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OfflineBuckomcdoogle
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Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination?
    #27103325 - 12/23/20 12:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Does it? or is it just another example of the left being flip flopping hypocrites when its convenient?

I'm not even an "anti vaxxor" and I'm definitely NOT pro life.

I just have ZER0 faith in the government pulling something like this off without royally fucking up out of incompetence or corruption.

It just seems wrong that the government might force people to take this vaccine that has had NO long term studies, and has also been rushed through at every turn as quickly as possible for political reasons.....

Either the individual has final say over their bodies or the government does, you can't have it both ways......

Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination?
If not, why does it apply to reproductive rights but not individual rights?


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Buckomcdoogle] * 1
    #27103339 - 12/23/20 12:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don't see any good reason for why it shouldn't.

There's the public health angle, sure, but it's not stopping people from, say, requiring proof of vaccination as a requirement. Like how you need to be vaccinated to go to school in most cases. Seems perfectly reasonable to me that way.

Of course, I think a simpler rule would be "don't be a dick to the people around you", but people really seem to have trouble with that one.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27103369 - 12/23/20 01:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Theres no law mandating it, just requirements if using public school, etc.

But yeah say you need to go to the hospital, when you get there, you sign off for consent of care, at which point you're agreeing to treatment, like if they need to administer antibiotics or a painkiller, etc. You can always refuse anything they try to administer you, but they're trying to help

Being skeptical about a new vaccine is healthy, imo.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: skOsH]
    #27103382 - 12/23/20 01:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It better apply to it. Imagine the amount of violence that would take place if people were to be forced to take some brand new vaccine that bypassed a bunch of regulations and has who knows what kind of effects.

Youtube and other sites have been shutting down doctors that try to caution people about this vaccine too. This one series called "ask the experts" had a panel detailing the possible dangers and it was taken down faster than almost anything I've seen be deleted. Now the only "ask the experts" episodes are all pro vaccine. Some other panel I listened to, the doctors speaking were saying they're in contact with tens of thousands of others that say the same, and that they're getting threatened and fired etc for cautioning people too. If the vaccine is so effective for people who get it, what do these people pushing it care if others want to risk getting sick? Kinda creepy to me.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Eminence]
    #27103408 - 12/23/20 02:04 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Nobody is going to force you to do it. But if you don't you won't be able to go to school or work for many employers. If you're self employed, it depends what you do. For instance, if you do home renovations, most people are not going to let you in their house.

It's up to you.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Eminence]
    #27103413 - 12/23/20 02:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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It better apply to it. Imagine the amount of violence that would take place if people were to be forced to take some brand new vaccine that bypassed a bunch of regulations and has who knows what kind of effects.

Youtube and other sites have been shutting down doctors that try to caution people about this vaccine too. This one series called "ask the experts" had a panel detailing the possible dangers and it was taken down faster than almost anything I've seen be deleted. Now the only "ask the experts" episodes are all pro vaccine. Some other panel I listened to, the doctors speaking were saying they're in contact with tens of thousands of others that say the same, and that they're getting threatened and fired etc for cautioning people too. If the vaccine is so effective for people who get it, what do these people pushing it care if others want to risk getting sick? Kinda creepy to me.




I can see that point of view. But I can also see YouTube learning how social media can spread and indoctrinate dangerous ideas. Like Facebook accidentally facilitating genocide. Stakes are high and YouTube is scared. No one knows what will happen with global vaccination. If YouTube funnels ideas towards pro-vaccine, more vaccinations occur. If they work, they win! If issues occur, then they can say, no one knew, we thought we were doing the right thing and there’s no legal liability. If they choose NOT to censor and shit hits the fan, huge financial loses and deaths will be on their conscience and put them at risk of large financial losses from reduced usage to new laws limiting their powers.

I wouldn’t use their censorship as a gauge for safety. I’d gauge safety by what happens... everything is creepy anymore lol 🙃


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #27103495 - 12/23/20 04:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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It better apply to it. Imagine the amount of violence that would take place if people were to be forced to take some brand new vaccine that bypassed a bunch of regulations and has who knows what kind of effects.

Youtube and other sites have been shutting down doctors that try to caution people about this vaccine too. This one series called "ask the experts" had a panel detailing the possible dangers and it was taken down faster than almost anything I've seen be deleted. Now the only "ask the experts" episodes are all pro vaccine. Some other panel I listened to, the doctors speaking were saying they're in contact with tens of thousands of others that say the same, and that they're getting threatened and fired etc for cautioning people too. If the vaccine is so effective for people who get it, what do these people pushing it care if others want to risk getting sick? Kinda creepy to me.




It’s not creepy and no different than other mass inoculation efforts in the past. Mandatory vaccinations have a long history in the United States. There’s nothing special about this time. Mandatory vaccination is not unconstitutional. It’s settled law. People cannot be forced to get vaccinated, but they can be subject to fines until they do. They can be barred from participating in activities until they are vaccinated. They can be prohibited from using public transportation, or flying on airplanes, or enter buildings. They can be fired for not getting vaccinated.

There is something seriously sick in our culture that individuals feel that they have no obligations to society, or no desire to participate in any effort to benefit the greater good. This country is populated with a bunch of selfish assholes.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27103514 - 12/23/20 04:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don't believe most people are scared enough about this shit to just not allow people near them without having gotten a vaccine. I do agree that the "elites" will try to, in a sense, force people by saying "welp, you can't live life normally then, sucks for you." I feel kinda bad for people who believe this virus is actually worse than the effects of the decisions made concerning it.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: koods] * 2
    #27103520 - 12/23/20 04:31 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Don't get vaccinated man! It's a plot by the chinese spies!!! !!!!!






Ok I can't in good conscience do that.
No one is going to force you to get vaccinated. No one will force you to brush your teeth either, even though society would benefit and it's good for your health too.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Shroomple] * 1
    #27103525 - 12/23/20 04:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Youtube (Google) could use a little less power anyway. I'm not implying that the censorship is a gauge of the vaccine's danger, per se. The amount of censorship going on is dangerous in itself. Youtube is not responsible for thousands of doctors cautioning people about a vaccine. Neither are the other sites deleting those videos. Who is deciding which experts are right and which are wrong?

