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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Enlil]
    #27109497 - 12/26/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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That Marx was an idiot?  Yes, we agree on that.  Otherwise, I doubt there is much agreement at all.




Dude how dare you I’m so offended now


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27109594 - 12/26/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That wasn't my intention.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: feevers]
    #27109724 - 12/26/20 08:37 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm watching the one with alex Branson now. I'm like ten minutes deep now. I can already see why some wouldnt like this. He isnt just flat out telling this guy hes wrong and hes agreeing with him on certain things. I would like to see Dr. Fauci on his show. And yea ive totally seen joe change his mind on things after seeing evidence.




The problem is that Joe has no science background to challenge the guy, and is barely even paying attention to covid.  He essentially gave a known pseudo-researcher 3 hours on the most popular podcast on the planet to pump out misinfo at the most critical point in time we'll see during this pandemic. Right in time for the holiday gatherings as well.

It's his podcast and he can do what he wants, but people are literally dying because of covid conspiracy bullshit. JRE is mainstream media now and likely gets more hits than most things that a CNN or MSNBC puts out. He can deny responsibility all he wants and tell people he's dumb and not to listen to him, but most people arent all that bright and will easily fall under the spell of whatever grifter he brings on.





So heres what sober me thinks after a good nights rest :smile:

I reckon the thing youre complaining about is a Pro in favor of rogan. Youre saying he is having opposing views on that you believe are 100 percent false. And IMO you are right on those views being false. But the thing is.... if you or I got our way and removed those voices from the public domain..... that would be us enforcing our will onto "journalism".


You have to take the cons to be able to enjoy the pros.


What about the benefits hes given to the world? Arguably the main benefit he gives is exercise and diet advice. I would love to know the amount of people on earth he has helped lose weight and get healthy. I bet its in the millions.

Or getting people aware of more issues. How many people wouldn't know or wouldnt even think to learn about some of the things Rogan has brought up for them? From artificial intelligence to quantum physics to politics to how to cook a steak to free climbing to MMA .... I mean the list goes on and on and on. Sure. Its unlikely anyone but a very few learned anything of substance about quantum physics or any of the more complicated subjects. But thats just a testament to the sheer level of information that comes with that many hours of content with that many people.


All these specialists talking about things they specialize in. Its such an experience. And I think... demonstrably a good thing in this world.


Perhaps I am biased in saying he is one of, if not the number 1, most positively influential people in 2020. But I definitely think he is at least a positive.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #27109731 - 12/26/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Also. On Fauci.

Are you aware that Joe Rogan is one of the only people I know of that has been suggesting people get healthier to combat Covid? Like.... eat right... lose weight.... exercise. Fauci doesnt say anything about that. Its not politically correct to do so.


Do you hold Fauci to the same fire that you hold Rogan to? Isnt he hurting the population by not actively suggesting exercise and diet? Hasnt he killed some people by not suggesting it?


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #27109794 - 12/26/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Also. On Fauci.

Are you aware that Joe Rogan is one of the only people I know of that has been suggesting people get healthier to combat Covid? Like.... eat right... lose weight.... exercise. Fauci doesnt say anything about that. Its not politically correct to do so.


Do you hold Fauci to the same fire that you hold Rogan to? Isnt he hurting the population by not actively suggesting exercise and diet? Hasnt he killed some people by not suggesting it?





Fauci has repeatedly advised that people exercise outdoors as a way to maintain their health during the pandemic.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: falcon]
    #27109812 - 12/26/20 09:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Also. On Fauci.

Are you aware that Joe Rogan is one of the only people I know of that has been suggesting people get healthier to combat Covid? Like.... eat right... lose weight.... exercise. Fauci doesnt say anything about that. Its not politically correct to do so.


Do you hold Fauci to the same fire that you hold Rogan to? Isnt he hurting the population by not actively suggesting exercise and diet? Hasnt he killed some people by not suggesting it?





Fauci has repeatedly advised that people exercise outdoors as a way to maintain their health during the pandemic.





Ive found a few articles where they expand on a few words hes said that basically suggests eating healthy and exercising. But I'm struggling to find anything with substance of him telling the people that in its full context.


Mostly its just "You are allowed to run during the pandemic. Just keep social distancing" So its more like hes giving people permission rather than actively suggesting exercise as a way to protect yourself from covid.

I would be interested in any clips you can pull up of Fauci suggesting exercise and diet.



At any case. Shouldnt he be shouting this from the rooftops? Fatness is the top contributing factor to death after age. And of the old people dying a lot of them are fat.



