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Dave Rubin, Alex Jones
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Is there really no way to prove undeniably that these two are shills?
For sure they are right? They cannot possibly be that insane. Trapped inside the tangled web they wove beginning from just lies. Do they now believe what they are saying?
How is it possible?
Its so frustrating that we cant prove who is lying. Ever. Even when all the evidence is there.... Its not enough.
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Anyone you need to prove it to wouldn't accept the evidence.
They are like memetic toxoplasmosis, they just illicit different immune responses in different subsets of the population.
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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Faustoid]
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I bet it's been proven many times over. But the implications are that every time you prove it, you also prove that the followers are fools. And nobody wants to be proven a fool. Ergo, they dig their heels further and resist even more. Even to the point of sacrificing friendships and family to defend the indefensible.
If most people were rational we wouldn't have religions.
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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: VP123]
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Alex Jones has explicitly argued in court that all he does is make funny jokes and play a funny character, and that he's simply a very good actor. IIRC he still lost custody of his kids, though.
I don't know much about Rubin, is he the guy that constantly platforms crazy right wingers while tossing them softballs under the guise of "debate"? Or was that Rogan?
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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Kryptos] 1
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Kryptos said: Alex Jones has explicitly argued in court that all he does is make funny jokes and play a funny character, and that he's simply a very good actor. IIRC he still lost custody of his kids, though.
I don't know much about Rubin, is he the guy that constantly platforms crazy right wingers while tossing them softballs under the guise of "debate"? Or was that Rogan?
Dont you dare bad mouth Rogan.
I'm tired of mofos throwing Rogan in the same bus. He spouts nonsense but he does not shill. He gets high as fuck as says stupid shit with little information. He then retracts and apologies when he discovers he was wrong. Thats fuckin admirable.
Hes legit the kinda person we need in the media. A real f'in person who is capable of being wrong. Thats a fuckin populous candidate to me. Too bad he will never run and we prolly wont ever see someone like that run.
I've seen ever Rogan podcast. You have to watch a lot of him to understand what hes doing.
If he had a pizza maker on he would say "So what is this..... Pizza? You called it? What is it made from?"
He is playing a good interviewer. Its dope as shit. I rate it.
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Dave Rubin absolutely, Alex Jones might, at some level, believe the shit he says.
Rubin started off at TYT and then realized being the “I’m a gay guy and cancel culture/SJWs are ruining America” can make him a lot more money.
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He is playing a good interviewer. Its dope as shit. I rate it.
Yeah, my problem with Rogan is that he approaches literal nazis the same exact way. "So, what is this...The Final Solution, you called it? We gotta kill all the Jews?"
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I dont watch tyt as much as I used to but I remember him way back when. Rubin is a definite shill. Alex is a nutjob. Rogan knows hes a nutjob.
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I thought the lawsuits were going to silence Alex Jones by now. I was very naive.
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At least the lawsuits from Dominion and Smartmatic are silencing FOX, NewsMax and OAN with regard to the ridiculous claims they all adopted from those idiots.
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I don;t think Alex Jones has given anybody good legal reasons for a lawsuit. He runs the Tucker Carlson defense of "it's just entertainment, I'm not serious, bro".
The problem with Dominion and Smartmatic is that they were actively called out, personally, as fraudulent in their business. That was legitimate slander with obvious damages.
Its kinda funny, but I think the main reason Alex Jones is still on the air is because he rails against nonexistent entities. There is no "Deep State", so there are no damages, and no legal problems. I'm pretty sure that the few times Alex Jones actually started talking about real individuals, he ate a cease-and-desist.
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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Kryptos]
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I think he gave the Sandy Hook parents good legal reasons. They were only awarded $100,000 but I thought it would open the floodgates.
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He also had to do a public retraction over that, and I don't know of any other specific, targeted, attacks on individuals since then. Seems like he learned...some sort of lesson.
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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Kryptos]
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The Sandy Hook thing was just his Martin Shkreli moment. The circumstances around this particular instance of libel or whatever you wanna call it was particular to offensive, so the courts stepped in.
And remember, Shkreli didn’t get put in jail for hiking up the cost of insulin, he got put in jail for defrauding other rich people.
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Libel is legible, slander is spoken.
Alliterative rule of thumb.
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I don't know much about Rubin, is he the guy that constantly platforms crazy right wingers while tossing them softballs under the guise of "debate"? Or was that Rogan?
Dont you dare bad mouth Rogan.
I'm tired of mofos throwing Rogan in the same bus. He spouts nonsense but he does not shill. He gets high as fuck as says stupid shit with little information. He then retracts and apologies when he discovers he was wrong. Thats fuckin admirable.
Hes legit the kinda person we need in the media. A real f'in person who is capable of being wrong. Thats a fuckin populous candidate to me. Too bad he will never run and we prolly wont ever see someone like that run.
I've seen ever Rogan podcast. You have to watch a lot of him to understand what hes doing.
If he had a pizza maker on he would say "So what is this..... Pizza? You called it? What is it made from?"
He is playing a good interviewer. Its dope as shit. I rate it.
Rogan is a version of the same bad actors, only turned down one on the volume knob.
Fuck all of those three people.
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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Tulipslave] 1
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Thats just not true bro. I've watched him intently. The person he displays on his podcasts is definitely what hes all about. He is a fitness first nature first semi-hippie bro.
Thats just what he is. Of course hes fallen victim to believing stories before the evidence was there.... but when youve watched him very clearly and openly go over how he was wrong and apologize it really is admirable. Demonizing people like him for being wrong will only stop other people from ever admitting they are wrong.
How hard is it to pretend you were never wrong? Thats what most people are about nowadays. I hate it.
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Thats just what he is. Of course hes fallen victim to believing stories before the evidence was there.... but when youve watched him very clearly and openly go over how he was wrong and apologize it really is admirable. Demonizing people like him for being wrong will only stop other people from ever admitting they are wrong.
How hard is it to pretend you were never wrong? Thats what most people are about nowadays. I hate it.
Rogan is a blowhard who helps sway people in a direction i don't personally agree with. Therefore, he is just as bad as the other blowhards.
You're going to tell me my opinion is wrong? LOL
edit: it's funny to me you think it's better to report on something before having all the facts/evidence and saying something is true, only to have to walk it back later, as opposed to being a responsible/ethical "journalist" for a lack of a better word here and not publish/preach something without knowing.
a sign of the times, i s'pose
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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Kryptos] 2
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Kryptos said: Libel is legible, slander is spoken.
