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I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" * 1
    #27106884 - 12/25/20 04:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm sure there are Democrats and Republicans on local levels being far more charismatic, inspiring, intelligent etc.

Washinton is a clique of way too old people doing each other favors despite the best interest of their voters.

Nowhere in the sane world is Trump the best answer to Obama and Biden the best answer to Trump.

Nepotism. Oligarchy. Old men in old boys networks servicing each others cocks.

Its the same in my country too, but nobody here knows about Rutte and Balkenende.

We are a species of good people being ran by complete asshats -- of any political affiliation, this is nonpartisan.

If only it was partisan, its not. Theres no good choice anywhere on the ballot.


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Re: I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" [Re: Asante] * 2
    #27107381 - 12/25/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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We are a species of good people being ran by complete asshats --



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Re: I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" [Re: Asante]
    #27107519 - 12/25/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The baby boomers are such a huge voting bloc that you have to be super old these days to have a real shot at the nomination. Biden will be the oldest ever serving president, beating out Reagan and Trump.


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Re: I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" *DELETED* [Re: Asante]
    #27108388 - 12/26/20 08:28 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" [Re: stevo] * 1
    #27108422 - 12/26/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

We live in a rigged system.

The Democrats rigged their primary in 2016 to prevent Bernie from being the nominee, forcing the zombified she-witch Hillary on everyone, who famously went on to lose. The Democrats would have won in 2016 if they had respected their party's wishes to have Bernie as the nominee, no doubt in my mind.

As for the Republican party, Trump did show that an outsider could enter politics and sweep the Republican nomination. However, this is most likely a one-time fluke. I doubt the GOP Elite will allow something like this to ever happen again. Which means they will only be putting forward warmongering dinosaurs and hawks like McCain from here on out.

Which means, yeah, we're fucked. Unless something changes. I have hope for Tulsi Gabbard, but unless she runs as a Republican and pulls a Trump and manages to sweep the party's base, so they can't deny her the nomination, then she has no chance.

With no real leadership capable of giving the world real, tangible change, and moving humanity forward in the right direction, things will only continue to deteriorate, as the empire crumbles and the hypocrisy of the elite continues to stoke outrage amongst the people.


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Re: I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" [Re: stevo]
    #27108438 - 12/26/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not sure really how constitutional our government really is




Our government is very constitutional. For some reason people think that the constitution was this shining beacon of freedom and democracy, instead of the reality that it was written by rich people that wanted to become more wealthy through genocide instead of abiding by treaties that England signed.

There's an entire system of American Mythology and propaganda that is force fed to children in US schools. 90% of it is bullshit. In reality, George Washington cared primarily about his bank account, and Benedict Arnold saved the US on several occasions.

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I wonder how many of those people just hated him less than Hillary or were mentally ill.




Unfortunately, I think a majority of Trump voters simply wanted a change from the status quo, and were simply misinformed enough to not realize that Trump's asshole is already 80% of his body cavity from being used by puppet masters his whole life. Republicans really managed to sell the "not a politician" bullshit.


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Re: I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" [Re: chopstick]
    #27108442 - 12/26/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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With no real leadership capable of giving the world real, tangible change, and moving humanity forward in the right direction, things will only continue to deteriorate, as the empire crumbles and the hypocrisy of the elite continues to stoke outrage amongst the people.




China is the future of humanity. So far, they've proven themselves more than capable of leadership on a global scale. I only worry about the competence of whoever comes after Xi Jinping.


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Re: I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" [Re: Kryptos]
    #27108443 - 12/26/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I wonder how many of those people just hated him less than Hillary or were mentally ill.




Unfortunately, I think a majority of Trump voters simply wanted a change from the status quo, and were simply misinformed enough to not realize that Trump's asshole is already 80% of his body cavity from being used by puppet masters his whole life. Republicans really managed to sell the "not a politician" bullshit.





He was still better than Hillary, by a mile. Really between him and Hillary, Trump was the only logical choice. A vote for Hillary meant a vote for war with Russia, Syria, and probably a nuclear holocaust.

Yeah, Trump is an asshole but atleast he wasn't start WW3 and end the future of the planet level of asshole.


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Re: I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #27108453 - 12/26/20 09:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hillary would not have started a war with Russia. That talking point was idiotic in 2015, and it is idiotic now.


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Re: I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" [Re: Kryptos]
    #27108573 - 12/26/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Hillary would not have started a war with Russia. That talking point was idiotic in 2015, and it is idiotic now.




Sadly, all this means is that you weren't paying attention to what was happening at the time.


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Re: I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" [Re: chopstick]
    #27108582 - 12/26/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I can guarantee I was paying a lot more attention than you were, considering I'm a Russian citizen.