I dunno. Covid is a shit topic. lol. I'd rather watch paint dry.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Oldnameforgotten] * 1
    #27110163 - 12/27/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Opposing views are great, but not when they're known grifters whose words will literally lead to deaths that were avoidable. There are likely thousands of people who from that podcast alone were more careless at the holidays, stopped wearing masks, won't get the vaccine, etc. The guy presented a convincing argument to anyone not familiar with the actual facts and research. Most people listening to JRE aren't exactly fact-checking on PubMed as they listen. Joe might as well have someone on to argue that fentanyl isn't all that prevalent or deadly..  during an opiod epidemic, with no one to challenge them. The deaths aren't Joe's responsibility, but obviously the decision to have the guest on is solely his responsibility.

I don't think Joe understands Fauci's job/role at all. For awhile my wife was a rep for my state's nutrition education program, when you're acting in that kind of "arbiter of truth" capacity you're extremely limited in what you can and should say. It's not Fauci's place to tell people to lose weight or "get healthy". That's up to peoples' doctors, in his role Fauci should be keeping his message short and sweet and based in the data. I've heard him and most public officials all urging people to take care of themselves and their mental health, but it'd be irresponsible of them to phrase it as a means to help against covid, when the only proven method is to keep the virus out of your face holes.

There are no diets or vitamins or exercises that have been shown to prevent or cure covid. There's a lot of preliminary evidence for a lot of things, but again that's the role of individuals and their doctors to decide what's right, until anything is proven effective. Age and obesity are the main factors for deaths, obviously you can't make someone younger, and having obese people going on extreme diets because they think it would help them fight off covid would create its own issues. The "get healthy to beat covid" messaging in a society with a 40% obese, 70% overweight, 80% co-morbid population likely wouldn't help at all and would only lead to panic and other issues.

We already spend billions of dollars in this country promoting healthy eating, exercise, not smoking etc. During a pandemic is not really the time to double down on something that's clearly not all that effective, and takes time as most peoples' unhealthy habits are resutls of psychological factors that are not quickly/easily overcome. It's far more effectivr to keep it simple "Limit gatherings, socially distance, and wear masks/wash hands."


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: feevers]
    #27110182 - 12/27/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

We can't even convince a large chunk of the population to wear a little piece of cloth on their face for the 10 minutes a day they're in a grocery store, but rogan seems to think the government can get people with decades of being planted on the couch shoving mcdonalds and Dr pepper into their face to start eating healthy and working out.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: feevers] * 2
    #27110188 - 12/27/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The guy presented a convincing argument to anyone not familiar with the actual facts and research. Most people listening to JRE aren't exactly fact-checking on PubMed as they listen. Joe might as well have someone on to argue that fentanyl isn't all that prevalent or deadly..  during an opiod epidemic, with no one to challenge them. The deaths aren't Joe's responsibility, but obviously the decision to have the guest on is solely his responsibility.




This is really the problem that I have with Rogan crystallized. If I knew with 100% certainty that people watching his podcasts were off fact checking, I'd think he's great. I'd have absolutely no bad opinions on him.

Have you ever heard of Linus Pauling?

Have you ever heard that Vitamin C is good for your immune system, and you should start taking vitamin C supplements if you have a cold?

See, Linus Pauling was a genius chemist. He's one of the half dozen people in the world that has two nobel prizes. I've read books he wrote. That being said, Linus Pauling was a shitty nutritionist. In the last few decades of his life, Pauling decided that taking megadoses of vitamin C would cure everything, including cancer (then he disproved that by dying of prostate cancer). Pauling would advocate that people start their day off taking 10-20g of vitamin C. Around 100-200 times the daily requirement.

There is literally no evidence linking increased vitamin C consumption (above daily requirements) with any health benefits, except for the word of Linus Pauling and his foundation/institute/whatever. But everybody and their dog knows that vitamin C cures colds.

The only reason people think that is true, is because they decided to take nutritional advice from a person who is not a nutritionist, but is a famous and brilliant chemist.

When Joe Rogan platforms someone, he is intentionally or otherwise, giving a stamp of approval of sorts. Yeah, he's willing to push back on topics he knows about, but Rogan just nods along when he doesn't know anything about the topic. Whether they are right to do so or not, many people take that as approval.

It's one of those great power/great responsibility things. It seems to me that Joe Rogan doesn't take his responsibility to his listeners very seriously. I have similar feelings towards the majority of celebrities. While some happen to be actual authorities on certain subjects and stay within the boundaries of those subjects, many are walking appeal to authority fallacies, and Rogan is one of them.


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