Alliterative rule of thumb.
If slander is recorded and replayed, that's libel. Libel applies to any permanent form of defamation.
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Bit of a boy who cried wolf situation to me.
First time Rogan was wrong and apologized, that was cool. Second time he was wrong and apologized, alright, whatever. Third time he was wrong and apologized, I'm starting to think those apologies aren't as genuine as they appear.
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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Enlil]
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Alliterative rule of thumb.
If slander is recorded and replayed, that's libel. Libel applies to any permanent form of defamation.
Hmm. I was actually wondering about that, because the rule of thumb doesn't really cover recordings. Good to know.
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Kryptos said: Bit of a boy who cried wolf situation to me.
First time Rogan was wrong and apologized, that was cool. Second time he was wrong and apologized, alright, whatever. Third time he was wrong and apologized, I'm starting to think those apologies aren't as genuine as they appear.
Im okay so long as he admits hes wrong whenever he happens to be wrong. He hits me as a person who is genuinely looking for answers and willing to hear from many sides. He used to think the moon landing never happened and has been presented evidence that it did, which was enough to change his mind.
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First time Rogan was wrong and apologized, that was cool. Second time he was wrong and apologized, alright, whatever. Third time he was wrong and apologized, I'm starting to think those apologies aren't as genuine as they appear.
Im okay so long as he admits hes wrong whenever he happens to be wrong. He hits me as a person who is genuinely looking for answers and willing to hear from many sides. He used to think the moon landing never happened and has been presented evidence that it did, which was enough to change his mind.
if one is chronically "apologizing" for being wrong, it might seem best to, in the future, make sure one is not wrong, especially when fulfilling a role of a "journalist"
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First time Rogan was wrong and apologized, that was cool. Second time he was wrong and apologized, alright, whatever. Third time he was wrong and apologized, I'm starting to think those apologies aren't as genuine as they appear.
Im okay so long as he admits hes wrong whenever he happens to be wrong. He hits me as a person who is genuinely looking for answers and willing to hear from many sides. He used to think the moon landing never happened and has been presented evidence that it did, which was enough to change his mind.
Ya know, there's a lot of overlap between the Yoga/Wellness/Crystals/"crunchy mom" community and Qanons. There's even a whole term for it, Conspirituality. Lot of interesting stuff.
Now, when we add in the old Mark Twain quote: “A lie can travel around the world and back again while the truth is lacing up its boots.”
Combine the two, and even with Joe Rogan's retractions, the damage is already done. Yeah, he can walk back his statements. Yeah, he can admit fault. But his tendency to approach everything non-critically makes his later recognition of his stupidity seem hollow at best.
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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Tulipslave]
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Kryptos said: Bit of a boy who cried wolf situation to me.
First time Rogan was wrong and apologized, that was cool. Second time he was wrong and apologized, alright, whatever. Third time he was wrong and apologized, I'm starting to think those apologies aren't as genuine as they appear.
Im okay so long as he admits hes wrong whenever he happens to be wrong. He hits me as a person who is genuinely looking for answers and willing to hear from many sides. He used to think the moon landing never happened and has been presented evidence that it did, which was enough to change his mind.
if one is chronically "apologizing" for being wrong, it might seem best to, in the future, make sure one is not wrong, especially when fulfilling a role of a "journalist"
Joe rogan is not a journalist. Thats like saying the crazy hair dude from ancient aliens is a journalist.
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First time Rogan was wrong and apologized, that was cool. Second time he was wrong and apologized, alright, whatever. Third time he was wrong and apologized, I'm starting to think those apologies aren't as genuine as they appear.
Im okay so long as he admits hes wrong whenever he happens to be wrong. He hits me as a person who is genuinely looking for answers and willing to hear from many sides. He used to think the moon landing never happened and has been presented evidence that it did, which was enough to change his mind.
if one is chronically "apologizing" for being wrong, it might seem best to, in the future, make sure one is not wrong, especially when fulfilling a role of a "journalist"
Joe rogan is not a journalist. Thats like saying the crazy hair dude from ancient aliens is a journalist.
If someone is a media figurehead/spokesperson and publically presents ideas and/or facts, then yes, they are in essence a "journalist"
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First time Rogan was wrong and apologized, that was cool. Second time he was wrong and apologized, alright, whatever. Third time he was wrong and apologized, I'm starting to think those apologies aren't as genuine as they appear.
Im okay so long as he admits hes wrong whenever he happens to be wrong. He hits me as a person who is genuinely looking for answers and willing to hear from many sides. He used to think the moon landing never happened and has been presented evidence that it did, which was enough to change his mind.
Ya know, there's a lot of overlap between the Yoga/Wellness/Crystals/"crunchy mom" community and Qanons. There's even a whole term for it, Conspirituality. Lot of interesting stuff.
Now, when we add in the old Mark Twain quote: “A lie can travel around the world and back again while the truth is lacing up its boots.”
Combine the two, and even with Joe Rogan's retractions, the damage is already done. Yeah, he can walk back his statements. Yeah, he can admit fault. But his tendency to approach everything non-critically makes his later recognition of his stupidity seem hollow at best.
I live near Woodstock NY so I know all about these people. I asked my friend about how she handles her lyme because my own lyme is flairing up. She gave me a few natural remedies, aaaaand also told me they just fired up a 5g tower nearby and to wear shungite to absorb the radio frequencies... I dont see joe rogan as that kind of person.
I can understand that people feel like giving a platform to anyone with those kinds of beliefs to express them may be compromised in some way. But watching joe Rogan he frequently corrects people in climate change denial and all kinds of other stuff that these conspiracy hacks push.
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The only times that he corrects people, from what I've seen, is when people are saying things that Rogan has fallen for before. Like, as you said, climate change.
The most generous explanation that I can give is that he does absolutely no background research or vetting on any guests he brings onto his show, and just wings it every time.
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This is why i dont consider him a journalist. Journalists do in depth research on things. Joe has interesting people on and just listens to their opinions. He isnt pushing anything as fact. He's as much a journalist as howard stern is a journalist.
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You can have whatever opinion you want. But I'm telling you.... with first hand and intense deep level knowledge of who joe rogans public persona is....
The shit people like you dont like him for... he says while he is drunk and high as fuck. If you watch the full context you can literally see how he is tricked into believing fake things. We are talking 3 hour podcasts. The people he has on lead him to believe whatever it is he is to believe. He will fight and resist if he see's stupidity. He calls people out like a god damn champ. He fucking ripped Dave Rubin to SHREDS for being a shill. Its one of the all time best podcasts. He literally ghosts Rubin now. Says he doesnt have shills on his podcasts.