I don't believe for a second all this is happening naturally, this whole thing is 100% part of a bigger plan. You got the pope, the Rothschilds, multiple credit card companies, Rockefeller foundation, and the WEC all talking about using this to bring in global socialism. I don't trust this vaccine or the people pushing for us to get it one bit. You guys can go right ahead, but I already had covid and since I last checked a few weeks ago, the recontraction rate is something like 0.00000007%, based on the 4 reported cases out of 56,000,000 anyway. I make my money from home and nobody I do business with would give one damn about me not being vaccinated.

Knowing most of the people on this forum, I know some will say I'm nuts, others will say "global socialism sounds rad though", but if you want to at least hear me out, just ask some questions and I can answer either by myself, or post some videos to answer for me.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Eminence]
    #27103526 - 12/23/20 04:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

God damn how do people get this brainwashed?

You’ve absolutely lost it dude


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: koods]
    #27103528 - 12/23/20 04:40 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You forgot George soros


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #27103533 - 12/23/20 04:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't believe for a second all this is happening naturally, this whole thing is 100% part of a bigger plan. You got the pope, the Rothschilds, multiple credit card companies, Rockefeller foundation, and the WEC all talking about using this to bring in global socialism. I don't trust this vaccine or the people pushing for us to get it one bit.





The idea a vaccine will bring about socialism is such a stupid American thing to say. WTF does a fucking vaccine shot have to do with socialism? I keep hearing the government wants to "control" you, no the government wants to get you back to work to pay your fucking taxes to make them rich.

Anywwoo....

I think I should have the right to know who is not vaccinated too, like you have a tattoo or "Scarlet Letter" type of public marking. I shouldn't have to stand next to unclean people at the bank or the grocery store. We should have rights too, I should have the right to not get your rona virus while you cough on everyone in public. As long as there is a public sphere I say fuck anti vaxers rights


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Eminence]
    #27103542 - 12/23/20 05:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Eminence said:

I don't believe for a second all this is happening naturally, this whole thing is 100% part of a bigger plan. You got the pope, the Rothschilds, multiple credit card companies, Rockefeller foundation, and the WEC all talking about using this to bring in global socialism.

Knowing most of the people on this forum, I know some will say I'm nuts,




Go figure.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27103549 - 12/23/20 05:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Still hasn't said 'deep state'... c'mon dude, I know you want to


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: viraldrome]
    #27103580 - 12/23/20 06:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't believe for a second all this is happening naturally, this whole thing is 100% part of a bigger plan. You got the pope, the Rothschilds, multiple credit card companies, Rockefeller foundation, and the WEC all talking about using this to bring in global socialism. I don't trust this vaccine or the people pushing for us to get it one bit.





The idea a vaccine will bring about socialism is such a stupid American thing to say. WTF does a fucking vaccine shot have to do with socialism? I keep hearing the government wants to "control" you, no the government wants to get you back to work to pay your fucking taxes to make them rich.

Anywwoo....

I think I should have the right to know who is not vaccinated too, like you have a tattoo or "Scarlet Letter" type of public marking. I shouldn't have to stand next to unclean people at the bank or the grocery store. We should have rights too, I should have the right to not get your rona virus while you cough on everyone in public. As long as there is a public sphere I say fuck anti vaxers rights




So much stigmatism.

This is what 'they' want.

More divisions.

Divide and conquer.

99% survival rates yet it's so deadly causing much fear.

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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #27103616 - 12/23/20 06:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Insurance deductibles should be doubled for those that chose not to get it, simply because they will be a higher financial strain on the already piss poor system.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: christopera]
    #27103934 - 12/23/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Insurance deductibles should be doubled for those that chose not to get it, simply because they will be a higher financial strain on the already piss poor system.




:nojustno:

Financial strain? How?


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
    #27103940 - 12/23/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You think spending a week in the hospital is free?


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: koods]
    #27103968 - 12/23/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

HH doesn't believe that people go to the hospital for COVID. So it's pointless to entertain him.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: koods] * 1
    #27104043 - 12/23/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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There is something seriously sick in our culture that individuals feel that they have no obligations to society, or no desire to participate in any effort to benefit the greater good. This country is populated with a bunch of selfish assholes.




This is why I'm okay with people not getting vaccinated, but also okay with unvaccinated people being banned from public life. If you want to be an individual who does individualistic things and not one of the brainwashed sheep, then you don't get to come to the grocery store, or the bar, or the school with the other sheep.

You wanna be an individual, figure it out on your own.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27104609 - 12/23/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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christopera said:
HH doesn't believe that people go to the hospital for COVID. So it's pointless to entertain him.




:pleasetellmemore:

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This is why I'm okay with people not getting vaccinated, but also okay with unvaccinated people being banned from public life. If you want to be an individual who does individualistic things and not one of the brainwashed sheep, then you don't get to come to the grocery store, or the bar, or the school with the other sheep.

You wanna be an individual, figure it out on your own.




Banned from public life? For not getting a new vaccine? For a 'virus' with a 99% survival rate? How radical.

Do you yell at others to wear mask?


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #27104659 - 12/23/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Banned from public life? For not getting a new vaccine? For a 'virus' with a 99% survival rate? How radical.

Do you yell at others to wear mask?




See, that's the thing. Getting vaccinated is part of "public life". It's like wearing pants. Or obeying traffic laws. There's a reason I keep my house at 75, and that's because as soon as I get home, my pants come off. I fucking hate wearing pants. But I wear pants for public life.

So yes, if you refuse to get vaccinated, then in my book, you're refusing to participate in "public life", and I don't see any issues with banning you from public life.

Freedom of choice does not mean freedom from consequences of that choice.

I don;t yell at people that don;t wear masks. I refuse to interact with them or acknowledge their existence in any way, though. To me, they refuse to participate in public life, and I exclude them from mine.

