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Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! *DELETED* 1
#27104929 - 12/23/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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laughingdog
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: OnlyHuman] 1
#27105108 - 12/24/20 01:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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He is against thought .. but ... it sure seems like he has a lot of thoughts he wants to communicate to others so they can think thoughts that agree with his thoughts and seems unaware of how silly this is as do the members of his audience
seems weird
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: OnlyHuman]
#27105118 - 12/24/20 01:35 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Alpha through Theta state of consciousness is where the "uplink" magic occurs .
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: Loaded Shaman]
#27105131 - 12/24/20 01:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The content of consciousness is consciousness!
The observer is the observed!
Conformity is disorder!
The description is not the described!
"We started out by asking if I can look at the whole movement of life as a unitary process. The killing, the refugees, the war in the Middle East, the Catholics, the Protestants, the scientists, the artists, the businessmen, private life, public life, my family, your family - there is endless division. This division has brought about such disorder in the world and in myself. Can I look at all this as a marvellous single movement?
I can't, that is a fact. I can't, because I am fragmented in myself. I am conditioned in myself. So my concern then is, not to find out how to live a unitary life, but to see if the fragmentation can come to an end. And that fragmentation only comes to an end when I realize that all my consciousness is made up of these fragments. My consciousness is the fragmentation. And when I say, "There must be integration, it must be brought together", it is still part of that trick I am playing upon myself.
So I realize that. I realize it as a truth, like fire burns, you can't deceive me, it is a fact, and I am left with it. And I have to find out how it operates in my daily life - not guess, play, theorize. Because I have seen the truth of it, that truth is going to act. If I don't see it and pretend I have seen it, then I am going to make a hideous mess of my life." -Krishnamurti
-------------------- O son of Kunti, I am the taste of water, the light of the sun and the moon, the syllable om in the Vedic mantras; I am the sound in ether and ability in man.
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: Loaded Shaman]
#27105134 - 12/24/20 01:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: OnlyHuman]
#27105181 - 12/24/20 02:53 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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"You're living in a dream, I dribble in my sleep You're looking in the mirror while I'm spitting to this beat"
Yes thought is destructive, he's a buddha but he isn't the first and won't be the last to say it.
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: laughingdog]
#27105233 - 12/24/20 04:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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laughingdog said: He is against thought .. but ... it sure seems like he has a lot of thoughts he wants to communicate to others so they can think thoughts that agree with his thoughts and seems unaware of how silly this is as do the members of his audience
seems weird
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: mycot] 2
#27105320 - 12/24/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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the activity of the mind is thought the objects in mind are thought. even our personality is thought.
meditation is thought. yoga is thought.
what you practice becomes second nature. that is how thoughts are shaped when they are unsuitable as is.
some people practice convincing other people that they are right and get pretty good at it - this distorts perspective, and is not suitable.
do not demonize thought, cultivate it to make life better.
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: laughingdog]
#27105593 - 12/24/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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keep listening to him, you'll catch on, I promise
I will say that he repeatedly says that he has no illusions that these conversations are going to help anybody, and that everybody that is asking him questions is not looking for the truth but just another answer to add to the continuity of their thought structure. He also says that he is like a puppet and that we are pulling the strings, like a tape-recorder, that we are pulling the answers out of him.
If you have illusions about how an enlightened being will act, you'll miss what he's saying.
To sum it up though, what he is saying is give up. Everything that you are doing is adding to the momentum of thought, that all of your ideas and philosophizing is taking you away from by your natural state. There is nothing to understand.
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: Loaded Shaman] 1
#27105606 - 12/24/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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People that talk like you are obnoxious speak in common terms or don't speak at all
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: Grapefruit]
#27105618 - 12/24/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Everyone says that thought is destructive, but what do you do about it? That's where U.G. differs
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: redgreenvines]
#27105633 - 12/24/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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All we know is thought
What is there to cultivate there? All I've done is cultivate thought and it's led me nowhere. All I've done is refine this tool that I've held in such high esteem and for what? It's not that there is a problem with thought per-say, in fact there is absolutely nothing wrong with thought when it is operating in it's natural place, but what we're doing is entirely different. We're trying to understand, we're trying to use thought to reach a goal, an ultimate goal, how absurd! Why should we have to plan out anything besides the petty? Why do we have such great confidence in thinking that we would place before it the task of molding our lives? Morality, truth, self-progress, this is all nonsense. Whatever so-called morality is there when you forget about morality and trying to be righteous is moral, trying to be other than what you are is accomplishing nothing.