I'm telling you mate. Youre not valuing Rogan for what he is. He will never be right all the time. No one is. I'm not. Are you?
My reckoning of a good person is someone who is physically capable of being wrong.... and chooses to be wrong loudly. Hiding in the nuance.... thats for fucking pussies. Rogan is a vulnerable human drifting through the unknown willing to accept new stimuli. Thats better than me. I wish I could be THAT vulnerable. I still hold on to some pillars of "truth".
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He is most certainly not a journalist. He is a podcaster. He makes money by interviewing people and hes gotten crazy huge. Hes just working with the cards he was dealt. He likes having long form dialogue with people. You can tell he enjoys it.
Even if you considered him a journalist though... hes got more integrity than don lemon or chris tucker. By miles.
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And the fact is he never pushes anything as fact. He always states that hes just a guy shooting the shit about interesting things. If I broadcast my camping trips over the internet and people in my camping trip are talking politics, have I become a journalist?
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Dude exactly. Clearly you watch a significant amount of Joe. He basically SPAMS his podcasts with "i dont know shit about shit. dont listen to me im an idiot."
But these surface level fuckers who hate on him dont know about these gems that are constantly being brought up EVERY PODCAST multiple times.
I followed him through every single podcast. I remember hating on him ALL THE TIME for saying he wasnt addicted to weed and weed isnt addictive.
It took YEARS for him to finally admit hes addicted to weed. And now that he admits it and continues to smoke.... I'm cool with that. You can fuck up... just dont be a hypocrite or a liar.
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Well, Rogan is right about the fact that he doesn't know shit about shit. Which is why he's a good useful idiot for spewing idiocy to a large audience.
In my experience, the kind of person that readily says "I don't know shit about shit, don't listen to me" only says that when called out for being an idiot. They don't admit that otherwise.
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Ive watched a good ammount. Definitely not all thousand some odd interviews but I do enjoy his podcast when I do put it on.
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Except joe pretexts that all the time... He doesnt wait to be called out.
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That just means it's happened enough times.
plus, if he says it often enough, then it becomes that quick listing of possible side effects at the end of every drug ad. White noise.
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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Kryptos]
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Again, how seriously do you take someone like howard stern as a journalist? He has put up a platform for people to express opinions and has wide reach. Is stern a useful idiot for Hilary clinton (whos been on her show pushing her politics)?Joe rogan doesnt push any political ideologies like say jimmy dore (I used to like that guy).
I think some people take his show too seriously for how little theyve actually watched it, or just run with whatever the news is pushing about him when he says something they dont like/has someone on with a conflicting opinion of theirs.
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There's a difference between taking someone seriously and considering someone's actions to be dangerous.
I actually can't name a single personality that I take seriously. Can;t say I ever got in depth with Howard Stern, so I can;t speak to that, but from my exposure to Rogan podcasts, my most generous explanation of him is, again, a useful idiot/stooge for literally anyone to broadcast their bullshit to a wide audience. Jimmy Dore is the same thing, except on crack and with a bit of Tosh.O flavor. This goes for democrat drivel as well. Rachel Maddow is a fucking joke 99% of the time.
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I definitely agree about jimmy fore these days. I would say shows like his are waaaay more dangerous than someone like Joe. When joe has alex jones on he corrects him every step of the way and also makes it a point to let his audience know that alex is a lunatic. It sucks that these days people just believe that because someone gets air time, that their opinions/lies/ whatever are somehow validated.
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Kryptos said: There's a difference between taking someone seriously and considering someone's actions to be dangerous.
I actually can't name a single personality that I take seriously. Can;t say I ever got in depth with Howard Stern, so I can;t speak to that, but from my exposure to Rogan podcasts, my most generous explanation of him is, again, a useful idiot/stooge for literally anyone to broadcast their bullshit to a wide audience. Jimmy Dore is the same thing, except on crack and with a bit of Tosh.O flavor. This goes for democrat drivel as well. Rachel Maddow is a fucking joke 99% of the time.
I'm sorry dude but I think you got it wrong.
Can I just say this as a statement of fact? And you take it for what it is?
For years and years the comment sections were flooded with republicans who believed Rogan was a republican. Because hes super into fitness (like me) super into nature (like me) super into hunting (like me). But what they didnt see was he was super lefty (like me). So I had nonstop arguments with other rogan lovers that he was republican. I knew for a FACT he wasnt LONG before he ever came out as a Bernie Sanders supporter (which actually was very recently).
These people who thought he was a republican had their own misunderstanding of what joe is all about. And I reckon... you too have a misunderstanding.
I take joe at his word. Entirely. Because I've seen him be weak. I've seen him cry. I've seen him angry. I've seen him annoyed. I am pretty damn confident that who I think he is.... he actually is.
You say hes a useful idiot. Hes a very intelligent person. Being wrong does not automatically mean youre an idiot. I get drunk or fucked up on countless drugs and I say stupid ass fucking shit. I fuck women I would never fuck. I say shit I would never say. That doesnt mean I'm an idiot. It makes me fuckin human god damnit. We need to stop fucking vilifying people who display the very traits ALL OF US display when we are at our worst. All that is going to fucking do is stop people from showing who they REALLY are.
The very person Dave Rubin claims to be... this person who gives everyone a platform for their ideas.... thats who Joe Rogan ACTUALLY is. Its god damn impressive. And if you dare spout nonsense on his podcast that he catches on to..... he will fucking pile drive you into the floor with facts. He absolutely DEMOLISHES people who have visible flaws that they wont accept. Its fucking beautiful.
I'll give you a personal example. This means something to me. So look at it as if it means something to me. I fucking LOVE neil degrasse tyson. I always loved him. I've read all his books. I thought he was fucking the shit. He went on Joe Rogan.... and Joe made it painfully clear that the man is egotistical. And though I absolutely hated to admit that he was..... he definitely is.
This is the kind of insight you can get from Joe interviewing people that youll never get with ANYONE ELSE IN THE FUCKING WORLD. Literally NO ONE will give you this kind of an interview. How in the god damn fuck do you not see that? He is a real ass fucking person being real as fuck and giving people every opportunity to try and make a point.
Btw I'm fuckin drunk. Lol.
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Oh god dont get me started on jimmy dore. I cant stand the cunt.