EDIT: It goes farther than masks, even. There are plenty of valid choices that people make that result in me excluding them from my life. Gun owners are not welcome in my house. You can exercise your second amendment rights all you want on a public street, but if you try to come into my house with a gun, I will call the cops. My friends know this. One fot he people I game with is explicitly not allowed to come to my house because they tried to bring their gun once. I no longer invite them to parties, and if they show up, I tell them to leave. You have the first amendment right to yell racial slurs at people, but I'm not gonna stop someone from stomping your ass as a result.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27104710 - 12/23/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Try my body my choice by taking out your dick on the subway and see how that goes


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27104756 - 12/23/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Banned from public life? For not getting a new vaccine? For a 'virus' with a 99% survival rate? How radical.

Do you yell at others to wear mask?




See, that's the thing. Getting vaccinated is part of "public life". It's like wearing pants. Or obeying traffic laws. There's a reason I keep my house at 75, and that's because as soon as I get home, my pants come off. I fucking hate wearing pants. But I wear pants for public life.

So yes, if you refuse to get vaccinated, then in my book, you're refusing to participate in "public life", and I don't see any issues with banning you from public life.

Freedom of choice does not mean freedom from consequences of that choice.

I don;t yell at people that don;t wear masks. I refuse to interact with them or acknowledge their existence in any way, though. To me, they refuse to participate in public life, and I exclude them from mine.

EDIT: It goes farther than masks, even. There are plenty of valid choices that people make that result in me excluding them from my life. Gun owners are not welcome in my house. You can exercise your second amendment rights all you want on a public street, but if you try to come into my house with a gun, I will call the cops. My friends know this. One fot he people I game with is explicitly not allowed to come to my house because they tried to bring their gun once. I no longer invite them to parties, and if they show up, I tell them to leave. You have the first amendment right to yell racial slurs at people, but I'm not gonna stop someone from stomping your ass as a result.




Why aren't flu shots mandatory? Should they be? There's annual influenza pandemic that kills many.

Traffic laws are broken every day. I speed, along with a majority of people who drive around me. No blinkers, crossing double white lines weaving in-out of HOV lane, tailing too close, etc, I see it everyday. I make a conscious effort to be a defensive driver, for my safety and those around me.

Knives are lethal, do you allow people in your home with a knife? Any in your kitchen?

If this were about public health, fast food would not be operating. Smoking would be illegal. Refined sugar would be banned. Etc.

Florida has been 100% operational capacity, no mask mandates, since late September. No vaccine, no 'explosion' of deaths or cases. People allowed to work and make money to buy food to better their health. No job = no money = no food, unless you want to depend on a government to feed you. Good luck with that.

California has had some of the strictest mask mandates, now lockdowns and 'cases' continue to surge.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
    #27104863 - 12/23/20 08:37 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Mostly because of covidiots.

And Florida is currently one of the deadliest places in the world for the year of 2020.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27104958 - 12/23/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Mostly because of covidiots.

And Florida is currently one of the deadliest places in the world for the year of 2020.






:pleasetellmemore:

Florida has a bunch of old people too. Koods will say, the weather in Florida is fine. But not in L.A.?

Then there's NY.

Haven't seen these charts in a while.



Think a vaccine is going to help?

Contact tracing?

:goodluckwiththat:

How about earlier treatment protocols?


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    #27105010 - 12/23/20 11:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yup, all those things would help, if not for covidiots.

Unfortunately, the US has a critical mass of covidiots, which is why the US just set a national record for deadliest year ever, while places like New Zealand haven;t thought about covid ever since they banned travel from the US.


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    #27105201 - 12/24/20 03:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Sputnik anyone ?


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    #27105213 - 12/24/20 03:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, soviet communists won the space race.

Not like communists win everything, for example, capitalists (and slave labor) got you that iphone. That's better than space travel right?


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    #27105223 - 12/24/20 04:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'll try again given the nature of this thread.
Sputnik vaccine anyone ?


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    #27105228 - 12/24/20 04:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Space vaccine sounds good to me.

Assuming I'm not first in line.


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    #27105246 - 12/24/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So, let me get this straight. If I catch a cold or flu, no problem, but if I catch Coronavirus 19 I'm a covidiot?
:whateveryousayfreak:

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    #27105326 - 12/24/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'll try again given the nature of this thread.
Sputnik vaccine anyone ?




Only 200,000 have received the Russian vaccine. The numbers were projected to be much higher by this point. It's effectives has been gauged at 91.4%. They have now abandoned the double blind and are giving everyone the real thing.


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    #27105875 - 12/24/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'll try again given the nature of this thread.
Sputnik vaccine anyone ?




Only 200,000 have received the Russian vaccine. The numbers were projected to be much higher by this point. It's effectives has been gauged at 91.4%. They have now abandoned the double blind and are giving everyone the real thing.




I wouldn't be surprised if it were a new flu shot variant.

Russians aren't dumb. Chess is a popular game.


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    #27106567 - 12/24/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The funny thing with these people ia they wont even try the whole self awareness and caring about other people thing for even say six months to try and stop this virus. They automatically start looking for reasons to cry about having to wer a mask or whatever.

Right now florida has 1.4 million cases recorded and climbing and new York is at some 890000. Thats because floridians refuse to social distance, etc. NY has 36000 deaths and florida has 20000. Probably going to go up. I'll bet that floridas numbers are way worse and being fudged too what with the governor trying to silence medical professionals.


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    #27106575 - 12/24/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

California just surpassed 2 million cases.

Heavy mask mandates and lockdowns.

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    #27106579 - 12/24/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You think there arent antimaskers in calli? Just like NY whether you know it or not there are alot of right wingers in these states and they all like throwing a shit fit and getting other people sick.


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    #27106582 - 12/24/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Like, really, do you think if a huge number of people arent complying that you can say masks and distancing dont help?


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    #27106590 - 12/24/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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California just surpassed 2 million cases.

Heavy mask mandates and lockdowns.

