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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Asante]
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I'm in like Flin
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: pslyke]
#27101655 - 12/21/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, Kinda scared though because a few years ago I had a really bad reaction to a T-DAP shot and had to sue the Vaccine Court. I hope it was just a reaction to that specific concoction or that specific tracking device that they inserted because I really want to get this vaccine and get everybody back to normal.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: vandago]
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Not getting the vaxx
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#27101940 - 12/22/20 02:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you tried to pay me $50 Id refuse hell no. Corona cannot be vaccinated against its just like maersk for chickens vaccinated just dont get as bad affects they still get it. They could have just said walk a mile a day and dont drink cokackkolla
Suddenly theres a vaccine for corona but we cant come up with a vaccine for the common cold which is a corona virus. The common cold has killed what billions and corona only 400k and they were people that were likely to die asap anyway most of them and i am sorry if you have lost someone and i am not trying to sound insensitive and sorry for your loss is what we are vaccinating against?
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corona's killed over 1.7 million, worldwide. in one year. that we know about. moreover, the "common cold" is not one virus, it's hundreds, if not thousands, of various viruses, bacteria, and probably fungi strains that cause similar symptoms. it's not a single strain of virus you can just target - this is the reason there's no cure for the common cold. you'd have to create a vaccine for all of these different microbes, and to call this impractical is well... yeah.
i'm not saying it's impossible to do so, but it would take a ridiculously coordinated effort worldwide, and on top of that, many of those strains are zoonotic, so you'd also have to somehow treat the animals they lurk in or they'd just jump back to humans after chilling in their animal hosts a while then mutating back... just like coronavirus did. the same issue arises with the flu, which mutates quickly and has several hundred different strains that we'd have to vaccinate against - again, not impossible to do, and technically more realistic than the "common cold", but still ridiculously hard, and it would still require a world-wide effort that would pretty much be a Manhattan type project. still, after this with the mRNA vaccine breakthroughs... it might actually be a thing soon. who knows.
and you're just thinking of the deaths of covid. death is not the only issue with covid. we've got a host of other, possibly life long issues , not the least including erectile dysfunction from many of those those who get covid, regardless of how healthy they were. just sayin.
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TigerStrike said: The common cold has killed what billions and corona only 400k
Can I just take a second to say that I think this is so fucking amazing??
That, even in this day and age, where the news of the entire world is pushed at us constantly, that someone could be so narrow and myopic so as to negate 1.2 million completely relevant deaths because they didn't happen in their own country? It's like, if things don't happen there, then they just don't exist at all!!
The simplistic beauty of this method is just something else. I feel like life would be so much happier if we could all just bury our heads in the sand like this. Don't you?
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I am once again unpleasantly surprised to see that 25% of people are frightened idiots.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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I feel like life would be so much happier if we could all just bury our heads in the sand like this. Don't you?
No, I think this guy represents so much of what's wrong with the world. Sticking your head in the sand just kicks the problem down the road further and makes it much bigger.
I'm sure TigerStrike will be happy to benefit from all those that roll up their sleeves and get the vaccine. And, to suggest that some amount of money ($50) might somehow be persuasive in getting people to vaccinate? Only impoverished sociopaths would be solely motivated by money to get vaccinated. For most, they actually care about themselves, their loved ones and fellow humankind. I mean if it came down to it, I'd pay to get the vaccine-- I don't need someone to pay me to be responsible.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Lophosaurus]
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Lophosaurus said: Yes, Kinda scared though because a few years ago I had a really bad reaction to a T-DAP shot and had to sue the Vaccine Court. I hope it was just a reaction to that specific concoction or that specific tracking device that they inserted because I really want to get this vaccine and get everybody back to normal.
Did you win?
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Asante]
#27102082 - 12/22/20 06:50 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am in no position to make a life changing choice on your behalf. I know nothing about you, your health, life style, or even the type of undies you wear. You may not wear undies at all..
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Cracked Egg]
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I always wear the undies.. 
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Lophosaurus]
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Lophosaurus said: Yes, Kinda scared though because a few years ago I had a really bad reaction to a T-DAP shot and had to sue the Vaccine Court. I hope it was just a reaction to that specific concoction or that specific tracking device that they inserted because I really want to get this vaccine and get everybody back to normal.