But yeah watching an Alex Jones interview with Joe will fucking seriously put motherfuckers to the test. When they realize Alex Jones is not spouting 100 percent nonsense it really fucks with their world view.
I think Alex is a shill just selling his doomsday products. But god damnit it the man actually makes sense WAY MORE Than you would think lol. He should pay joe to stay around him and explain what the fuck hes saying.
Its sad. Theres so much nuance that I cant convey to yall. I hate Alex Jones. But he has a few solid points.
I mean fuck. This is a forum post I made about how I hate Alex Jones. And I'm still saying he has a some gems.
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In fact I'll go a step further. Almost EVERYTHING Alex says is based off fact. He just twists it to bolster whatever hes selling.
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I actually can't name a single personality that I take seriously. Can;t say I ever got in depth with Howard Stern, so I can;t speak to that, but from my exposure to Rogan podcasts, my most generous explanation of him is, again, a useful idiot/stooge for literally anyone to broadcast their bullshit to a wide audience. Jimmy Dore is the same thing, except on crack and with a bit of Tosh.O flavor. This goes for democrat drivel as well. Rachel Maddow is a fucking joke 99% of the time.
I'm sorry dude but I think you got it wrong.
Can I just say this as a statement of fact? And you take it for what it is?
For years and years the comment sections were flooded with republicans who believed Rogan was a republican. Because hes super into fitness (like me) super into nature (like me) super into hunting (like me). But what they didnt see was he was super lefty (like me). So I had nonstop arguments with other rogan lovers that he was republican. I knew for a FACT he wasnt LONG before he ever came out as a Bernie Sanders supporter (which actually was very recently).
These people who thought he was a republican had their own misunderstanding of what joe is all about. And I reckon... you too have a misunderstanding.
I take joe at his word. Entirely. Because I've seen him be weak. I've seen him cry. I've seen him angry. I've seen him annoyed. I am pretty damn confident that who I think he is.... he actually is.
You say hes a useful idiot. Hes a very intelligent person. Being wrong does not automatically mean youre an idiot. I get drunk or fucked up on countless drugs and I say stupid ass fucking shit. I fuck women I would never fuck. I say shit I would never say. That doesnt mean I'm an idiot. It makes me fuckin human god damnit. We need to stop fucking vilifying people who display the very traits ALL OF US display when we are at our worst. All that is going to fucking do is stop people from showing who they REALLY are.
The very person Dave Rubin claims to be... this person who gives everyone a platform for their ideas.... thats who Joe Rogan ACTUALLY is. Its god damn impressive. And if you dare spout nonsense on his podcast that he catches on to..... he will fucking pile drive you into the floor with facts. He absolutely DEMOLISHES people who have visible flaws that they wont accept. Its fucking beautiful.
I'll give you a personal example. This means something to me. So look at it as if it means something to me. I fucking LOVE neil degrasse tyson. I always loved him. I've read all his books. I thought he was fucking the shit. He went on Joe Rogan.... and Joe made it painfully clear that the man is egotistical. And though I absolutely hated to admit that he was..... he definitely is.
This is the kind of insight you can get from Joe interviewing people that youll never get with ANYONE ELSE IN THE FUCKING WORLD. Literally NO ONE will give you this kind of an interview. How in the god damn fuck do you not see that? He is a real ass fucking person being real as fuck and giving people every opportunity to try and make a point.
Btw I'm fuckin drunk. Lol.
The term useful idiot doesnt really have to do with intelligence. It means you push an agenda under the guise of ignorance, if that makes sense. My whole thing is I dont think rogan has an agenda. He has his opinions and he talks them out. Thats it.
I know alot of people got on his ass over lgbtq issues because of his opinions of trans athletes. Some of them might think hes right wing because of those opinions. People just dont see politics as a spectrum. They see it as a line with a left and a right.
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Dude I fucking hell rate you.
I like the way you think. Youre exactly correct I believe. He just talks shit out. Thats all hes about. The hate Joe gets absolutely drives me mad.
And if you ever get into his wheelhouse (like trans in female sports) he will take ZERO shit from you and will fucking tell you why the fuck you are wrong.
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Oh but I dont think Joe is pushing an agenda under the guise of ignorance.
Not a chance in hell. He is way too open to be doing that.
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I agree with alot of what he says about trans athletes. Men who become women have weight advantages, more bone density etc...that give them physiological advantages to naturally born women. I dont think this is in any way a politically motivated stance to have either. But people have called joe anti trans because of this. Which is bullshit its just physiology/biology.
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Yep dude exactly. You can clearly see with things like this (which are HIS wheelhouse) that he has no shits to give about political motivation. It IS an advantage for a formerly male human to become a female human and compete against females. It does not matter what the fuck you think or how you came to your conclusions..... it is unfair. Trans should compete against trans.
Joe and I both dont give a fuck if that sounds sexist or transphobic.
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Or just have one unified league. No mens league or womens league if it doesnt matter.
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Joe Rogan is an entertainer. Just like any other entertainer, he has a very well crafted and very well thought out persona. It just happens to vibe with you. And a lot of other young males.
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Really? Because Neil DeGrasse Tyson is a lot like Bill Nye. I don't discount his education, but they're both entertainers. Yeah, no shit they're egotistical fucks. If they weren't, they would spend less time in front of a camera and more time in the lab.
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No he isn't. That's just his public persona. He's in the business of making money and growing his podcast. His continued success is why that persona is well manicured.
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Unfortunately, that physiology/biology isn't (yet) backed up by, ya know, actual physiological/biological research. Fact is, if you're an athlete above highschool, maybe college level, you're a fucking mutant already. Very few people can be athletes, and that's not just a factor of training. That's a factor of being in the 0.0001% range of the bell curve.
While I personally lean towards that being unfair from a common sense standpoint, I refuse to take that stand because there is no science backing it up. A distinction between me and Rogan.
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Theres definitely something to be said in that athletes in general are going to be "mutants" like you said. But someone who was born woth testosterone to fuel their mutations is going to have a leg up on those who grew to maturity with estrogen.
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Also joes ability to change his opinion based on evidence is why I like him. Nothing is set in stone with him. Good on you for not having an opinion before you see conclusive evidence though. If everyone were that way I dont think there would be conversations at all though.
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I just don't enjoy hearing stupid people talk, so I don't like Joe Rogan. He's stupid, and a lot of his guests are stupid. I may as well be watching reruns of Donahue.
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That is absolutely an opinion. Of which joe admits even. Unlike someone like jimmy dore who goes around calling everyone idiots for not believing him. Which makes me like him better.