:pleasetellmemore:




California 35th out of 50 in cases per capita.

Guess who’s number one and two. North - and hamhead’s favorite state for covid best practices - South Dakota.


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    #27106636 - 12/24/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Like, really, do you think if a huge number of people arent complying that you can say masks and distancing dont help?




I think risk evaluation has been thrown out a window and a majority (99.7%) should survive a coronavirus 19 infection.

Those at risk may want to think about taking action to boost their immune systems. Especially those over age 75.

Florida has some good data on mask vs no mask. Texas as well.

And let us not forget Sweden. Haven't seen any news on Sweden lately, let's check it out! See if they're locking down or have implemented mask mandates.

Beep bop boop pop.



:shrug:

Seems like Sweden is coming out of a second wave, clearly, on that graph. Also to note, 99.9% mild conditions and N/A recovered.

Once you got it, it's like herpes I guess. Will we see flare ups later?

How Sweden Abandoned Its Most Vulnerable And Its Principles

"Despite the ‘precautionary principle’ being a cornerstone of Swedish democracy, the country’s authorities chose not to enact early or effective protections to shield its most vulnerable. 90% of Sweden’s COVID-19 deaths have been among people aged 70 and over; half of whom lived in long-term care facilities.

“Most of the elderly die without ICU (intensive care unit) care,” Anders Tegnell, chief epidemiologist at Sweden’s Public Health Agency (FHM), wrote to colleagues on 24 March. Despite this knowledge, the Government under Prime Minister Stefan Löfven and its authorities did not take measures to ensure that its elderly were protected.

The Swedish Health and Care Inspectorate (IVO) reported in its investigation that one-fifth of people in nursing homes were denied their right to receive an individual medical assessment. Failures were cited in all of Sweden’s 21 healthcare regions.

“The casualties in Sweden are mostly in elderly homes and older people,” Prime Minister Löfven said on 8 September. “That has nothing to do with people walking in the city.”

a healthcare centre in Jönköping who has since left his country in protest at how Sweden has handled the Coronavirus pandemic.

On 8 April, he received an email ordering him to make care plans for his patients. The email contained a link to a video on how to provide “end-of-life care with COVID-19 in primary care” which recommended morphine as a first treatment and did not mention oxygen.

In the planning of care, it was assessed whether a patient, in the event of contracting COVID-19, would stay in the nursing home and receive morphine or if they would be strong enough to survive the ICU and a ventilator. “There was no middle road of getting oxygen treatment or other care at the hospital,” Dr Tallinger said.

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    #27106644 - 12/24/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Swedens top epidemiologist, who helped develope their plan says he regrets the plan.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-06-03/man-behind-sweden-s-virus-strategy-says-he-got-some-things-wrong

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    #27106647 - 12/24/20 10:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Jesus christ and your article is basically saying "fuck old people let them die". Despicable.


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    #27106655 - 12/24/20 10:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Those at risk may want to think about taking action to boost their immune systems. Especially those over age 75.



Yes. It’s called a vaccine.


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    #27106663 - 12/24/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Jesus christ and your article is basically saying "fuck old people let them die". Despicable.




I think people might be catching onto this. Slowly, but catching on.

For example, there are no essential workers. There are essential jobs. Workers are replaceable.


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    #27106668 - 12/24/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Jesus christ and your article is basically saying "fuck old people let them die". Despicable.




Well, that's what Andrew Cuomo was doing in NYC by putting old people with possible Covid 19 positive test in nursing homes, remember?

And that article confirms what LeningradCowboy was saying about how Sweden was giving morphine to elderly.


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    #27106670 - 12/24/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It’s even worse. It’s fuck old people and anyone who isn’t in perfect health. It’s eugenics by proxy.


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    #27106673 - 12/24/20 11:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Jesus christ and your article is basically saying "fuck old people let them die". Despicable.




Well, that's what Andrew Cuomo was doing in NYC by putting old people with possible Covid 19 positive test in nursing homes, remember?

And that article confirms what LeningradCowboy was saying about how Sweden was giving morphine to elderly.




I thought Sweden was the perfect example of how to handle covid. Well, right next to South Dakota which has had the highest covid death rate for at least six weeks



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    #27106685 - 12/24/20 11:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Just in case people don’t understand the South Dakota reference. Hamhrad started pushing the qanon propaganda that South Dakota was the epitome of good covid management.

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Jesus christ and your article is basically saying "fuck old people let them die". Despicable.




Well, that's what Andrew Cuomo was doing in NYC by putting old people with possible Covid 19 positive test in nursing homes, remember?

And that article confirms what LeningradCowboy was saying about how Sweden was giving morphine to elderly.



So what youre saying is youre cool with letting the old people die of covid...unless cuomo is the reason the old people die of covid? Lol if cuomo is liable for those old people dying I say string him up. The right wing cried about fabled death panels over the ACA. I remember watching the news and conservatives were crying about how democrats were going to Ayn Rand their grandparents. But theyre fine with Ayn Randing old people if theyre inconvenienced by wearing masks....


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27106702 - 12/24/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Where did I say I was OK with old people dying?

I said earlier, those at risk should boost their immune systems.

:shrug:

I think you are misunderstanding. A majority (90%) of those who died in Sweden were over age 70, half of which died in nursing homes. Their 'end of life for Covid19 in primary care' protocols included morphine.

It seems like Sweden wasn't caring for their elderly, though at least in NYC, they weren't killing them with morphine, but with ventilators, a much more, how to say, tragic way to go, tube down throat in coma, isolated from family and friends.

I wonder what would have happened had nothing been done. Think those people would have gotten morphine doses if there wasn't Coronavirus 19?


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    #27106705 - 12/24/20 11:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If your idea of handling this is to just hope for herd immunity then youre okay with old people dying in mass numbers. Thats quite literally what herd immunity is. Thinning the herd.


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    #27106728 - 12/25/20 12:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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If your idea of handling this is to just hope for herd immunity then youre okay with old people dying in mass numbers. Thats quite literally what herd immunity is. Thinning the herd.