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Re: I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" *DELETED* [Re: Kryptos]
    #27108588 - 12/26/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" [Re: stevo]
    #27108598 - 12/26/20 10:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not sure really how constitutional our government really is




Our government is very constitutional. For some reason people think that the constitution was this shining beacon of freedom and democracy, instead of the reality that it was written by rich people that wanted to become more wealthy through genocide instead of abiding by treaties that England signed.




Ya but its really hard to say with a straight face that the principles behind the constitution and declaration of independence are still being protected.  These documents were the means to justify the ends.  They were like the original lawyers that found the right way of wording that you have god given natural right to life, liberty, and property.




Your mistake is that you think the original principles behind the constitution were intended to help the common people, and not the rich people. Like George Washington, who was the richest man in the colonies. Alongside the soundbite of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness there was some seriously evil shit.

We don;t live in a kakistocracy, we live in a feudalistic oligarchy. It just so happens that the symptoms of feudalistic oligarchy overlap with the symptoms of a kakistocracy.


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Re: I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" [Re: Kryptos]
    #27108633 - 12/26/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I can guarantee I was paying a lot more attention than you were, considering I'm a Russian citizen.




I'm afraid that doesn't mean squat, if you weren't even aware of what direction Hillary was planning to take America's foreign policy.


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Re: I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" [Re: chopstick]
    #27108636 - 12/26/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don't recall anyone outside of GOPnik propaganda seriously mentioning attacking Russia.

Then again, I'm talking to a GOPnik propagandist.


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Re: I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #27108637 - 12/26/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

They don’t want best and brightest. They want subservient.


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Re: I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" [Re: Kryptos]
    #27108641 - 12/26/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't recall anyone outside of GOPnik propaganda seriously mentioning attacking Russia.

Then again, I'm talking to a GOPnik propagandist.





Shows how very little you know, then, now doesn't it?

Hillary wanted to no fly zone Syria, turning America's air force into an air force for ISIS and starting a war with Russia at the same time.


That ain't GOP propaganda - it's the truth.


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Re: I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" [Re: stevo]
    #27108684 - 12/26/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Hillary wanted to no fly zone Syria, turning America's air force into an air force for ISIS and starting a war with Russia at the same time.

That ain't GOP propaganda - it's the truth.




What?

Okay, that's a series of unconnected bullshit. How does not flying over Syria suddenly give ISIS, which has no aircraft (because we bombed every airplane and airplane factory in their territory into dust back in 2003), into an airforce that somehow starts a war with Russia? We don;t sell planes to ISIS. We sell planes to Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabia only flies those planes into US buildings, or uses them to bomb Yemeni hospitals/school buses.

That's some Q level weapons grade idiocy.

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Do you think we have improved at all by rejecting the constitution though?




I don't think we've rejected the constitution at all. Again, the constitution was not written for a people's government. The constitution was written to ensure control by the rich, for the rich, and that's exactly what we see now.

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How do we stop this?




Lenin had some good solutions. Too bad that they were hampered by western "democratic" capitalists.


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Re: I refuse to believe people like Trump and Biden are their party's "best and brightest" [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #27108996 - 12/26/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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chopstick said:
Hillary wanted to no fly zone Syria, turning America's air force into an air force for ISIS and starting a war with Russia at the same time.

That ain't GOP propaganda - it's the truth.




What?

Okay, that's a series of unconnected bullshit. How does not flying over Syria suddenly give ISIS, which has no aircraft (because we bombed every airplane and airplane factory in their territory into dust back in 2003), into an airforce that somehow starts a war with Russia? We don;t sell planes to ISIS. We sell planes to Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabia only flies those planes into US buildings, or uses them to bomb Yemeni hospitals/school buses.

That's some Q level weapons grade idiocy.







:lolsy:


First of all, a "no fly zone" is political speak for "bombing campaign". When we're talking about enacting a "no fly zone" over a country (like what happened in Libya in 2011), what we are really talking about is that the US is going to bomb the everliving fuck out of that country's military and civilian infrastructure, giving a massive boost to whatever proxy fighters are on the ground fighting for American interests.

At the time, the Syrian Army was involved in fierce combat both with ISIS and with the Al-Qaeda terrorist factions which Obama had falsely labeled as being "moderate rebels". So if Hillary had been elected and allowed to go through with her "no fly zone", the USAF would have been flying hundreds of bombing sorties and giving close air support to both ISIS & Al-Qaeda by targeting the Syrian military, giving them a massive boost on the ground to take territory from the Syrian Army, essentially acting as an air force for both ISIS & Al-Qaeda.

At the same time, during the debates when Hillary was asked about this, she basically said that Russia would have no choice to leave Syria or face having their forces also targeted by US warplanes. Considering that it was unlikely they would have left under such threats, the US would have come into direct military conflict with Russia over the skies of Syria.

This was all avoided when Trump was elected, much for the benefit of the entire planet.

Honestly, it speaks volumes that you don't even know what a "no fly zone" is or the situation that was unfolding around this time towards the end of 2016, but for some reason you still claim to know what you're talking about.


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