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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
#27106240 - 12/24/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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deadmandave said: That dude is using two twelve disc foggers per tent. He could save much time and money by switching to a high pressure system.
I like pond foggers for being easy to setup and low initial investment but lots of people have had their units burn out.
A high pressure system seems more reliable long term, less maintenance/cleaning and possibly even cheaper depending on the size of the operation.
I wonder about quality of the foggers being at least part of the issue. Inexpensive ones made in China may not last as long. SouthWest Mushroom is a commercial operation, I don't know the guy nor how successful his operation is, but he runs through hundreds of blocks/week in that pond fogger setup. I was excited several weeks ago with my greenhouse-in-the-basement setup, but I've quickly seen that it is far to large. The greenhouse is old so I may cut some pipes cut some plastic cover, gerri-rig a much smaller setup. It either is far to dry or dripping wet depending on how I humidify it. Being winter here in Pennsylvania isn't helping, my house is like 48% humidity now that the furnace is running. I am not looking for anything big, I'm just growing for home use and maybe drying some, so max capacity of grow room 3-5 5lb bags at a time I tried tote with perlite which works great for oyster or other fast growing, but I currently have a maitake bag in there that is faltering. They take forever to fruit anyway and this bag has been in there for almost 2 weeks and it just beginning to put out pre-fronds. Harvest will be much less than I should get from this growbag size. I researched the heck out of this new hobby but never considered the problems with keeping a stable humid and pathogen-free fruiting chamber. I tend to be O.C.D. about researching but somehow I missed the pitfalls of humidity. Luckily all of my Maitake bags are super healthy and the others I haven't opened to fruit yet until I lick this humidity problem.
yeah even the nice foggers are made in china. Those 12 discs are $300, so he has $600 in foggers for each grow tent. thats like $1.8k-2.4k in foggers! you can get way better humidification for that money without all the cleaning maintenance.
that being said, i had a 3 disc from HOH that i used for more than 2 years and it still works. it humidified a room that was 8x8x8.
for me the easiest way to control a fogger was a cycle timer.
i think you're on the right track. just a word of caution, if you shrink your room down too much you might struggle with oysters if you continue to grow them. They like a little bit larger space. perhaps a circulation fan would help them in a small grow room.
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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: RamJam]
#27106815 - 12/25/20 02:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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**idk how to post gifs, but picture the michael jackson eating popcorn gif here**
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What size is the tent you are using now? WAY too big- 8X8X10
How many disks is the fogger you are using? None, the tent is too big I used a humidifier and it caused horrible condensation
How are you getting your intake air? Passively, the tent holds 640 cubic feet and I only have 1 Maitake block in it currently
How are you running your exhaust air? I'm not
How are you controlling your humidity? (Timer or Humidity controller?) Vaporizer
We can get this working for you but If you need it in a week you are going to have to get going. You still may not make it in a week but we will give it a shot.Thanks. I put the Maitake block in a shotgun tub to try to keep it alive while I redo the greenhouse. It's old so I'm not opposed to cutting it up to make a smaller area. 3X3X6 I was considering with just enough room for plastic shelves and a zipper front. Obviously the home vaporizer is a fail, it blasts out incredible humidity but too much as the cool air of the tent roof/floor condenses the vapor and drips. That is a recipe for contaminant mold. Maybe a dryer vent and exhaust fan running full may overcome the buildup, I'm not opposed to pond foggers though.
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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
#27107152 - 12/25/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Up to you to break down the FC and reassemble to the size you'd prefer. But with that said, even if you reduce the size of the FC, it's worth investing in a humidity controller, and you'll want to exhaust the air in your FC so you can get a good fresh air exchange.
I have a 3x3x5 FC that I'm setting up with a 3disc fogger, 4" exhaust fan setup to an infinite cycle timer to completely recycle the air in the FC 6 times an hour, a humidity controller that kicks on my fogger when humidity drops below 70% and brings it up to 85% before turning off, and then lights on a 12hr on/12hr off timer.
Makes it easier.