:justno:

Thinning the herd?

:whattefuck2:

I'll say it again, those at high risk should take actions to boost their own immune system. If they feel they need protection, they should isolate themselves and let the remaining 98% of the population who will survive, continue on and build natural herd immunity,  while high risk people isolate and care for themselves better. Edit; if unable to care for themselves, like my neighbor, someone can be either hired or donate their time, like his ex wife.

Old people die at higher rates than young people. It's what happens when people get to be over 70, their immune systems start failing and they become susceptible to diseases.

People act like a coronavirus 19 infection is a death sentence.

And it's psychologically damaging and dangerous to our children. Being told they have to wear a mask and social distance from their friends.





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    #27106792 - 12/25/20 01:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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And it's psychologically damaging and dangerous to our children. Being told they have to wear a mask and social distance from their friends.




There it is. The argument that started the war on drugs.

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    #27107124 - 12/25/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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    #27107270 - 12/25/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

There’s not a right or wrong answer.

We’ve always drawn an arbitrary line between personal liberty and what’s best for society.


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    #27107304 - 12/25/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

They won't make it mandatory but will if you want to see a concert in the future, a movie, travel etc.


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    #27107333 - 12/25/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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    #27107541 - 12/25/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Here in Australia children of primary age  kept right on going to school, no mask wearing or  social distancing.  No problems occurred from this. There is no good reason for making these kids wear masks.

What people think of mask wearing is often based on rather simple assumptions rather than the science.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27107817 - 12/25/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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And it's psychologically damaging and dangerous to our children. Being told they have to wear a mask and social distance from their friends.




There it is. The argument that started the war on drugs.

ThInK oF tHe ChilDrEn.



Exactly. Thats why they go around accusing everyone and their grandma of being pedophiles. Because if you bring the children into it no ones gonna argue against you. The argument in the left devolves into people calling others nazis, the argument on the right devolves into calling others pedophiles.

As for taking your vitamins...yes always take your vitamins. It helps keep your immune system running in good shape.any Any illness really, if youre getting the vitamins and minerals you need, you'll have slightly better odds at beating it. This is very basic nutritional science.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: mycot]
    #27107871 - 12/25/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Here in Australia children of primary age  kept right on going to school, no mask wearing or  social distancing.  No problems occurred from this. There is no good reason for making these kids wear masks.

What people think of mask wearing is often based on rather simple assumptions rather than the science.




You don’t need masks when you only have a few cases


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: koods]
    #27107882 - 12/25/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ive got an idea to reach herd immunity naturally. Everyone gathers in their town square and coughs in each others mouths. The goal is to try and have everyone cough in everyone elses mouth within say an hour. That way we can make sure to spread it around quick. Meanwhile we take zinq suppositories before hand so that our immunes systems are boosted enough live through it.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27107889 - 12/25/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

HCQ and other types of theoretical prophylaxis would be interfering with herd immunity as well, but hamhead only cares about masks and social distancing. Maybe he can explain.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: koods]
    #27107893 - 12/25/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Well the good news is, with my plan, you can always wait for the hcq to wear off and have someone cough in your mouth later


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    #27107908 - 12/25/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

At that point, why not just schedule a mandatory orgy?


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27107911 - 12/25/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thats such a better idea...


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27107913 - 12/25/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

:rush:

Great ideas!

:nojustno:

How about, everyone goes about their normal lives pre covid and if someone thinks they might feel a little ill, they can isolate themselves to slow spread of cold and flu viruses, AND take vitamins.

Sort of like how 2019 went.

:shrug:

Sounds pretty fucking logical to me. Considering.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
    #27107917 - 12/25/20 09:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Sure.

Except, No shoes, no shirt, no vaccine, no service.


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    #27107931 - 12/25/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

And no healthcare


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27107953 - 12/25/20 09:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Sure.

Except, No shoes, no shirt, no vaccine, no service.




Why not with flu shots then?


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
    #27107956 - 12/25/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Because the flu rarely kills 300000+ people in the USA. 2018-2019 flu deaths were 36000


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
    #27107960 - 12/25/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Sure.

Except, No shoes, no shirt, no vaccine, no service.




Why not with flu shots then?




This should 100% apply to flu shots as well. And any other vaccines.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: koods]
    #27107961 - 12/25/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

No service for alcoholics , cigarette users and people who don't look after their health with a healthy diet ?


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27107967 - 12/25/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Because the flu rarely kills 300000+ people in the USA. 2018-2019 flu deaths were 36000




Average 2.6 other underlying comorbidities.

:teareally:

We can argue about this all day. And I will, because when someone test positive at 37 cycles of a PCR test and dies of a heart attack 3 weeks later, that death had nothing to do with Coronavirus 19 or Covid 19.

Compare flu test to Coronavirus 19 test, as I have been, to get a different perspective.

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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: Kryptos]
    #27107972 - 12/25/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Kryptos said:
Quote:

HamHead said:
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Kryptos said:
Sure.

Except, No shoes, no shirt, no vaccine, no service.




Why not with flu shots then?




This should 100% apply to flu shots as well. And any other vaccines.




I strongly disagree.

Using words "any other" says you would be willing for everyone to take all the vaccines ever produced, which is extremely dangerous rhetoric to be spreading.

Check out Dengue Virus Vaccine and vaccine induced ADE.


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
    #27107973 - 12/25/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Enough with this qanon garbage


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    #27107978 - 12/25/20 09:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Can you add some context to like all of that? And how many flu deaths do you think have a comorbid factor? Do you for some reason think that there are no long term affects from covid that exaccerbate said comorbidities to a point they might not otherwise be? To the point of lethality? For example lung scarring. Which can kead to less blood oxygen, in turn higher blood pressure that can exaccerbate heart conditions etc. Etc.... You're not looking at the whole picture dude. I dont think you understand comorbidity.