I'm a hypocrite
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: OnlyHuman]
#27105920 - 12/24/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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OnlyHuman said: People that talk like you are obnoxious speak in common terms or don't speak at all
I've spent countless hours reading and watching UG in a long distant past, I have a feel as to what he was about. It does mystify somewhat how many people don't see it but eh, I didn't really see it at first even when I thought I did. I've given up on trying to explain him because it's very hard, and I don't really "get" him after all these years anyway, if there even is anything to get, he's a slippery motherfucker and an enigma all unto himself. People make similar criticisms of him as they do Laozi I've noticed. "If the tao is unspeakable why do you sit there trying to speak it? etc. etc."
And by the way Loaded Shaman is a pretty cool dude, which you might realise if you spent any time around here. What's obnoxious is someone like you wading in here like you know everything without even a hello first. Anyway, hi there shithead.
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: Grapefruit]
#27105941 - 12/24/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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People make similar criticisms of him as they do Laozi I've noticed. "If the tao is unspeakable why do you sit there trying to speak it? etc. etc."
He says that people ask questions and he answers, that he doesn't have any drive to say what he is saying, that it is all pulled out of him by the questioner. All he is saying is that your thinking is getting you nowhere and that there are no problems and no goals and that the demand to be enlightened is what keeps us from being enlightened and that there's not a damn thing we can do about it so we might as well just drop it and go live our lives.
I've talked to Loaded before I used to post here a little bit in 2019 and he seemed kind but his comment was absurd and if he has something to say he should say it in clear terms
I'm not pretending like I know everything I'm just denouncing philosophy as a practice because for the same reason that I think as a philosopher you can agree that tradition should be denounced lol
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: OnlyHuman]
#27105980 - 12/24/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think that's a part of it but what he's saying and more importantly doing is much bigger in scope than that in IMO, he was a secretive guy and you aren't going to get a full idea of his philosophy from a few videos and quotes. Nor without properly understanding the background of it, both from the west and the east. Bubble wrap yourself in him and it's just more sophistry.
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: OnlyHuman]
#27105985 - 12/24/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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OnlyHuman said: keep listening to him, you'll catch on, I promise
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your condescending tone aside...
those interested in the subject have heard it all hundreds of times before ... at least Eckhart Tolle is funny, and shows evidence of enjoying himself and his audiences... but not this guy
also dumping on thought, and making it the devil, will only tie some people in knots, that's why there are methods like mantra and following the breath, that don't tackle it directly.
Nothing new here - just a poor presentation.
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: laughingdog]
#27106024 - 12/24/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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From my perspective you are comparing some Oprah Winfrey cracker (one of the countless false claimers of enlightenment and self help book writers) to the kind of philosopher who only comes along once every few centuries. Not that Tolle's somewhat wishy washy philosophy has no value.
Just putting it out there that that's how it looks to me.
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: Grapefruit]
#27106025 - 12/24/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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He had no philosophy, boiling his words down to a philosophy is to miss the point entirely. We're animals, we don't need philosophy, we need food, water, and shelter. We live in memory and die in memory and never touch life because through philosophizing and trying to reach a made-up goal through thought we are adding momentum to ego/thought. Anything else that he has said is of no use to us.
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: OnlyHuman]
#27106045 - 12/24/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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W/o watching the video I assume he is attempting to show how being is independent of thinking.
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Re: Snap out of it! Thought is your enemy! [Re: Grapefruit]
#27106052 - 12/24/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Grapefruit said: From my perspective you are comparing some Oprah Winfrey cracker (one of the countless false claimers of enlightenment and self help book writers) to the kind of philosopher who only comes along once every few centuries. Not that Tolle's somewhat wishy washy philosophy has no value.
Just putting it out there that that's how it looks to me.
No I compared the presentation of a specific message, about thoughts. Which many teachers have presented over hundreds of years. Then I mentioned traditional methods used by many.
It doesn't seem to matter whom you like more, for the points I made. This guy comes across as doing exactly what he criticizes. Tolle has a very different approach with this issue, which apparently you haven't seen, but is on Youtube.
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