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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: taku]
#27107237 - 12/25/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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taku said: Up to you to break down the FC and reassemble to the size you'd prefer. But with that said, even if you reduce the size of the FC, it's worth investing in a humidity controller, and you'll want to exhaust the air in your FC so you can get a good fresh air exchange.
I have a 3x3x5 FC that I'm setting up with a 3disc fogger, 4" exhaust fan setup to an infinite cycle timer to completely recycle the air in the FC 6 times an hour, a humidity controller that kicks on my fogger when humidity drops below 70% and brings it up to 96% before turning off, and then lights on a 12hr on/12hr off timer.
Makes it easier.
Care to share pics if your setup if you have them, and any details on your humidity controller, fan, etc.? And what types do you grow in your FC?
I am hoping to start growing edibles in the next couple months. I spent a few years way back with the psilocybin kind, but excited to dive into edibles. My plan is shiitake and oyster right now.
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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: dodgem]
#27107462 - 12/25/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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QUESTION: What are the comparisons between a tub with fan and fogger blowing in to the tent versus a cool mist home humidifier such as "Home Medics" etc. and a tube system blowing it into the tent besides the hassle of refilling the home humidifier more often?
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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
#27107588 - 12/25/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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They are the same thing. They are ultrasonic humidifiers. Your problem is you are not controlling the humidity with a cycle timer or a humidity controller. Not the humidifier itself.
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SHROOMSISAY01 said: They are the same thing. They are ultrasonic humidifiers. Your problem is you are not controlling the humidity with a cycle timer or a humidity controller. Not the humidifier itself.
Yes, I failed to control the humidity and just let it run. I think the heated humidifiers make larger droplets also which precipitate out of the air faster. At the very least I need a meter to read humidity and shut off the humidity at a certain level, and an exhaust fan for either negative or positive pressure on the tent to circulate CO2/O2. So why are people paying hundreds of $$$ for ceramic pond foggers that fail after a year when they could use $20 ultrasonic bed-side humidifiers?
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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
#27107802 - 12/25/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
#27107827 - 12/25/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm still setting it up at the moment. I have to put a hole in our house to vent properly.
I got the Digiten Humidity Controller from Amazon. Vivosun 4" exhaust fan - Amazon. Quote:
Possum-Pie said: QUESTION: What are the comparisons between a tub with fan and fogger blowing in to the tent versus a cool mist home humidifier such as "Home Medics" etc. and a tube system blowing it into the tent besides the hassle of refilling the home humidifier more often?
What Shroomsisay01 says is accurate. Also, with the fan blowing in the fog through a pipe, there is some fresh air coming in, though not enough to support good fae. So it's just a better volume of fog.
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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: taku]
#27107849 - 12/25/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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You better wrap the senor in a paint booth filter. Mine has lasted a lot longer with it wrapped. I place my sensor on the intake of my circulation fan so I get the best readings. At least that is where I get my best readings because the air the circulation fan is drawing in has already been mixed by the fan. I would also buy another sensor for your controller. It is better to have one ready to replace it than to have to wait a week and lose your harvest from lack of humidity. The filter helps keep the spores off of the sensor and from my experience the spores are what seems to destroy the sensors.
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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: dodgem]
#27107957 - 12/25/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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taku said: Up to you to break down the FC and reassemble to the size you'd prefer. But with that said, even if you reduce the size of the FC, it's worth investing in a humidity controller, and you'll want to exhaust the air in your FC so you can get a good fresh air exchange.
I have a 3x3x5 FC that I'm setting up with a 3disc fogger, 4" exhaust fan setup to an infinite cycle timer to completely recycle the air in the FC 6 times an hour, a humidity controller that kicks on my fogger when humidity drops below 70% and brings it up to 96% before turning off, and then lights on a 12hr on/12hr off timer.
Makes it easier.
Care to share pics if your setup if you have them, and any details on your humidity controller, fan, etc.? And what types do you grow in your FC?
I am hoping to start growing edibles in the next couple months. I spent a few years way back with the psilocybin kind, but excited to dive into edibles. My plan is shiitake and oyster right now.