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    #27107985 - 12/25/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I’d like him to explain the 350,000 extra deaths this year if not covid. Did everyone suddenly stop taking their vitamins? He’s literally never explained what is killing all these people if not covid


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    #27107990 - 12/25/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

350000 diabetics all decided to pig out on ice cream hardcore this year.


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    #27108010 - 12/25/20 10:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Can you add some context to like all of that? And how many flu deaths do you think have a comorbid factor? Do you for some reason think that there are no long term affects from covid that exaccerbate said comorbidities to a point they might not otherwise be? To the point of lethality? For example lung scarring. Which can kead to less blood oxygen, in turn higher blood pressure that can exaccerbate heart conditions etc. Etc.... You're not looking at the whole picture dude. I dont think you understand comorbidity.




""This happens because the flu virus injures the lungs and causes inflammation that then makes it easier for bacteria to invade the lungs and cause a very serious infection," Bocchini told CBS News. "The bacterial infection can make it hard for children to breathe, and their lungs struggle to get enough oxygen for their body."

Sepsis is another complication that can lead to death. It occurs when the body overreacts to an infection. Sepsis can affect multiple organ systems, sometimes causing organ failure and resulting in death."

Inflammation causes issues. Some people are constantly inflamed. Fibromyalgia?

Context

During the 2019-2020 influenza season, CDC estimates that influenza was associated with 38 million illnesses, 18 million medical visits, 405,000 hospitalizations, and 22,000 deaths. The influenza burden was higher in young children (0-4 years) and adults (18-49 years) compared with a recent season with the 2017-2018 season, a recent season with high severity, and provides evidence to support how severe seasonal influenza can be at any age.

Burden Estimates Limitations
These estimates are subject to several limitations.

First, rates of influenza-associated hospitalizations are based on data reported to the Influenza Hospitalization Surveillance Network (FluSurv–NET) through September 2, 2020. Final case counts may differ slightly as further data cleaning from the 2019-2020 season are conducted by FluSurv–NET sites. The most updated crude rates of hospitalization for FluSurv-NET sites are available on FluView Interactive (6).

Second, national rates of influenza-associated hospitalizations and in-hospital death were adjusted for the frequency of influenza testing and the sensitivity of influenza diagnostic assays, using a multiplier approach (3). However, data on testing practices during the 2019–2020 season were not available at the time of estimation. We adjusted rates using the lowest multiplier from any season between 2010–2011 and 2017–2018. Burden estimates from the 2019–2020 season will be updated at a later date when data on contemporary testing practices become available.

Third, estimates of influenza-associated illness are made by multiplying the number of hospitalizations by the ratio of illnesses to hospitalizations; estimates of medical visits are made by a similar process.  These multipliers are based on data from a prior season, which may not be accurate if patterns of care-seeking have changed.

Fourth, our estimate of influenza-associated deaths relies on information about location of death from death certificates to calculate ratios of deaths occurring in the hospital to deaths occurring outside of the hospital by categories of causes of death.  However, death certificate data during the 2019–2020 season were not available at the time of estimation. We used death certification data from all influenza seasons from 2010–2011 through 2017–2018 where these data were available from the National Center for Health Statistics. To calculate these ratios, first we calculate the frequency of flu-related deaths reported from our FluSurv-NET surveillance system that have cause of death identified as pneumonia or influenza (P&I), other respiratory or cardiovascular (other R&C), or other non-respiratory, non-cardiovascular (non-R&C).  Next, to account for deaths occurring outside of a hospital, we use information from national death certificates to calculate the proportion of deaths from these causes that occur in and out of the hospital. Data to generate these frequencies were not available from the 2019–2020 season at the time of estimation, so we used the average frequencies of location of death for each of the cause categories from previous seasons, 2010–2011 through 2017–2018.

Fifth, estimates of burden were derived from rates of influenza-associated hospitalization, which is a different approach than the statistical models used in older published reports. This makes it difficult to directly compare our estimates for seasons since 2009 to those older reports, though the estimates from our current method are largely consistent with estimates produced with statistical models for similar years (12–13).  However, it is useful to keep in mind that direct comparisons to influenza disease burden decades ago are complicated by large differences in the age of the US population and the increasing number of adults aged ≥65 years."

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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
    #27108025 - 12/25/20 10:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

None of that mentions comorbidity rates related to flu deaths. Nor gives context to your statement about 2.6 morbidities. I may not have been clear about what I was asking context for. Thats my fault.


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    #27108026 - 12/25/20 10:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Can you just answer these questions in your own words


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    #27108027 - 12/25/20 10:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

He just posts a quote from an article with no context. That whole thing didnt reference the flu and comorbidity rates at all....


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    #27108031 - 12/25/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don’t think he’s ever answered anything without copy pasta


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    #27108049 - 12/25/20 11:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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He just posts a quote from an article with no context. That whole thing didnt reference the flu and comorbidity rates at all....




Flu excrabates comorbidities.

That article shows 22k flu deaths for 2019-2020 season. Are those deaths where flu was the ONLY cause of death? Is that a reason it's so low, they've stopped adding other comorbidities to those death certs, which by that article were unavailable at the time of estimate.

So, :shrug:.

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    #27108050 - 12/25/20 11:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-do-you-die-from-flu

Other people may die from the flu because their immune systems are already compromised by another illness. “Getting the flu can exacerbate conditions like diabetes, asthma, and chronic lung disease,” Dr. Salber explains. “If someone with diabetes has mild renal failure, gets the flu, doesn’t keep up with hydration—which makes renal function worse—and can’t fight off the flu infection as well because they already have a lowered immune response, they can start to spiral out of control.”


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Re: Does "my body my choice" apply to vaccination? [Re: HamHead]
    #27108097 - 12/25/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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HamHead said:
Quote:

Kryptos said:
Quote:

HamHead said:
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Kryptos said:
Sure.

Except, No shoes, no shirt, no vaccine, no service.




Why not with flu shots then?




This should 100% apply to flu shots as well. And any other vaccines.




I strongly disagree.

Using words "any other" says you would be willing for everyone to take all the vaccines ever produced, which is extremely dangerous rhetoric to be spreading.

