taking caapi tea [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #27107907 - 12/25/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Not so much withdrawal as having to deal with my baseline anxiety and discomfort that I use kratom for, but I’m sure part of it is withdrawal. I don’t liked going without kratom, I get pretty uncomfortable, although I know I need to quit eventually so I suppose needing to quit if for a good amount of time will make my next aya ceremony that much more ceremonial and maybe even give me an excuse to quit.


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Re: How long do I need to stop kratom before safely taking caapi tea [Re: Amanita86]
    #27107909 - 12/25/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I guess that settles it then, not only for not wanting to take any chances but the uncertainty could make me question any sensations of dying during the trip and ruin it. Where if I know 100% I am safe I can surrender to ego death knowing I am physically safe.


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Re: How long do I need to stop kratom before safely taking caapi tea [Re: InvisibleMind]
    #27108372 - 12/26/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

yea, get the kratom out of your system before you indulge in such experiences...

you could substitute with weed :smile:


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Re: How long do I need to stop kratom before safely taking caapi tea [Re: epilectric]
    #27108441 - 12/26/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Unfortunately my job does randoms, and it’s a job I really want to keep.


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Re: How long do I need to stop kratom before safely taking caapi tea [Re: InvisibleMind]
    #27108653 - 12/26/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

ok too bad


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Re: How long do I need to stop kratom before safely taking caapi tea [Re: epilectric]
    #27108875 - 12/26/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

according to some anecdotes it is possible that a psychedelic state might prevent withdrawals sometimes. I have heard this story a few times actually - waiting on pills or dope that never arrives while coming up on acid or mushrooms, and the expected withdrawal never comes...

idk - i’m sure there are a LOT of factors. if I had taken acid back when I was on heroin I believe I would have still gone through terrible withdrawals if I didn’t use.


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Re: How long do I need to stop kratom before safely taking caapi tea [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #27109429 - 12/26/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

sounds similar to the idea that if you gave someone a shot of adrenaline who is fully enlightened they wouldn’t feel any stress. It doesn’t matter what is going on with you philiologically, you can always surrender and enter a state of bliss.


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