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Yes, it is.
Mr. Rogan is a reality game show host, much like our President. I don't really see either as having a whole lot to offer vis a vis serving our more lofty intellectual goals.
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What is stupid?
Is my cat stupider than you?
Would you like to prove that my cat is stupid in a mouse catching contest?
Joe Rogan is a lot of things, and a lot of them are negative, just like any other human, but I wouldn't go so far as to call him stupid. After all, you know his name, does he know yours?
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If anything you should build rogan a fucking statue.
Fuck yall motherfuckers.
Name a cunt with more integrity than joe rogan. They dont fucking exist. Stop bad mouthing REAL MOTHER FUCKERS and maybe real mother fuckers might dominate the world stage. Instead of these fucking shills like dave rubin.
Rogan has plenty of reasons to be hated. Some are valid, some are invalid. In my opinion, he has little to no integrity, just like any other person who's income depends on an audience. That's not necessarily a judgement on him as a person, so much as a judgement on his career. Which could be seen as a judgement on his person, and has most definitely affected his persona.
Either way, Rogan enjoys and abuses a level of celebrity worship I find distasteful. He's a Kardashian by a different name, in some regards.
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Kryptos said: I wouldn't go so far as to call him stupid. After all, you know his name, does he know yours?
Intelligence is measured by how many people know one's name? Wow. That says a shitload about the culture and actually supports my statement about reality TV and its effect upon American intellectualism. Thank you for that.
Kim Kardashian, Rhodes Scholar.
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No, intelligence, in my opinion, is measured by ability.
Hence my cat example.
That being said, there are different sorts of intelligence. I think it is disingenuous to claim someone is unintelligent when they are a celebrity, because they are clearly doing something right.
I wouldn't call Kim Kardashian dumb, for the sole purpose that I know I cannot do what she does successfully.
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A broken clock "does something right" twice a day. Intelligence is a spectrum, so when I call Rogan stupid, I mean that he has an intellectual capacity that is below average, and in his case, significantly so.
I know some fucking amazing welders who are top notch at their jobs and make a lot of money. Some of them are very intelligent. Some of them are dumb as dirt. Having a skill may indicate intelligence or it may not. You're basically saying, "everyone is intelligent in their own way" which is to negate the very meaning of the word. Insofar as I use the term stupid, I use it to mean something. That's pretty much the purpose of words.
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Without going to the full extent of the phrase "everyone is intelligent in their own way", I think it is still safe to assume that Rogan has more than two brain cells to rub together, by virtue of his position. Same with Trump, same with Alex Jones.
They're good at what they do, yes, but by virtue of being placed in a position of influence, they are also good at other things. Namely, acquiring influence, which they would not be able to do if they were truly dumb. Too many people would take advantage of them otherwise.
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" Watch that temper, kid. Flaming is not allowed in this forum." As you delete my posts?
Seriously? Lol. How old are we now? 12?
I'm an adult. I dont care if you dont like that I say bro or dude. I'm not some child. And you speak of what I say as flaming? Dont edit me bro. Thats weakness.
We are all gonna die some day. And nothing matters. I'm just throwing my brain into the world and comparing it against yours and everyone elses.
If thats not good enough for you then fuck I dont know what else I can give ya.
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This sentence is an oxymoron.
Where is my argument wrong, when I am someone who can be wrong and fix it to be right?
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They're good at what they do, yes, but by virtue of being placed in a position of influence, they are also good at other things. Namely, acquiring influence, which they would not be able to do if they were truly dumb. Too many people would take advantage of them otherwise.
But bro.... seriously..... what specifically is Joe wrong on? Youre basically making the argument that because Joe is famous he must be a shill. Where is he shilling on? Point it out. He has thousands of hours of dialogue that we can refer to to find out his specific thoughts on almost any subject matter. You get that right?
I know his thoughts on abortion or gay rights or trans rights or gun laws or hunting or meat production or home horticulture or some specific mummy in egypt. You get that right? He is an OPEN BOOK.
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No I am not.
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No he is not.
Provide evidence. What and where is the shill? Otherwise you are merely saying "He famous so he bad."
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What dont you like? Whatever semantics you need to define whatever your position is that makes you against Joe Rogan. Or not in favor of him. Or whatever I need to word it like.
What evidence led you to believe that which you think of Joe? Point it out. Lets discuss the specifics.
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1. You are part of this post and clearly have an opposite view of what I believe.
2. You referred to me as "kid" indicating personal superiority over me in a way that provides you with strength in your own ideology as if it by definition it is stronger than whatever mine is.
You are not unbiased enough to be defining whether or not I am "flaming" individuals. Just because I say fucking fuck fucker does not mean I'm attacking anyone. If anything I'm attacking lack of evidence in what individuals are saying.
The liking or disliking of Joe rogan is not some crucial issue that will decide the fate of the universe. It is a specific thing that insults ME personally. No one here who is anti-joe is so anti-joe that they equal the amount of pro-joe that I am.
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I have to agree somewhat about the "famous guy bad" comment. What about him is so disingenuous or lacks integrity? Again I dont watch his podcast all that often but I havent seen much evidence of these things. Is the fact that someone can be swayed by evidence contrary to their opi ion what makes them have no integrity?
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I only listen to Rogan when comedians like Burr or Dillon are on. It's pure gold watching real comedy go right over his head while he puts on his angry face and starts reciting his trans or cancel culture or sjw rants for the 1000th time.
Tupac could be found to be still alive, come on JRE and Joe would be trying to redirect the conversation to gavin newsom or how outraged he is that twitter banned someone for making fun of trans people. He's getting angry and senile with his age it seems
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No one here cares if you use profanity. Personally attacking members of this site is against the rules. Sorry that you don't feel like you're getting your money's worth out of this site. May you find greener pastures elsewhere.
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Tupac could be found to be still alive, come on JRE and Joe would be trying to redirect the conversation to gavin newsom or how outraged he is that twitter banned someone for making fun of trans people.
I fucking love bill burr.
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feevers said: I only listen to Rogan when comedians like Burr or Dillon are on. It's pure gold watching real comedy go right over his head while he puts on his angry face and starts reciting his trans or cancel culture or sjw rants for the 1000th time.
Tupac could be found to be still alive, come on JRE and Joe would be trying to redirect the conversation to gavin newsom or how outraged he is that twitter banned someone for making fun of trans people.
You have a 3 hour conversation weeks after Alex Jones gets banned from social media with anyone while on the largest podcast in the world and try not to bring up Alex or the banning of famous figures.