Check out Dengue Virus Vaccine and vaccine induced ADE.




Funny you bring up Dengue, because while Dengue, and the Aedes Aegypti mosquito that carries it, has historically been confined to more tropical areas, their range is expanding to cover the continental US. This is happening for a variety of reasons, primarily caused by warming climates in the southeastern US. While they are currently starting to appear in significant quantities in Texas and Florida, they are predicted to establish a stable population as far north as Indiana by 2050.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-019-0376-y

So yeah. I'd expect Dengue vaccine to get added to the standard vaccination protocol in the US over the next few decades.


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    #27108128 - 12/26/20 12:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The global population at risk from mosquito-borne diseases—including dengue, yellow fever, chikungunya and Zika—is expanding in concert with changes in the distribution of two key vectors: Aedes aegypti and Aedes albopictus. The distribution of these species is largely driven by both human movement and the presence of suitable climate. Using statistical mapping techniques, we show that human movement patterns explain the spread of both species in Europe and the United States following their introduction. We find that the spread of Ae. aegypti is characterized by long distance importations, while Ae. albopictus has expanded more along the fringes of its distribution. We describe these processes and predict the future distributions of both species in response to accelerating urbanization, connectivity and climate change. Global surveillance and control efforts that aim to mitigate the spread of chikungunya, dengue, yellow fever and Zika viruses must consider the so far unabated spread of these mosquitos. Our maps and predictions offer an opportunity to strategically target surveillance and control programmes and thereby augment efforts to reduce arbovirus burden in human populations globally.


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    #27108133 - 12/26/20 01:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

1 Why did you copy/paste that?
2 Did you read it before you copy/pasted it?


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    #27108136 - 12/26/20 01:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If I had to guess, he misread the part where they're studying human movement as if that disproved the climate angle, which is clearly referenced as the primary cause alongside human movement.


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    #27108296 - 12/26/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I’d like him to explain the 350,000 extra deaths this year if not covid. Did everyone suddenly stop taking their vitamins? He’s literally never explained what is killing all these people if not covid




Probably a national zinc shortage. Let's blame China.


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    #27108301 - 12/26/20 06:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

China would be a lithium shortage. Guess the bipolar people all went nuts.

EDIT: Shit, china is also the main zinc producer in the world.


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    #27108396 - 12/26/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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If I had to guess, he misread the part where they're studying human movement as if that disproved the climate angle, which is clearly referenced as the primary cause alongside human movement.




Using statistical mapping techniques, we show that human movement patterns explain the spread of both species in Europe and the United States following their introduction.

Introduction? Like, they these mosquitos were introduced?

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/weekly-dengue-cases-drop-to-year-low-after-historically-severe-outbreak-084200450.html

"Community stakeholders began to mobilise efforts to check households for potential mosquito breeding habitats, and encourage residents to use insect repellent and insecticides. Town councils were also mobilised to step up inspections and vector control operations in the common areas of estates."

I wonder if breathing in insect repellent and insecticides causes any health issues. Those are some pretty harsh chems, have they all been tested for human safety? I bet many of them are dangerous for human consumption.

Talk about introduction.

https://www.gatesnotes.com/Health/Mosquito-City

'Ol Bill Gates is breeding mosquitos by the millions, possibly billions. For research? Hope he has a really big cage to keep those mosquitoes at bay.

:canthelpbutlaugh:

Sorry, I can't help but point that out, why would Bill want so many mosquitoes?

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"On May 1, 2020, the company Oxitec received an experimental use permit from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to release millions of GM mosquitoes (labeled by Oxitec as OX5034) every week over the next two years in Florida and Texas. Females of this mosquito species, Aedes aegypti, transmit dengue, chikungunya, yellow fever and Zika viruses. When these lab-bred GM males are released and mate with wild females, their female offspring die. Continual, large-scale releases of these OX5034 GM males should eventually cause the temporary collapse of a wild population."

Gates Foundation Awards $4.1 Million for Mosquito Engineering

All that fucking money and he's interested in creating new strains of mosquitoes? And releasing them?

:whattefuck2:

I would think, I would want LESS mosquitoes. Those buggers are annoying AF.

After a field experiment between 2013 and 2015, genetically modified mosquitoes are breeding in Brazil. According to the researchers' original plan, all released mosquitoes and their offspring should have died.

So, uh, yeah, looks like there are some humans releasing mosquitoes.

"An attempt to contain the populations of the yellow fever mosquito Aedes aegypti in Brazil may have failed. It appears that gene mutations have been transferred to the local population.

The British company Oxitec had released about 450,000 male mosquitoes every week in the city of Jacobina in the Bahia region with official permission over a period of 27 weeks. The experminet was designed to control the infectious diseases dengue, zika and yellow fever."

Study on DNA spread by genetically modified mosquitoes prompts backlash

Millions of genetically modified mosquitoes to be released in Florida

Um, how about no to releasing millions of mosquitoes? Ya know, to help prevent some of these mosquito born diseases.

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    #27108403 - 12/26/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Did you ever get to the point of the mosquito releases?

They're genetically modified to have fucked up unviable mosquito children. Hence why releasing them would cause a local population collapse. They compete with the local population for mates, but never properly knock the lady mosquitos up because they're shooting blanks.

It's like the monsanto corn which doesn't produce viable seeds.


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    #27108435 - 12/26/20 08:53 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Did you ever get to the point of the mosquito releases?

They're genetically modified to have fucked up unviable mosquito children. Hence why releasing them would cause a local population collapse. They compete with the local population for mates, but never properly knock the lady mosquitos up because they're shooting blanks.

It's like the monsanto corn which doesn't produce viable seeds.




https://m.dw.com/en/genetically-modified-mosquitoes-breed-in-brazil/a-50414340

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Genetically modified mosquitoes breed in Brazil
By Fabian Schmidt | 13.09.2019
A yellow fever mosquito, Aedes aegypti
After a field experiment between 2013 and 2015, genetically modified mosquitoes are breeding in Brazil. According to the researchers' original plan, all released mosquitoes and their offspring should have died.

