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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27108968 - 12/26/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: feevers]
    #27108970 - 12/26/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'll make sure to watch that one. I lile to watch things through the lens that other people present so I can get their perspective. You feel he didnt push against his propaganda at all?


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27108976 - 12/26/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'll make sure to watch that one. I lile to watch things through the lens that other people present so I can get their perspective. You feel he didnt push against his propaganda at all?




Of course Joe pushed back. Its joe fuckin rogan.


I like the way you type and shit. Youre typing in a way that I find correct. I honestly reckon the only difference is you have watched full length Joe rogan podcasts.... and they have watched couple minute long youtube clips. You have literally watched Joe become convinced on a new opinion. Havent you? It happens all the time on his podcast. He is a sponge.


But damnit he throws that intel back at people with slick badassery when they come at him with bullshit.



Honestly he reminds me of my late-father. Lol.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: feevers] * 1
    #27108989 - 12/26/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I stopped having the slightest bit of respect for Joe last week when during a pandemic, as the vaccine is rolling out and hundreds of thousands of lives could be saved by just staying vigilant, he decides to bring on a long-ago discredited grifter who's pushing a book telling people not to wear masks, not to take the covid vaccine, and all sorts of misinfo about the virus.

He's a piece of shit and completely out of touch. No matter how much he denies it, he has millions of listeners and he's deliberately pushing an agenda with the guests he has on.
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Bro real talk. Joe had Alex Jones on his podcast. Obviously almost all of us can agree Jones is full of shit. But thats not a reason to hate Rogan.

What I like about Rogan is that he will have people he disagrees with on his show. Its like the fake bullshit when MSNBC has Mitch mcconnell on. Or fox has bernie sanders on. The only difference is Joe acts like a god damn neutral party. Its impressive.


He has even stated that hes okay with people he disagrees with... what he doesnt like are people like Dave Rubin who are grifting. Its not always easy to tell who is grifting. Especially if Joe has been friends with them for decades. Like Alex Jones. Joe was friends with Alex I believe even in the 90s. Think about that.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27108990 - 12/26/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

He did his usual and pushed back slightly against the most blatant bullshit but let everything else slide through unchallenged. With this sort of topic it's rediculous not to bring a real scientist on to challenge the guy's blatant misinfo, but rogan is anti-lockdown and wants to open his comedy club asap so there's no way he's going to try to debunk the guy.

He has access to the greatist scientists on the planet during a pandemic and he brings on a random guy with a bachelor's degree in history who is a known grifter and trying to sell a book on a topic he has no education or background in. There are plenty of actually educated people and people on the front lines who could voice negative opinions on lockdowns without the conspiracy bullshit and literally telling people not to wear masks or take the vaccine.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: feevers] * 1
    #27108997 - 12/26/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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He did his usual and pushed back slightly against the most blatant bullshit but let everything else slide through unchallenged. With this sort of topic it's rediculous not to bring a real scientist on to challenge the guy's blatant misinfo, but rogan is anti-lockdown and wants to open his comedy club so there's no way he's going to try to debunk the guy.

He has access to the greatist scientists on the planet during a pandemic and he brings on a random guy with a bachelor's degree in history who is a known grifter and trying to sell a book




What famous person ISNT trying to sell a book?


And science has multiple sides bro. I am HEAVILY into eating meat. And Joe had two opposing people on at different times.... and also had them on together.... One argued for why to be vegan one argued for why to be omnivorous. Even me as a meat eater had to agree that there are some solid points to be made from the vegan side. Even if I prefer the meat eater perspective.


Joe is not there to tell you the answer. He is presenting the evidence and letting us decide. Its fucking refreshing.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #27109003 - 12/26/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm watching the one with alex Branson now. I'm like ten minutes deep now. I can already see why some wouldnt like this. He isnt just flat out telling this guy hes wrong and hes agreeing with him on certain things. I would like to see Dr. Fauci on his show. And yea ive totally seen joe change his mind on things after seeing evidence.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: feevers]
    #27109020 - 12/26/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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He did his usual and pushed back slightly against the most blatant bullshit but let everything else slide through unchallenged. With this sort of topic it's rediculous not to bring a real scientist on to challenge the guy's blatant misinfo, but rogan is anti-lockdown and wants to open his comedy club asap so there's no way he's going to try to debunk the guy.

