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OfflineOldnameforgotten
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Dave Rubin, Alex Jones
    #27106853 - 12/25/20 03:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Is there really no way to prove undeniably that these two are shills?

For sure they are right? They cannot possibly be that insane. Trapped inside the tangled web they wove beginning from just lies. Do they now believe what they are saying?

How is it possible?


Its so frustrating that we cant prove who is lying. Ever. Even when all the evidence is there.... Its not enough.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Oldnameforgotten] * 1
    #27106921 - 12/25/20 05:47 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone you need to prove it to wouldn't accept the evidence. 

They are like memetic toxoplasmosis, they just illicit different immune responses in different subsets of the population.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Faustoid]
    #27106930 - 12/25/20 05:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I bet it's been proven many times over. But the implications are that every time you prove it, you also prove that the followers are fools. And nobody wants to be proven a fool. Ergo, they dig their heels further and resist even more. Even to the point of sacrificing friendships and family to defend the indefensible.

If most people were rational we wouldn't have religions.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: VP123]
    #27106974 - 12/25/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Alex Jones has explicitly argued in court that all he does is make funny jokes and play a funny character, and that he's simply a very good actor. IIRC he still lost custody of his kids, though.

I don't know much about Rubin, is he the guy that constantly platforms crazy right wingers while tossing them softballs under the guise of "debate"? Or was that Rogan?


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #27107193 - 12/25/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Alex Jones has explicitly argued in court that all he does is make funny jokes and play a funny character, and that he's simply a very good actor. IIRC he still lost custody of his kids, though.

I don't know much about Rubin, is he the guy that constantly platforms crazy right wingers while tossing them softballs under the guise of "debate"? Or was that Rogan?




Dont you dare bad mouth Rogan.

I'm tired of mofos throwing Rogan in the same bus. He spouts nonsense but he does not shill. He gets high as fuck as says stupid shit with little information. He then retracts and apologies when he discovers he was wrong. Thats fuckin admirable.

Hes legit the kinda person we need in the media. A real f'in person who is capable of being wrong. Thats a fuckin populous candidate to me. Too bad he will never run and we prolly wont ever see someone like that run.



I've seen ever Rogan podcast. You have to watch a lot of him to understand what hes doing.

If he had a pizza maker on he would say "So what is this..... Pizza? You called it? What is it made from?"

He is playing a good interviewer. Its dope as shit. I rate it.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Oldnameforgotten] * 2
    #27107253 - 12/25/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Dave Rubin absolutely, Alex Jones might, at some level, believe the shit he says.

Rubin started off at TYT and then realized being the “I’m a gay guy and cancel culture/SJWs are ruining America” can make him a lot more money.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Oldnameforgotten] * 1
    #27107795 - 12/25/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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If he had a pizza maker on he would say "So what is this..... Pizza? You called it? What is it made from?"

He is playing a good interviewer. Its dope as shit. I rate it.




Yeah, my problem with Rogan is that he approaches literal nazis the same exact way. "So, what is this...The Final Solution, you called it? We gotta kill all the Jews?"


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27107856 - 12/25/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I dont watch tyt as much as I used to but I remember him way back when. Rubin is a definite shill. Alex is a nutjob. Rogan knows hes a nutjob.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 1
    #27108311 - 12/26/20 06:47 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I thought the lawsuits were going to silence Alex Jones by now. I was very naive.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #27108313 - 12/26/20 06:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I thought the lawsuits were going to silence Alex Jones by now. I was very naive.




At least the lawsuits from Dominion and Smartmatic are silencing FOX, NewsMax and OAN with regard to the ridiculous claims they all adopted from those idiots.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27108336 - 12/26/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don;t think Alex Jones has given anybody good legal reasons for a lawsuit. He runs the Tucker Carlson defense of "it's just entertainment, I'm not serious, bro".

The problem with Dominion and Smartmatic is that they were actively called out, personally, as fraudulent in their business. That was legitimate slander with obvious damages.