An attempt to contain the populations of the yellow fever mosquito Aedes aegypti in Brazil may have failed. It appears that gene mutations have been transferred to the local population.

The gene modification called OX513A in the mosquitoes was designed in such a way that the first descendant generation of the mosquitoes, known as F1, would not reach the adult stage and thus not be able to reproduce.

Mosquito population collapsed during the trial period
The hope of the Ministry of Health was to reduce mosquito populations by 90 percent. And this worked well during the field trial. About 18 months after the end of the experiment, the mosquito population returned to what it had been before.

The gene modification of the released mosquitoes also produced a fluorescent protein that made it possible to distinguish the first F1 generation from other mosquitoes.

Researchers at Yale University have examined the mosquitoes found in the region for their genetic alterations one year after the release, as well as 27 to 30 months after the release.

They came to the conclusion that parts of the gene alteration had unexpectedly migrated into the target population of local mosquitoes.

Gene modification was passed on
In the different samples, between 10 and 60 percent of the mosquitoes carried corresponding changes in the genome. The study was published in Nature: Scientific Reports on September 10.

If the field trial had taken place as originally predicted, the gene modification would not have been allowed to migrate into the mosquito populations because the offspring of the mosquitoes originally released would not have been able to reproduce.

However, it was already known from previous laboratory experiments that a small proportion of about three to four percent of OX513A descendants can reach adulthood; the scientists had assumed that those would be too weak to reproduce.

The authors of the study found that the GM mosquitoes were equally suitable as carriers of infectious diseases as the mosquitos were before the experiment.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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    #27108448 - 12/26/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So, in other words, it worked.

Of course, nature finds a way.

For some reason, we still think we're gonna beat nature at her game with climate change. Which is why we will probably all die.


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    #27108455 - 12/26/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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So, in other words, it worked.

Of course, nature finds a way.

For some reason, we still think we're gonna beat nature at her game with climate change. Which is why we will probably all die.




Sure, for 18 months, then what, release more GM mosquitoes?

:whateveryousayfreak:

How about, not releasing them to begin with. Considering they still carry infections diseases, like wild mosquitoes.

Wild, mosquitoes.

Seriously?


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    #27108460 - 12/26/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Well, option B is to tackle climate change so that the range of the mosquitos stays limited.

Ain't no way Bolsonaro, or the rest of the world, for that matter, will ever do that.


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    #27108486 - 12/26/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-do-you-die-from-flu

Other people may die from the flu because their immune systems are already compromised by another illness. “Getting the flu can exacerbate conditions like diabetes, asthma, and chronic lung disease,” Dr. Salber explains. “If someone with diabetes has mild renal failure, gets the flu, doesn’t keep up with hydration—which makes renal function worse—and can’t fight off the flu infection as well because they already have a lowered immune response, they can start to spiral out of control.”




This. The diabetics in the example would have lived if not for the flu exaccerbating their disease. Ergo the flu killed them. Not their diabetes. Same for corona.


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    #27108487 - 12/26/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Well, option B is to tackle climate change so that the range of the mosquitos stays limited.

Ain't no way Bolsonaro, or the rest of the world, for that matter, will ever do that.




:ohwow:

So, attempts to control mosquitoes, climate change needs to be addressed.

Ok.

In the meantime, lets continue releasing millions of mosquitoes until we can get around to fixing our climate.

They're GM mosquitoes, no problem. Eventually, they will evolve to work like they've been designed and there will be no more mosquitos.

Forget about global poverty, we need more GM mosquitoes.

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    #27108510 - 12/26/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Global poverty and climate change are very closely related. You can't fix one without the other. You can also add disease, slavery, and capitalism to that category.


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    #27108514 - 12/26/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-do-you-die-from-flu

Other people may die from the flu because their immune systems are already compromised by another illness. “Getting the flu can exacerbate conditions like diabetes, asthma, and chronic lung disease,” Dr. Salber explains. “If someone with diabetes has mild renal failure, gets the flu, doesn’t keep up with hydration—which makes renal function worse—and can’t fight off the flu infection as well because they already have a lowered immune response, they can start to spiral out of control.”




This. The diabetics in the example would have lived if not for the flu exaccerbating their disease. Ergo the flu killed them. Not their diabetes. Same for corona.




Yes, but the corona diabetes death, counts as a Covid death. How often is flu tested for? Week 50, there were less than 50,000 flu test. Could it be a possibility that people die of flu complications and are not tested for flu, therfore their death certificate may not list flu infection? Flu deaths are estimated using multipliers it seems.


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    #27108525 - 12/26/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Global poverty and climate change are very closely related. You can't fix one without the other. You can also add disease, slavery, and capitalism to that category.




Coronavirus 19 has driven a lot of people into poverty, and those were human choices to shudder businesses.

Has nothing to do with climate change when governors says people can't operate their business.


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    #27108545 - 12/26/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, and the coronavirus just happened magically, and not because of climate related changes in bat migration patterns, or climate related poverty leading to the proliferation of wet markets.

This is why climate change will not be solved, and why the human race is heading for an extinction event. The problem is simply too big to comprehend. It is literally all connected. It's all one big interlocking domino chain. People keep missing the forest for the trees.


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    #27108575 - 12/26/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Those wet markets have been around for a long time. There's no proliferation if they already existed.

Our climate is going to change regardless of human interventions. There are larger forces at play, like that star we call a sun.

IMO, sunspots have more to do with climate change than humans ever have been.


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    #27108586 - 12/26/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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This is why climate change will not be solved, and why the human race is heading for an extinction event. The problem is simply too big to comprehend.




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    #27108715 - 12/26/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Still waiting for an explanation of what has killed 350,000 extra people this year


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Those wet markets have been around for a long time. There's no proliferation if they already existed.

Our climate is going to change regardless of human interventions. There are larger forces at play, like that star we call a sun.

IMO, sunspots have more to do with climate change than humans ever have been.




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