You act like the last few podcasts had anything at all to do with social media bans. Just because the few individual 3 minute videos youve seen on youtube talk about social media banning people doesnt automatically mean thats all he talks about.
His main returning references if ANYTHING are "Have you tried DMT" "have you tried elk" and "Exercise will make you happier"
Lately after his carnivore diet he brings up eating only meat all the time. He, like all of us, are stuck in the period of time that we are stuck in. It would be like clinton fucking monica and joe not bringing it up for the next couple weeks.
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What are you even talking about. Youre making some grandiose statement and I'm just pointing out your behaviour. How is it moderatorly to call someone youre in charge of a "kid"? How does that do anything except bolster your own viewpoints and make you not need to challenge them?
Youre what? At best 55? I'm old as fuck. Not 55 but not young enough for you to be discounting what I have to say because I'm young.
I reckon.... youre taking this personally.
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Oldnameforgotten said: What dont you like? Whatever semantics you need to define whatever your position is that makes you against Joe Rogan. Or not in favor of him. Or whatever I need to word it like.
What evidence led you to believe that which you think of Joe? Point it out. Lets discuss the specifics.
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Oldnameforgotten said: If he had a pizza maker on he would say "So what is this..... Pizza? You called it? What is it made from?"
He is playing a good interviewer. Its dope as shit. I rate it.
Yeah, my problem with Rogan is that he approaches literal nazis the same exact way. "So, what is this...The Final Solution, you called it? We gotta kill all the Jews?"
You could just go back to the beginning of the thread. His uncritical acceptance of literally any opinion you throw at him, no matter how vile, pisses me off. As does his tendency to platform literal neo-nazis.
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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Kryptos]
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What evidence led you to believe that which you think of Joe? Point it out. Lets discuss the specifics.
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Oldnameforgotten said: If he had a pizza maker on he would say "So what is this..... Pizza? You called it? What is it made from?"
He is playing a good interviewer. Its dope as shit. I rate it.
Yeah, my problem with Rogan is that he approaches literal nazis the same exact way. "So, what is this...The Final Solution, you called it? We gotta kill all the Jews?"
You could just go back to the beginning of the thread. His uncritical acceptance of literally any opinion you throw at him, no matter how vile, pisses me off. As does his tendency to platform literal neo-nazis.
Dude that is not true. Factually. Its one of the coolest things about Joe. If evidence is presented to him that he has very strong evidence on... he will lift you up into the air and slam your face down into the dirt.
Its really cool to watch.
He will lift you up hear all of your arguments.... then he will dismantle them one by one. And if you try and hide in nuance... he comes to you in that nuance and helps you get out of it so that he can dismantle you further.
You should see the way Rubin tried to say building regulations were bad or the US post service was bad. Rogan TORE HIM APART.
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I stopped having the slightest bit of respect for Joe last week when during a pandemic, as the vaccine is rolling out and hundreds of thousands of lives could be saved by just staying vigilant, he decides to bring on a long-ago discredited grifter who's pushing a book telling people not to wear masks, not to take the covid vaccine, and all sorts of misinfo about the virus.
He's a piece of shit and completely out of touch. No matter how much he denies it, he has millions of listeners and he's deliberately pushing an agenda with the guests he has on. .
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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: feevers]
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Who was it? Id like to watch that one.
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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: feevers]
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I'll make sure to watch that one. I lile to watch things through the lens that other people present so I can get their perspective. You feel he didnt push against his propaganda at all?
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Of course Joe pushed back. Its joe fuckin rogan.
I like the way you type and shit. Youre typing in a way that I find correct. I honestly reckon the only difference is you have watched full length Joe rogan podcasts.... and they have watched couple minute long youtube clips. You have literally watched Joe become convinced on a new opinion. Havent you? It happens all the time on his podcast. He is a sponge.
But damnit he throws that intel back at people with slick badassery when they come at him with bullshit.
Honestly he reminds me of my late-father. Lol.
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feevers said: I stopped having the slightest bit of respect for Joe last week when during a pandemic, as the vaccine is rolling out and hundreds of thousands of lives could be saved by just staying vigilant, he decides to bring on a long-ago discredited grifter who's pushing a book telling people not to wear masks, not to take the covid vaccine, and all sorts of misinfo about the virus.
He's a piece of shit and completely out of touch. No matter how much he denies it, he has millions of listeners and he's deliberately pushing an agenda with the guests he has on. .
Bro real talk. Joe had Alex Jones on his podcast. Obviously almost all of us can agree Jones is full of shit. But thats not a reason to hate Rogan.
What I like about Rogan is that he will have people he disagrees with on his show. Its like the fake bullshit when MSNBC has Mitch mcconnell on. Or fox has bernie sanders on. The only difference is Joe acts like a god damn neutral party. Its impressive.
He has even stated that hes okay with people he disagrees with... what he doesnt like are people like Dave Rubin who are grifting. Its not always easy to tell who is grifting. Especially if Joe has been friends with them for decades. Like Alex Jones. Joe was friends with Alex I believe even in the 90s. Think about that.
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He did his usual and pushed back slightly against the most blatant bullshit but let everything else slide through unchallenged. With this sort of topic it's rediculous not to bring a real scientist on to challenge the guy's blatant misinfo, but rogan is anti-lockdown and wants to open his comedy club asap so there's no way he's going to try to debunk the guy.
He has access to the greatist scientists on the planet during a pandemic and he brings on a random guy with a bachelor's degree in history who is a known grifter and trying to sell a book on a topic he has no education or background in. There are plenty of actually educated people and people on the front lines who could voice negative opinions on lockdowns without the conspiracy bullshit and literally telling people not to wear masks or take the vaccine.
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feevers said: He did his usual and pushed back slightly against the most blatant bullshit but let everything else slide through unchallenged. With this sort of topic it's rediculous not to bring a real scientist on to challenge the guy's blatant misinfo, but rogan is anti-lockdown and wants to open his comedy club so there's no way he's going to try to debunk the guy.
He has access to the greatist scientists on the planet during a pandemic and he brings on a random guy with a bachelor's degree in history who is a known grifter and trying to sell a book
What famous person ISNT trying to sell a book?
And science has multiple sides bro. I am HEAVILY into eating meat. And Joe had two opposing people on at different times.... and also had them on together.... One argued for why to be vegan one argued for why to be omnivorous. Even me as a meat eater had to agree that there are some solid points to be made from the vegan side. Even if I prefer the meat eater perspective.