Man, you should be buying lotto tickets. It's a tiny chance to be injured by a vaccine.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Asante]
#27102134 - 12/22/20 07:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Doctor is ready to give you your FREE Covid Vaccination NOW. It is goine tomorrow. Choose.
Gone tomorrow, but will there be more in stock the following days?
I chose no simply because I'm not a spontaneous kinda person, and I prefer to have plans for such things....not because I refuse to take a vaccine.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Ima Trooper]
#27102142 - 12/22/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ima Trooper said: I am once again unpleasantly surprised to see that 25% of people are frightened idiots.
Some idiots cannot/should not get the vaccine.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: birdeatingspider]
#27102155 - 12/22/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not getting, nobody in family getting. Wife, (nurse) just got a paper explaining potential fetal risks and her organization is not forcing the vaccine.
After sometime goes by and I get to check in with you guinea pigs and The vaccine is prooven safe, then my family will make that descision, the 100 percenters are really really laughable, acting like this is the be all and end all. And the fact is the information at this point is subjective. The vaccine can make sense for certain individuals than others also that are at risk. Why does it have to be exactly yes or no right now. I think the answer for alot of people is wait and see. Fortunately we do have alot of Guinea pigs and hand raisers in our society to find out for the rest of us.
"Stuck it for the win"
Stfu
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Grungeman17]
#27102166 - 12/22/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Vaccine is good, but won't deal with the corona problem once and for all, now that it's mutating and all. But it is very important for people to get the first line of defence up and running well, and to get rid of the psychological fear of the disease in our societies.
maybe next spring and summer things can be quite normal. Even if 75% of people take the vaccine eventually it is a great thing so the healthcare isn't overloaded that easily. In the end if people get sick, they get sick and recover, or old and frail people die and that's nature. We can't be evading the virus much longer, it takes a toll on everyone's lives.
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#27102192 - 12/22/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The vaccine will still work against the new mutation.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: ch0ppie]
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ch0ppie said: I always wear the undies.. 
@Eggy Congratz 500th poast 
Haha. Nice. What do I get?
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: morrowasted]
#27102205 - 12/22/20 09:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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morrowasted said: The vaccine will still work against the new mutation.
oh that's great!
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Cracked Egg]
#27102209 - 12/22/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cracked Egg said:
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ch0ppie said: I always wear the undies.. 
@Eggy Congratz 500th poast 
Haha. Nice. What do I get?
You get this:
Open it on Christmas
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Grungeman17]
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Grungeman17 said: Not getting, nobody in family getting. Wife, (nurse) just got a paper explaining potential fetal risks and her organization is not forcing the vaccine.
After sometime goes by and I get to check in with you guinea pigs and The vaccine is prooven safe, then my family will make that descision, the 100 percenters are really really laughable, acting like this is the be all and end all. And the fact is the information at this point is subjective. The vaccine can make sense for certain individuals than others also that are at risk. Why does it have to be exactly yes or no right now. I think the answer for alot of people is wait and see. Fortunately we do have alot of Guinea pigs and hand raisers in our society to find out for the rest of us.
"Stuck it for the win"
Stfu
Your wife would not be cleared to take the vaccine anyway as it has not been authorized for use in pregnant women... If your wife was a nurse she she would know that and it should be a non-issue. Kinda wondering if this wasn't an appeal to authority type fallacy.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Ice9]
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I think it has been said, the vaccine will be efficacious against new strains as the part they picked to make the body recognize (the spike protein) has far less mutations than other parts of the virus.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Ice9]
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I'm getting it because I'm fucking sick of it. I worked in pharma for many years... It's a crazy industry.
Just for perspective there were 1.7 Million Covid deaths globally in 2020 VS 1.4 million deaths from tuberculosis in 2019. (Give or take, how they count covid death is questionable).
Just to be clear, the industry is a business, and Covid is lucrative because old white people are at risk. We HAVE a CHEAP cure for malaria, but you don't hear shit about that... Those millions have been dying every year for a while now. I don't like it, that's how business works unfortunately. So yeah, Covid is real, and probably not very dangerous for healthy people. It's a big deal because of the current demographics of power.