Its kinda funny, but I think the main reason Alex Jones is still on the air is because he rails against nonexistent entities. There is no "Deep State", so there are no damages, and no legal problems. I'm pretty sure that the few times Alex Jones actually started talking about real individuals, he ate a cease-and-desist.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Kryptos]
    #27108353 - 12/26/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think he gave the Sandy Hook parents good legal reasons. They were only awarded $100,000 but I thought it would open the floodgates.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27108379 - 12/26/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

He also had to do a public retraction over that, and I don't know of any other specific, targeted, attacks on individuals since then. Seems like he learned...some sort of lesson.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Kryptos]
    #27108385 - 12/26/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The Sandy Hook thing was just his Martin Shkreli moment. The circumstances around this particular instance of libel or whatever you wanna call it was particular to offensive, so the courts stepped in.

And remember, Shkreli didn’t get put in jail for hiking up the cost of insulin, he got put in jail for defrauding other rich people.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27108397 - 12/26/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Libel is legible, slander is spoken.

Alliterative rule of thumb.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Oldnameforgotten] * 1
    #27108398 - 12/26/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

Kryptos said:
Alex Jones has explicitly argued in court that all he does is make funny jokes and play a funny character, and that he's simply a very good actor. IIRC he still lost custody of his kids, though.

I don't know much about Rubin, is he the guy that constantly platforms crazy right wingers while tossing them softballs under the guise of "debate"? Or was that Rogan?




Dont you dare bad mouth Rogan.

I'm tired of mofos throwing Rogan in the same bus. He spouts nonsense but he does not shill. He gets high as fuck as says stupid shit with little information. He then retracts and apologies when he discovers he was wrong. Thats fuckin admirable.

Hes legit the kinda person we need in the media. A real f'in person who is capable of being wrong. Thats a fuckin populous candidate to me. Too bad he will never run and we prolly wont ever see someone like that run.



I've seen ever Rogan podcast. You have to watch a lot of him to understand what hes doing.

If he had a pizza maker on he would say "So what is this..... Pizza? You called it? What is it made from?"

He is playing a good interviewer. Its dope as shit. I rate it.





Rogan is a version of the same bad actors, only turned down one on the volume knob.

Fuck all of those three people.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Tulipslave] * 1
    #27108402 - 12/26/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thats just not true bro. I've watched him intently. The person he displays on his podcasts is definitely what hes all about. He is a fitness first nature first semi-hippie bro.

Thats just what he is. Of course hes fallen victim to believing stories before the evidence was there.... but when youve watched him very clearly and openly go over how he was wrong and apologize it really is admirable. Demonizing people like him for being wrong will only stop other people from ever admitting they are wrong.

How hard is it to pretend you were never wrong? Thats what most people are about nowadays. I hate it.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Oldnameforgotten] * 1
    #27108414 - 12/26/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Thats just not true bro. I've watched him intently. The person he displays on his podcasts is definitely what hes all about. He is a fitness first nature first semi-hippie bro.

Thats just what he is. Of course hes fallen victim to believing stories before the evidence was there.... but when youve watched him very clearly and openly go over how he was wrong and apologize it really is admirable. Demonizing people like him for being wrong will only stop other people from ever admitting they are wrong.

How hard is it to pretend you were never wrong? Thats what most people are about nowadays. I hate it.





Rogan is a blowhard who helps sway people in a direction i don't personally agree with.  Therefore, he is just as bad as the other blowhards.

You're going to tell me my opinion is wrong?  LOL





edit:  it's funny to me you think it's better to report on something before having all the facts/evidence and saying something is true, only to have to walk it back later, as opposed to being a responsible/ethical "journalist" for a lack of a better word here and not publish/preach something without knowing.

a sign of the times, i s'pose


Edited by Tulipslave (12/26/20 08:46 AM)


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Kryptos] * 2
    #27108415 - 12/26/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Libel is legible, slander is spoken.

Alliterative rule of thumb.



If slander is recorded and replayed, that's libel.  Libel applies to any permanent form of defamation.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #27108416 - 12/26/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Bit of a boy who cried wolf situation to me.

First time Rogan was wrong and apologized, that was cool. Second time he was wrong and apologized, alright, whatever. Third time he was wrong and apologized, I'm starting to think those apologies aren't as genuine as they appear.


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