Joe is not there to tell you the answer. He is presenting the evidence and letting us decide. Its fucking refreshing.
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I'm watching the one with alex Branson now. I'm like ten minutes deep now. I can already see why some wouldnt like this. He isnt just flat out telling this guy hes wrong and hes agreeing with him on certain things. I would like to see Dr. Fauci on his show. And yea ive totally seen joe change his mind on things after seeing evidence.
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feevers said: He did his usual and pushed back slightly against the most blatant bullshit but let everything else slide through unchallenged. With this sort of topic it's rediculous not to bring a real scientist on to challenge the guy's blatant misinfo, but rogan is anti-lockdown and wants to open his comedy club asap so there's no way he's going to try to debunk the guy.
He has access to the greatist scientists on the planet during a pandemic and he brings on a random guy with a bachelor's degree in history who is a known grifter and trying to sell a book on a topic he has no education or background in. There are plenty of actually educated people and people on the front lines who could voice negative opinions on lockdowns without the conspiracy bullshit and literally telling people not to wear masks or take the vaccine.
I'm not sure he actually has access to people like fauci atm. I would really like to see him interview the guy.
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Sulfurshelfsean said: I'm watching the one with alex Branson now. I'm like ten minutes deep now. I can already see why some wouldnt like this. He isnt just flat out telling this guy hes wrong and hes agreeing with him on certain things. I would like to see Dr. Fauci on his show. And yea ive totally seen joe change his mind on things after seeing evidence.
The problem is that Joe has no science background to challenge the guy, and is barely even paying attention to covid. He essentially gave a known pseudo-researcher 3 hours on the most popular podcast on the planet to pump out misinfo at the most critical point in time we'll see during this pandemic. Right in time for the holiday gatherings as well.
It's his podcast and he can do what he wants, but people are literally dying because of covid conspiracy bullshit. JRE is mainstream media now and likely gets more hits than most things that a CNN or MSNBC puts out. He can deny responsibility all he wants and tell people he's dumb and not to listen to him, but most people arent all that bright and will easily fall under the spell of whatever grifter he brings on.
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Sulfurshelfsean said: I'm not sure he actually has access to people like fauci atm. I would really like to see him interview the guy.
Fauci is talking to anyone with a pulse at this point. He spoke virtually at the rounds at my wife's hospital a few weeks back, he was on a local radio station a couple days ago.
I'd far rather hear from an ICU doctor or nurse though, everything Fauci will say is really already out there and his position likely limits him from getting into the weeds at all.
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The problem is that Joe has no science background to challenge the guy, and is barely even paying attention to covid. He essentially gave a known pseudo-researcher 3 hours on the most popular podcast on the planet to pump out misinfo at the most critical point in time we'll see during this pandemic. Right in time for the holiday gatherings as well.
It's his podcast and he can do what he wants, but people are literally dying because of covid conspiracy bullshit. JRE is mainstream media now and likely gets more hits than most things that a CNN or MSNBC puts out. He can deny responsibility all he wants and tell people he's dumb and not to listen to him, but most people arent all that bright and will easily fall under the spell of whatever grifter he brings on.
All very good points. He should bring in someone with actual medical knowledgenof this stuff if he is going to present this side of things. I think these days everyone wants to produce "non mainstream" material because theyve been lied too so often. So regardless of whether ita true or not, half of people aint gonna listen.
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Yea, right now everyone is cashing in on anything conspiracy-related or against the mainstream. It's the rise of populism in a sick and poorly educated society, people want to fight against something but most of them don't even know who the enemy is.
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It’s funny how we’ve turned democracy into “populism” and “mob rule.”
It’s so irresponsible of a politician to appeal to the things voters want. A Serious Person knows better than to do that.
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I don’t think the wolves would bother with voting.
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That Marx was an idiot? Yes, we agree on that. Otherwise, I doubt there is much agreement at all.
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It’s so irresponsible of a politician to appeal to the things voters want. A Serious Person knows better than to do that.
Who said it's irresponsible? Pretending to appeal to things voters want works great for people like Trump, especially when you target the most angry and least educated who will never recognize the con.
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It’s so irresponsible of a politician to appeal to the things voters want. A Serious Person knows better than to do that.
Who said it's irresponsible? Pretending to appeal to things voters want works great for people like Trump, especially when you target the most angry and least educated who will never recognize the con.
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Enlil said: That Marx was an idiot? Yes, we agree on that. Otherwise, I doubt there is much agreement at all.
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Sulfurshelfsean said: I'm watching the one with alex Branson now. I'm like ten minutes deep now. I can already see why some wouldnt like this. He isnt just flat out telling this guy hes wrong and hes agreeing with him on certain things. I would like to see Dr. Fauci on his show. And yea ive totally seen joe change his mind on things after seeing evidence.
The problem is that Joe has no science background to challenge the guy, and is barely even paying attention to covid. He essentially gave a known pseudo-researcher 3 hours on the most popular podcast on the planet to pump out misinfo at the most critical point in time we'll see during this pandemic. Right in time for the holiday gatherings as well.
It's his podcast and he can do what he wants, but people are literally dying because of covid conspiracy bullshit. JRE is mainstream media now and likely gets more hits than most things that a CNN or MSNBC puts out. He can deny responsibility all he wants and tell people he's dumb and not to listen to him, but most people arent all that bright and will easily fall under the spell of whatever grifter he brings on.
So heres what sober me thinks after a good nights rest 
I reckon the thing youre complaining about is a Pro in favor of rogan. Youre saying he is having opposing views on that you believe are 100 percent false. And IMO you are right on those views being false. But the thing is.... if you or I got our way and removed those voices from the public domain..... that would be us enforcing our will onto "journalism".
You have to take the cons to be able to enjoy the pros.
What about the benefits hes given to the world? Arguably the main benefit he gives is exercise and diet advice. I would love to know the amount of people on earth he has helped lose weight and get healthy. I bet its in the millions.
Or getting people aware of more issues. How many people wouldn't know or wouldnt even think to learn about some of the things Rogan has brought up for them? From artificial intelligence to quantum physics to politics to how to cook a steak to free climbing to MMA .... I mean the list goes on and on and on. Sure. Its unlikely anyone but a very few learned anything of substance about quantum physics or any of the more complicated subjects. But thats just a testament to the sheer level of information that comes with that many hours of content with that many people.
All these specialists talking about things they specialize in. Its such an experience. And I think... demonstrably a good thing in this world.