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tuberculosis
' -A total of 1.4 million people died from TB in 2019 (including 208 000 people with HIV). Worldwide, TB is one of the top 10 causes of death and the leading cause from a single infectious agent (above HIV/AIDS).
-In 2019, an estimated 10 million people fell ill with tuberculosis(TB) worldwide. 5.6 million men, 3.2 million women and 1.2 million children. TB is present in all countries and age groups. But TB is curable and preventable.
-In 2019, 1.2 million children fell ill with TB globally. Child and adolescent TB is often overlooked by health providers and can be difficult to diagnose and treat.
-In 2019, the 30 high TB burden countries accounted for 87% of new TB cases. Eight countries account for two thirds of the total, with India leading the count, followed by Indonesia, China, the Philippines, Pakistan, Nigeria, Bangladesh and South Africa.'
I'll get off my soap box.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: anatomality]
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Shes not pregnant, she was told if she plans to concieve in the next 2 years there is risk.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Grungeman17]
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pslyke said: I'm in like Flin
Like notorious lecher Errol Flynn, I am also in.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: anatomality]
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anatomality said: Just for perspective there were 1.7 Million Covid deaths globally in 2019 VS 1.4 million deaths from tuberculosis.
You mean 2020 right?
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My bad, yeah exactly.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: anatomality]
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I voted no for the same reason I don't go updating my software as soon as an update is available. Only the biggest sheep update their software as soon as an update is available instead of waiting it out. I would rather everyone else take the punch first and then I wait things out and see if it is safe. If not then I will wait for the next round of updates and do the same thing. The last time I updated my software without waiting, my battery life went to shit. Never again.
I don't know about you but I think there is like a million suspicious things about this virus, about this whole year, about the companies who are making the virus vaccines, the politics, fucking everything literally having to do with the year 2020 has just been extremely suspicious.
What's funny is that most people think this virus is a hoax. the media couldn't even do a good enough job trying to get the whole country to believe this virus is real. I mean what does that tell you about the media? Funny game. This whole year is just one big fucking joke.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: 1234go]
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1234go said:
I chose no simply because I'm not a spontaneous kinda person, and I prefer to have plans for such things....
You don't have a plan to GRAB a vaccin the moment it becomes available to you even if it means not showing up for your oscar nomination?
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Asante]
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I honestly wouldn't show up for an oscar nomination either...
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: 1234go]
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Boy i would
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Texas Honey Badger]
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I bet you would...you're an attention whore to the max....
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Ice9]
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Grungeman17 said: Not getting, nobody in family getting. Wife, (nurse) just got a paper explaining potential fetal risks and her organization is not forcing the vaccine.
After sometime goes by and I get to check in with you guinea pigs and The vaccine is prooven safe, then my family will make that descision, the 100 percenters are really really laughable, acting like this is the be all and end all. And the fact is the information at this point is subjective. The vaccine can make sense for certain individuals than others also that are at risk. Why does it have to be exactly yes or no right now. I think the answer for alot of people is wait and see. Fortunately we do have alot of Guinea pigs and hand raisers in our society to find out for the rest of us.
"Stuck it for the win"
Stfu
Your wife would not be cleared to take the vaccine anyway as it has not been authorized for use in pregnant women... If your wife was a nurse she she would know that and it should be a non-issue. Kinda wondering if this wasn't an appeal to authority type fallacy.
You might be surprised what some nurses don't know. Some of them get so burnt out on anything related to healthcare that they tune out of it at work. Some of them only went into it because they had this holdover conception of nursing from the 1950s where it was basically a profession of hand-holders and don't actually care about medicine or science. There is also the possibility that his wife knew fully well she couldn't get it and he just acting like she didn't to try and, like you said, use an appeal to authority to make his point.