No pics yet as I'm still getting things set up. But essentially I do this: - connect my fogger to my humidity controller which kicks it on when RH drops below 70 and runs it until RH gets to 85% - connect my led lights to a timer with 12hrs on/12hrs off. - exhaust my tent using vivosun 4" exhaust fan. I plug it into an infinite cycle timer to run 15 sec every 10 minutes. The 15 seconds is based on the sqft of my FC so would be dependent on your setup. - tracking down a small circulation fan for inside the FC.
Btw this is all based on conversations I've had with shroomsisay, so I can't take credit for this.
I'll definitely post some pictures when I get things running.
I plan on growing oysters and LM in my FC. Shiitake are something I want to grow, but they grow well at lower temps, so not planning to grow alongside my other two. Someone else here can probably explain that better though. I haven't investigated growing shiitake alongside other species.
Here's a drawing of the setup.
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SHROOMSISAY01 said: You better wrap the senor in a paint booth filter. Mine has lasted a lot longer with it wrapped. I place my sensor on the intake of my circulation fan so I get the best readings. At least that is where I get my best readings because the air the circulation fan is drawing in has already been mixed by the fan. I would also buy another sensor for your controller. It is better to have one ready to replace it than to have to wait a week and lose your harvest from lack of humidity. The filter helps keep the spores off of the sensor and from my experience the spores are what seems to destroy the sensors.
Paint booth filter?
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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: taku]
#27107986 - 12/25/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea I wrap it around the sensor and use zip ties.
This is what I bought. If you don't wrap it you will be replacing sensors every 3 to 6 months....
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32901676837.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.33064c4dLtjUAA
you get a lot if you get it from where I got mine. I got more than I will ever use. I just made two while I am using one I wash out the other to be ready for when I need to switch it out again.
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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: taku]
#27108073 - 12/25/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for sharing the design. I feel like I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on a set up. After getting my first pretty good fruit from LM a few days ago (just from a bag in a tote on perlite) I have decided I need to keep em coming and want them big and healthy cuz aside from the desirable health benefits it's absolutely delicious! And ya please follow up with pics once you get it going!
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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: RamJam]
#27108430 - 12/26/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShroomsIsay1, thanks for all the help for us nubies. I modified my greenhouse down as small as I could get- 5'X 3.5'X 5' or about 90 cubic feet. I ordered a humidity controller with probe from Amazon that will keep the humidity at a set percentage. The setup is in my basement where the temperature is a steady 58 degrees F. Depending on the variety, I'm going to have to heat the area sometimes also. I'm Working on an air exchanger with parts I have around the house.
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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
#27108511 - 12/26/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mines in our fieldstone basement, which can be a tad chilly, so I purchased a simple oil heater, the kind that looks like a radiator.
One thing I've seen mentioned quite a bit is to heat the space that your FC is in, don't heat the FC itself.
Perhaps more experienced cultivators can attest to that. I simply run my rad 24/7 at the right settings to maintain ~70F
Can't seem to get it higher, but it works for what I'm growing.
Also @possum, grats on the big modification to the FC. The big steps are always a bit of a project.
And @RamJam, that's awesome. Tbh figuring it all out on paper and ordering the parts was half of the fun. The setting up and building part is fun also, I better get to it
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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: taku] 1
#27108780 - 12/26/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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It is best and more pocket friendly to just grow the mushroom suited for your temps. Change the mushrooms you are growing as the temps change.
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SHROOMSISAY01 said: It is best and more pocket friendly to just grow the mushroom suited for your temps. Change the mushrooms you are growing as the temps change.
I've read several places that both Maitake and Shiitake will fruit in chillier temps, will it effect production or just time-to-maturity? Looks like they will both grow in temps 50-70 degrees F. my basement is 58 degrees
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Re: Shitake Block Fruiting [Re: Possum-Pie]
#27109350 - 12/26/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't see why it would reduce production. They will more than likely just take longer to mature. But to be honest I am not really sure you might wait for someone that has dealt with different temps to give you the answer.
I always just check mycelia.be and follow their guidelines.
from what I just read about 3790 it pins less from 65F and up.
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