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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: The Mycologist]
#27104675 - 12/23/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Like, is "nursing" an actual college major? They're only required to take the most basic science classes like intro to chemistry, intro to bio, etc.
Yes, it is, lol...
those are the prerequisite courses- the ones you take in order to get into nursing school: Anatomy & Physiology 1 & 2, Chemistry, Microbiology, Human Growth and Development, Statistics, as well as all the super basic stuff that everyone has to have to get an associates.
Then you do 4 semesters to get an Associate's Degree of Nursing. This consists of theory courses where you learn about disease processes and how nurses are involved in treating them and dealing with patients who have them, practice courses where you learn how to do basic skills like inserting catheters, nasogastric tubes, IV lines, etc., and clinical hours where you go to various kinds of hospital units (Med-Surg, Pediatrics, Labor & Delivery, and Mental Health). At that point you can take an exam called the NCLEX which, if you pass it, qualifies you to be a registered nurse.
Depending on where you live, this may be sufficient to practice the way you want. In rural areas, this level of education can get you good hospital jobs. In the city, they almost never can. To get a job at a city hospital in most places, you need a Bachelor's Degree. This requires an additional 31 credit hours that can be split among 2 or 3 semesters, consisting of courses related to management, informatics, advanced health assessment techniques and more. Once you've finished that, you're qualified to begin a Residency at any hospital nationwide. The length of the residency depends on the complexity of the unit (operating room residencies are much longer than Med-Surg residencies), and involves working with a preceptor every shift who monitors you. Then you are a fully independent practicing nurse.
You can then get a Master's Degree in numerous different things: 1) Nurse Practitioner - There are 5 kinds - Family, Gerontological, Pediatric, Neonatal Acute, and Mental Health. Nurse practitioners can practice certain kinds of medicine, like performing medical diagnoses, ordering labs, and ordering medications, in some states. They make well over 100k on average where I live. 2) Nursing Management and Administration 3) Nursing Education 4) Master of Science in Nursing
You can also multiple different kinds of doctoral degrees: Doctor of Nursing Practice, which gives you even more independence. DNPs can practice independently of MD supervision in some places. Or a Doctor of Philosophy (PhD). PhDs focus on either nursing research (yes, there is such a thing and it's fascinating) and nursing education.
Some schools are better than others, no doubt. There are shitty private schools who will take your money to guarantee you pass nursing school. There are really good schools as well. Some people are lazy and stupid and some people are smart and driven It's just like any other field.
It's a very versatile field and if you're a go-getter type person who doesn't let your employer steamroll you, it can be great. A lot of nurses have the type of disposition where they let people walk all over them, and they just don't fight back when employer demands are unrealistic. But it's definitely got its problems...
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: morrowasted]
#27104773 - 12/23/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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*In a hushed tone* Let me tell you about the CRNA.
Another tibit that might make someone bite the bullet.
Theres a special kind of nurse. They are called a CRNA
Certified registed nurse anesthesiologist. It is a Masters level only
And you get to administer sleepy drugs ALL DAY long and get paid 100$ and hour STARTING PAY
Opioid Abuse Among Nurse Anesthetists and Anesthesiologists is the wors out of ANY nurses. Over 40% of crnas abuse the drugs they administer as some point.
Another powerful kind of nurse is the bishop nurse she can move diagnolly..
lol the nurse is called a Nurse Practitioner only a masters lever and they can open up their own medicine pracitce in ost states they can prescribe medication.
A MASTERS DEGREE NURSE ACTING AS A DOCTOR.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: TigerStrike]
#27104821 - 12/23/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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CRNA school is nuts
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: TigerStrike]
#27104973 - 12/23/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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How do nurses become addicted to the same drugs they administer??
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: The Mycologist] 1
#27105001 - 12/23/20 10:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Mycologist said: They were mad about no STAL
-------------------- Nothing says love like grannies prolapsed anus! quote]Urb said: I know... Its fucked up... Ill fix it minyana..[/quote]
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27105011 - 12/23/20 11:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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OutsideOfMyMind said: How do nurses become addicted to the same drugs they administer??
Serious question?
It boils down to life is hard, access is there. Humans.
Do you look down on nurses? What do you study?
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: MorphinTime]
#27105372 - 12/24/20 07:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't they keep strict inventory of drugs?
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27105429 - 12/24/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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It depends on the setting. A typical floor nurse will work with strict controls around giving narcotics. Where I am, and probably in most places, the meds are locked up in a machine that dispenses only exactly what you need, and another nurse has to sign off anytime you give a narcotic that you did in fact give it. If you have to waste some, someome has to sign off on that too.
In the nursing home environment the tech isnt as good and med nurses could probably get away with theft by swapping pills.
I dont know for sure but I imagine CRNAs have fairly liberal access to anesthetics and opioids. They can never know ahead of time exactly how much they will need to keep someone sedated, so the amount they have is typically more than they will actually need. I dont do OR stuff so I am not sure what the procedures surrounding those meds are after the surgery is done. I could easily see a CRNA telling a pharmacist they had to give 200mg of something when they really only had to give 100 and pocketing the difference.
The question of abuse gets pretty tricky in some cases. I know for example that some anesthesiologists use propofol to get really deep rest when they only have a short opportunity to sleep between rotations. Is that really "abuse" just bc it isnt prescribed and it is being used off label, if its use is overall benefiting both doctor and patient?
Of course, there are some that become junkies and end up accidentally killing patients. A spine surgeon here recently got charged with murder after it was discovered he was high on dilaudid and some other shit when 2 people died during his surgeries.
That kind of shit will land you in a world of trouble though.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27105746 - 12/24/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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OutsideOfMyMind said: Don't they keep strict inventory of drugs?
My father became a volunteer ambo. He lives in a remote part where very well trained community members perform the roles of first responders.
My dad is known to let his hair down on occasion.
I still remember him telling me wide eyed and giddy "they just throw out all the out of date stuff"
For instance.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: morrowasted] 1
#27106076 - 12/24/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Using your position as an anesthesiologist to steal medicine to get better rest. Is that really abuse. Whats wrong with just being a thief and a drug abuser if you do your work and not hurt anyone. I don't need to sugar coat something wrong I do to myself to trick myself that its the right thing. If stealing was the wrong thing would the judge that judged the man that stole bread pull out money from his own pocketbook to pay the theifs fine?
To you, stealing the meds and taking them for rest gives you better rest and makes you more efficient DO IT. Nothing should be illegal.
So yes it would be abuse but if your morals allow, no one is hurt and you dont get caught. Then thats fine. And likely the case more than the numbers suggest too.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: TigerStrike]
#27106482 - 12/24/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont know a single drug dealer that refuses to serve nurses. 
Sigh. Yes, most drugs in hospitals or healthcare buildings that can get you fucked up are watched. Most nurses getting fucked up aren't stealing from where they work, they get high old-fashioned style like most do. There are exceptions, sure.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: MorphinTime]
#27106787 - 12/25/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh so they're gaming the system then.
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