I will say that the number of people coming out of the woodworks with an antivax nurse in their immediate family is highly suspect given that I don't know any antivax nurses. Then again I don't work in a shitty little clinic or in ShitForBrainsville, South Dakota so maybe they really are out there and, like I originally suggested, they're just dumb.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: morrowasted]
#27103133 - 12/22/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not yet. But I bought some stock.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Northerner]
#27103255 - 12/22/20 10:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lophosaurus said: Yes, Kinda scared though because a few years ago I had a really bad reaction to a T-DAP shot and had to sue the Vaccine Court. I hope it was just a reaction to that specific concoction or that specific tracking device that they inserted because I really want to get this vaccine and get everybody back to normal.
Man, you should be buying lotto tickets. It's a tiny chance to be injured by a vaccine.
Yes, I did win and that is not the kind of luck that I want. I had extreme pain for months. I would get shooting pain literally every 15 minutes for about 4 months until I could get my surgery. The pain was so intense that every time I fell asleep I would get that shooting pain within 15 minutes and be back awake all night. I was almost at the point of suicide by the end of it. Even after the surgery I am left with chronic pain that will never go away.
There are actually quite a few people who get injured by vaccines. If you take a percent of everyone that gets vaccinated/injured then yes it is a small percent, but still a danger. Even after that I'm no anti-vaxxer because I know they're important and when I get vaccinated I'm doing it to help my fellow humans as much or more than myself.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Lophosaurus]
#27103275 - 12/22/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Grungeman17 said: Not getting, nobody in family getting. Wife, (nurse) just got a paper explaining potential fetal risks and her organization is not forcing the vaccine.
After sometime goes by and I get to check in with you guinea pigs and The vaccine is prooven safe, then my family will make that descision, the 100 percenters are really really laughable, acting like this is the be all and end all. And the fact is the information at this point is subjective. The vaccine can make sense for certain individuals than others also that are at risk. Why does it have to be exactly yes or no right now. I think the answer for alot of people is wait and see. Fortunately we do have alot of Guinea pigs and hand raisers in our society to find out for the rest of us.
"Stuck it for the win"
Stfu
Your wife would not be cleared to take the vaccine anyway as it has not been authorized for use in pregnant women... If your wife was a nurse she she would know that and it should be a non-issue. Kinda wondering if this wasn't an appeal to authority type fallacy.
You might be surprised what some nurses don't know. Some of them get so burnt out on anything related to healthcare that they tune out of it at work. Some of them only went into it because they had this holdover conception of nursing from the 1950s where it was basically a profession of hand-holders and don't actually care about medicine or science. There is also the possibility that his wife knew fully well she couldn't get it and he just acting like she didn't to try and, like you said, use an appeal to authority to make his point.
I will say that the number of people coming out of the woodworks with an antivax nurse in their immediate family is highly suspect given that I don't know any antivax nurses. Then again I don't work in a shitty little clinic or in ShitForBrainsville, South Dakota so maybe they really are out there and, like I originally suggested, they're just dumb.
You might be surprised what some nurses don't know. So true morrow. I was pushed and pushed by my dad (Go be a nurse) Clean hands easy work high demand
This is back when they were claiming they needed nurses especially male ones. I eventually dropped out and went to business school and ended up with a degree in Business administration but I manage a fucking call center. Pay is great I have a company car and my head teams put me at the top of the completes surveys list. I just wish I was administrating business and no
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27103352 - 12/23/20 12:46 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Amanita86]
#27103365 - 12/23/20 12:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nursing is a slave industry now.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27103371 - 12/23/20 01:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Come now nurses are paid very well for their incertitude In dentitude Indentured Inventor What the fuck is going on. indenturtude
indenturtide?
Whatever, why do you say they are slaves because I have 2 moms who are nurses... They have easy hours easy work high pay. I gotta hear this?
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: TigerStrike]
#27103386 - 12/23/20 01:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nurses work 12 hour shifts.... That's fucking slave work if you ask me. yeah right I get it they all say they love working only 3 days a week and having 4 days off but if I worked 12-hour shifts 3 days a week I wouldn't want to do fucking shit on my 4 days off and I would probably be a tired cranky bitch so it wouldn't even be worth it. I hear the politics are just fucking ridiculous working at a hospital or super high-volume type of venue. It's like being an overworked programmer these days.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27103389 - 12/23/20 01:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think I could do 3 12’s with 4 days off...