Perhaps I am biased in saying he is one of, if not the number 1, most positively influential people in 2020. But I definitely think he is at least a positive.
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Also. On Fauci.
Are you aware that Joe Rogan is one of the only people I know of that has been suggesting people get healthier to combat Covid? Like.... eat right... lose weight.... exercise. Fauci doesnt say anything about that. Its not politically correct to do so.
Do you hold Fauci to the same fire that you hold Rogan to? Isnt he hurting the population by not actively suggesting exercise and diet? Hasnt he killed some people by not suggesting it?
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Are you aware that Joe Rogan is one of the only people I know of that has been suggesting people get healthier to combat Covid? Like.... eat right... lose weight.... exercise. Fauci doesnt say anything about that. Its not politically correct to do so.
Do you hold Fauci to the same fire that you hold Rogan to? Isnt he hurting the population by not actively suggesting exercise and diet? Hasnt he killed some people by not suggesting it?
Fauci has repeatedly advised that people exercise outdoors as a way to maintain their health during the pandemic.
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Are you aware that Joe Rogan is one of the only people I know of that has been suggesting people get healthier to combat Covid? Like.... eat right... lose weight.... exercise. Fauci doesnt say anything about that. Its not politically correct to do so.
Do you hold Fauci to the same fire that you hold Rogan to? Isnt he hurting the population by not actively suggesting exercise and diet? Hasnt he killed some people by not suggesting it?
Fauci has repeatedly advised that people exercise outdoors as a way to maintain their health during the pandemic.
Ive found a few articles where they expand on a few words hes said that basically suggests eating healthy and exercising. But I'm struggling to find anything with substance of him telling the people that in its full context.
Mostly its just "You are allowed to run during the pandemic. Just keep social distancing" So its more like hes giving people permission rather than actively suggesting exercise as a way to protect yourself from covid.
I would be interested in any clips you can pull up of Fauci suggesting exercise and diet.
At any case. Shouldnt he be shouting this from the rooftops? Fatness is the top contributing factor to death after age. And of the old people dying a lot of them are fat.
I dunno. Covid is a shit topic. lol. I'd rather watch paint dry.
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Opposing views are great, but not when they're known grifters whose words will literally lead to deaths that were avoidable. There are likely thousands of people who from that podcast alone were more careless at the holidays, stopped wearing masks, won't get the vaccine, etc. The guy presented a convincing argument to anyone not familiar with the actual facts and research. Most people listening to JRE aren't exactly fact-checking on PubMed as they listen. Joe might as well have someone on to argue that fentanyl isn't all that prevalent or deadly.. during an opiod epidemic, with no one to challenge them. The deaths aren't Joe's responsibility, but obviously the decision to have the guest on is solely his responsibility.
I don't think Joe understands Fauci's job/role at all. For awhile my wife was a rep for my state's nutrition education program, when you're acting in that kind of "arbiter of truth" capacity you're extremely limited in what you can and should say. It's not Fauci's place to tell people to lose weight or "get healthy". That's up to peoples' doctors, in his role Fauci should be keeping his message short and sweet and based in the data. I've heard him and most public officials all urging people to take care of themselves and their mental health, but it'd be irresponsible of them to phrase it as a means to help against covid, when the only proven method is to keep the virus out of your face holes.
There are no diets or vitamins or exercises that have been shown to prevent or cure covid. There's a lot of preliminary evidence for a lot of things, but again that's the role of individuals and their doctors to decide what's right, until anything is proven effective. Age and obesity are the main factors for deaths, obviously you can't make someone younger, and having obese people going on extreme diets because they think it would help them fight off covid would create its own issues. The "get healthy to beat covid" messaging in a society with a 40% obese, 70% overweight, 80% co-morbid population likely wouldn't help at all and would only lead to panic and other issues.
We already spend billions of dollars in this country promoting healthy eating, exercise, not smoking etc. During a pandemic is not really the time to double down on something that's clearly not all that effective, and takes time as most peoples' unhealthy habits are resutls of psychological factors that are not quickly/easily overcome. It's far more effectivr to keep it simple "Limit gatherings, socially distance, and wear masks/wash hands."
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We can't even convince a large chunk of the population to wear a little piece of cloth on their face for the 10 minutes a day they're in a grocery store, but rogan seems to think the government can get people with decades of being planted on the couch shoving mcdonalds and Dr pepper into their face to start eating healthy and working out.
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Kryptos
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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: feevers] 2
#27110188 - 12/27/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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feevers said: The guy presented a convincing argument to anyone not familiar with the actual facts and research. Most people listening to JRE aren't exactly fact-checking on PubMed as they listen. Joe might as well have someone on to argue that fentanyl isn't all that prevalent or deadly.. during an opiod epidemic, with no one to challenge them. The deaths aren't Joe's responsibility, but obviously the decision to have the guest on is solely his responsibility.
This is really the problem that I have with Rogan crystallized. If I knew with 100% certainty that people watching his podcasts were off fact checking, I'd think he's great. I'd have absolutely no bad opinions on him.
Have you ever heard of Linus Pauling?
Have you ever heard that Vitamin C is good for your immune system, and you should start taking vitamin C supplements if you have a cold?
See, Linus Pauling was a genius chemist. He's one of the half dozen people in the world that has two nobel prizes. I've read books he wrote. That being said, Linus Pauling was a shitty nutritionist. In the last few decades of his life, Pauling decided that taking megadoses of vitamin C would cure everything, including cancer (then he disproved that by dying of prostate cancer). Pauling would advocate that people start their day off taking 10-20g of vitamin C. Around 100-200 times the daily requirement.
There is literally no evidence linking increased vitamin C consumption (above daily requirements) with any health benefits, except for the word of Linus Pauling and his foundation/institute/whatever. But everybody and their dog knows that vitamin C cures colds.
The only reason people think that is true, is because they decided to take nutritional advice from a person who is not a nutritionist, but is a famous and brilliant chemist.
When Joe Rogan platforms someone, he is intentionally or otherwise, giving a stamp of approval of sorts. Yeah, he's willing to push back on topics he knows about, but Rogan just nods along when he doesn't know anything about the topic. Whether they are right to do so or not, many people take that as approval.
It's one of those great power/great responsibility things. It seems to me that Joe Rogan doesn't take his responsibility to his listeners very seriously. I have similar feelings towards the majority of celebrities. While some happen to be actual authorities on certain subjects and stay within the boundaries of those subjects, many are walking appeal to authority fallacies, and Rogan is one of them.
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