He has access to the greatist scientists on the planet during a pandemic and he brings on a random guy with a bachelor's degree in history who is a known grifter and trying to sell a book on a topic he has no education or background in. There are plenty of actually educated people and people on the front lines who could voice negative opinions on lockdowns without the conspiracy bullshit and literally telling people not to wear masks or take the vaccine.



I'm not sure he actually has access to people like fauci atm. I would really like to see him interview the guy.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27109036 - 12/26/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm watching the one with alex Branson now. I'm like ten minutes deep now. I can already see why some wouldnt like this. He isnt just flat out telling this guy hes wrong and hes agreeing with him on certain things. I would like to see Dr. Fauci on his show. And yea ive totally seen joe change his mind on things after seeing evidence.




The problem is that Joe has no science background to challenge the guy, and is barely even paying attention to covid.  He essentially gave a known pseudo-researcher 3 hours on the most popular podcast on the planet to pump out misinfo at the most critical point in time we'll see during this pandemic. Right in time for the holiday gatherings as well.

It's his podcast and he can do what he wants, but people are literally dying because of covid conspiracy bullshit. JRE is mainstream media now and likely gets more hits than most things that a CNN or MSNBC puts out. He can deny responsibility all he wants and tell people he's dumb and not to listen to him, but most people arent all that bright and will easily fall under the spell of whatever grifter he brings on.


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    #27109041 - 12/26/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not sure he actually has access to people like fauci atm. I would really like to see him interview the guy.




Fauci is talking to anyone with a pulse at this point. He spoke virtually at the rounds at my wife's hospital a few weeks back, he was on a local radio station a couple days ago.

I'd far rather hear from an ICU doctor or nurse though, everything Fauci will say is really already out there and his position likely limits him from getting into the weeds at all.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: feevers] * 1
    #27109070 - 12/26/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm watching the one with alex Branson now. I'm like ten minutes deep now. I can already see why some wouldnt like this. He isnt just flat out telling this guy hes wrong and hes agreeing with him on certain things. I would like to see Dr. Fauci on his show. And yea ive totally seen joe change his mind on things after seeing evidence.




The problem is that Joe has no science background to challenge the guy, and is barely even paying attention to covid.  He essentially gave a known pseudo-researcher 3 hours on the most popular podcast on the planet to pump out misinfo at the most critical point in time we'll see during this pandemic. Right in time for the holiday gatherings as well.

It's his podcast and he can do what he wants, but people are literally dying because of covid conspiracy bullshit. JRE is mainstream media now and likely gets more hits than most things that a CNN or MSNBC puts out. He can deny responsibility all he wants and tell people he's dumb and not to listen to him, but most people arent all that bright and will easily fall under the spell of whatever grifter he brings on.



All very good points. He should bring in someone with actual medical knowledgenof this stuff if he is going to present this side of things. I think these days everyone wants to produce "non mainstream"  material because theyve been lied too so often. So regardless of whether ita true or not, half of people aint gonna listen.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27109113 - 12/26/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yea,  right now everyone is cashing in on anything conspiracy-related or against the mainstream. It's the rise of populism in a sick and poorly educated society, people want to fight against something but most of them don't even know who the enemy is.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: feevers]
    #27109136 - 12/26/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #27109315 - 12/26/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It’s funny how we’ve turned democracy into “populism” and “mob rule.”

It’s so irresponsible of a politician to appeal to the things voters want. A Serious Person knows better than to do that.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27109330 - 12/26/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.  It's terribly flawed


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: Enlil]
    #27109339 - 12/26/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.  It's terribly flawed




I don’t think the wolves would bother with voting.


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27109344 - 12/26/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Regardless that’s why Marx calls for a dictatorship of the proletariat, and not liberal democracy. We agree!


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Re: Dave Rubin, Alex Jones [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27109464 - 12/26/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That Marx was an idiot?  Yes, we agree on that.  Otherwise, I doubt there is much agreement at all.


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    #27109473 - 12/26/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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It’s funny how we’ve turned democracy into “populism” and “mob rule.”

It’s so irresponsible of a politician to appeal to the things voters want. A Serious Person knows better than to do that.




Who said it's irresponsible? Pretending to appeal to things voters want works great for people like Trump, especially when you target the most angry and least educated who will never recognize the con.


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    #27109485 - 12/26/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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It’s funny how we’ve turned democracy into “populism” and “mob rule.”

It’s so irresponsible of a politician to appeal to the things voters want. A Serious Person knows better than to do that.




Who said it's irresponsible? Pretending to appeal to things voters want works great for people like Trump, especially when you target the most angry and least educated who will never recognize the con.




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