Especially if I get to pick which days I work and then have that locked in..
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Amanita86]
#27103392 - 12/23/20 01:36 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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2nd that, shoulda been a nurse, damn
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Lynnch]
#27103399 - 12/23/20 01:46 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Get to pick As a male nurse you probably did from the beginnig sort of.... Theres hazing everywhere. Thats the first 3 years at year 14 you are making 54 dollars an hour and are just babysitting an idle ER with your thumb up your ass half the time and the other its blood piss guts and you are too busy to even feel anything.
I worked with my mom in the er when I was young it was a small town. The doctor taught me how to ride around in a wheelchair wheelie. He told me the story about he and his fratboys learned to wheeelchair wheelie around the pool table and I was like pics or it didn't happen and BOOM THE FUCKING ER DOC IS SUDDENLY DOING A AROUND THE NURSES STATION CIRCUMNAVIGATION
We dicked around endlessly. Kept joking about Still can do wheelchair wheelies like jimmy heroine plays guitar.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: TigerStrike]
#27103421 - 12/23/20 02:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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With 12 hour shifts you just don't have time to do anything at all it's literally wake up eat breakfast take your morning shit go to work come home have dinner go to sleep and do the same thing again. You most likely are not getting 8 hours of sleep. 10 hour shifts are pretty bad also and only mildly better than 12 hours.
If it wasn't for the whole psychosis thing and like wanting to murder someone if I get less than 7 hours of sleep then yeah I could totally do 12-hour shifts. I'm actually really jealous of people who can get off on just 4 to 6 hours of sleep a night. My body is really sensitive and I actually get sick if I don't get enough sleep. Like puking throwing up type of sick until I go to sleep.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Lophosaurus]
#27103600 - 12/23/20 06:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lophosaurus said: Yes, Kinda scared though because a few years ago I had a really bad reaction to a T-DAP shot and had to sue the Vaccine Court. I hope it was just a reaction to that specific concoction or that specific tracking device that they inserted because I really want to get this vaccine and get everybody back to normal.
Man, you should be buying lotto tickets. It's a tiny chance to be injured by a vaccine.
Yes, I did win and that is not the kind of luck that I want. I had extreme pain for months. I would get shooting pain literally every 15 minutes for about 4 months until I could get my surgery. The pain was so intense that every time I fell asleep I would get that shooting pain within 15 minutes and be back awake all night. I was almost at the point of suicide by the end of it. Even after the surgery I am left with chronic pain that will never go away.
There are actually quite a few people who get injured by vaccines. If you take a percent of everyone that gets vaccinated/injured then yes it is a small percent, but still a danger. Even after that I'm no anti-vaxxer because I know they're important and when I get vaccinated I'm doing it to help my fellow humans as much or more than myself.
That's a shocker man. You're tough af getting through that, chronic pain is a helluva thing to live through/with.
There's loads of people who get injured by vaccines, generally the incidence you can count on one hand per million... odds are persistent though. Billions of vaccines are administered so thousands of people are injured. Nothing like the suffering and death that the vaccines alleviate though. Even with what you been through catching the diseases you have been protected against would likely be significantly worse. I guess you know all this though.
I hope you got decent compensation man, that the systems set up to help worked for you.
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#27103617 - 12/23/20 06:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The vast majority of injuries with vaccines are preventable too, they’re usually caused by the person giving the injection hitting a nerve or the shoulder capsule, which is very easily avoidable as long as they’re not distracted. It can be hell when it happens though, but yea extremely rare. The drive to the doctor’s office is probably exponentially riskier than taking the vaccine itself.
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#27103635 - 12/23/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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You might be surprised what some nurses don't know. Some of them get so burnt out on anything related to healthcare that they tune out of it at work. Some of them only went into it because they had this holdover conception of nursing from the 1950s where it was basically a profession of hand-holders and don't actually care about medicine or science. There is also the possibility that his wife knew fully well she couldn't get it and he just acting like she didn't to try and, like you said, use an appeal to authority to make his point.
I will say that the number of people coming out of the woodworks with an antivax nurse in their immediate family is highly suspect given that I don't know any antivax nurses. Then again I don't work in a shitty little clinic or in ShitForBrainsville, South Dakota so maybe they really are out there and, like I originally suggested, they're just dumb.
Holy shit is this true. I remember on my first job as a nurse I asked our entire staff in the ICU what exactly was a "lactic acid" lab measuring and what exactly did it mean and not a single nurse that night could answer. I had to ask our intensivist. That's laughable as a semi-experienced nurse now.
I have met several antivax nurses. Nursing school is pretty easy in some places lol.
As for Feevers, of course an injury due to maladministration of a vaccine isn't really even a vaccine injury but a needle injury. Alas...
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Asante]
#27103714 - 12/23/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll get it when it's available to me, not sure when that will be.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: metalfaith]
#27104254 - 12/23/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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You might be surprised what some nurses don't know. Some of them get so burnt out on anything related to healthcare that they tune out of it at work. Some of them only went into it because they had this holdover conception of nursing from the 1950s where it was basically a profession of hand-holders and don't actually care about medicine or science. There is also the possibility that his wife knew fully well she couldn't get it and he just acting like she didn't to try and, like you said, use an appeal to authority to make his point.
I will say that the number of people coming out of the woodworks with an antivax nurse in their immediate family is highly suspect given that I don't know any antivax nurses. Then again I don't work in a shitty little clinic or in ShitForBrainsville, South Dakota so maybe they really are out there and, like I originally suggested, they're just dumb.
Holy shit is this true. I remember on my first job as a nurse I asked our entire staff in the ICU what exactly was a "lactic acid" lab measuring and what exactly did it mean and not a single nurse that night could answer. I had to ask our intensivist. That's laughable as a semi-experienced nurse now.
I have met several antivax nurses. Nursing school is pretty easy in some places lol.
As for Feevers, of course an injury due to maladministration of a vaccine isn't really even a vaccine injury but a needle injury. Alas...
This is why I have a hard time taking nursing seriously. Like, is "nursing" an actual college major? They're only required to take the most basic science classes like intro to chemistry, intro to bio, etc. The math requirement is probably the most basic college algebra class. My sister is a nurse. She was a C average student in high school. Hell if she can pass nursing school, anyone can. I'm not bashing nurses or anything but the schooling isn't that hard.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Asante]
#27104260 - 12/23/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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When it's my turn in line, I'll get my vaccine, and it's all because my mind was put at ease with this poast.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27104262 - 12/23/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's a 2-year associates degree at minimum in the US I think. But you can do a bachelor's degree or beyond. My mom has a master's degree in nursing.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Asante]
#27104280 - 12/23/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd be interested to see this poll taken monthly over the coming period.
To see whether or not it changes.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: pineninja]
#27104517 - 12/23/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Albeit I'm not in the high risk group (mid 30s, healthy). I'd take the vaccine as early as possible (probably mid 2021). My grandma, stepdad and my mom are in the high risk group and I don't want to risk passing it over to them. Antivaxxers and Conspiratards can lick my balls.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: BSUUF2]
#27104538 - 12/23/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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By these polls 34% of people won't get the vaccine which will make it a nightmare to stopping covid. Imagine if 40-50% of the population didn't get polio vaccines when kids were being put in iron lungs or paralyzed the rest of their lives. We'd still have yearly polio outbreaks
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#27104562 - 12/23/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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1 in 3 Shroomerites would not get vaccinated.
Shroomery Island would NOT get herd immunity.
Not unless a good number of our community died.

Lets say we have 10,000 people on Shroomery island and you need 80% for herd immunity and 3333 refuse to take their shots. That means that about 1200 people need to acquire immunity and if you go by a fatality rate of 2% that means we get to add 24 people to the Shroomery Island graveyard because some of us, I'm sorry, are a bit confused.
Think of the first Shroomerites you can think of. Is even one of them dying acceptable if it can be prevented by you taking a shot?
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They were mad about no STAL
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: The Mycologist]
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Like, is "nursing" an actual college major? They're only required to take the most basic science classes like intro to chemistry, intro to bio, etc.
Yes, it is, lol...
those are the prerequisite courses- the ones you take in order to get into nursing school: Anatomy & Physiology 1 & 2, Chemistry, Microbiology, Human Growth and Development, Statistics, as well as all the super basic stuff that everyone has to have to get an associates.
Then you do 4 semesters to get an Associate's Degree of Nursing. This consists of theory courses where you learn about disease processes and how nurses are involved in treating them and dealing with patients who have them, practice courses where you learn how to do basic skills like inserting catheters, nasogastric tubes, IV lines, etc., and clinical hours where you go to various kinds of hospital units (Med-Surg, Pediatrics, Labor & Delivery, and Mental Health). At that point you can take an exam called the NCLEX which, if you pass it, qualifies you to be a registered nurse.
Depending on where you live, this may be sufficient to practice the way you want. In rural areas, this level of education can get you good hospital jobs. In the city, they almost never can. To get a job at a city hospital in most places, you need a Bachelor's Degree. This requires an additional 31 credit hours that can be split among 2 or 3 semesters, consisting of courses related to management, informatics, advanced health assessment techniques and more. Once you've finished that, you're qualified to begin a Residency at any hospital nationwide. The length of the residency depends on the complexity of the unit (operating room residencies are much longer than Med-Surg residencies), and involves working with a preceptor every shift who monitors you. Then you are a fully independent practicing nurse.
You can then get a Master's Degree in numerous different things: 1) Nurse Practitioner - There are 5 kinds - Family, Gerontological, Pediatric, Neonatal Acute, and Mental Health. Nurse practitioners can practice certain kinds of medicine, like performing medical diagnoses, ordering labs, and ordering medications, in some states. They make well over 100k on average where I live. 2) Nursing Management and Administration 3) Nursing Education 4) Master of Science in Nursing
You can also multiple different kinds of doctoral degrees: Doctor of Nursing Practice, which gives you even more independence. DNPs can practice independently of MD supervision in some places. Or a Doctor of Philosophy (PhD). PhDs focus on either nursing research (yes, there is such a thing and it's fascinating) and nursing education.
Some schools are better than others, no doubt. There are shitty private schools who will take your money to guarantee you pass nursing school. There are really good schools as well. Some people are lazy and stupid and some people are smart and driven It's just like any other field.
It's a very versatile field and if you're a go-getter type person who doesn't let your employer steamroll you, it can be great. A lot of nurses have the type of disposition where they let people walk all over them, and they just don't fight back when employer demands are unrealistic. But it's definitely got its problems...
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: morrowasted]
#27104773 - 12/23/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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*In a hushed tone* Let me tell you about the CRNA.
Another tibit that might make someone bite the bullet.
Theres a special kind of nurse. They are called a CRNA
Certified registed nurse anesthesiologist. It is a Masters level only
And you get to administer sleepy drugs ALL DAY long and get paid 100$ and hour STARTING PAY
Opioid Abuse Among Nurse Anesthetists and Anesthesiologists is the wors out of ANY nurses. Over 40% of crnas abuse the drugs they administer as some point.
Another powerful kind of nurse is the bishop nurse she can move diagnolly..
lol the nurse is called a Nurse Practitioner only a masters lever and they can open up their own medicine pracitce in ost states they can prescribe medication.
A MASTERS DEGREE NURSE ACTING AS A DOCTOR.
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: TigerStrike]
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: TigerStrike]
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How do nurses become addicted to the same drugs they administer??
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OutsideOfMyMind said: How do nurses become addicted to the same drugs they administer??
Serious question?
It boils down to life is hard, access is there. Humans.
Do you look down on nurses? What do you study?
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Don't they keep strict inventory of drugs?
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It depends on the setting. A typical floor nurse will work with strict controls around giving narcotics. Where I am, and probably in most places, the meds are locked up in a machine that dispenses only exactly what you need, and another nurse has to sign off anytime you give a narcotic that you did in fact give it. If you have to waste some, someome has to sign off on that too.
In the nursing home environment the tech isnt as good and med nurses could probably get away with theft by swapping pills.
I dont know for sure but I imagine CRNAs have fairly liberal access to anesthetics and opioids. They can never know ahead of time exactly how much they will need to keep someone sedated, so the amount they have is typically more than they will actually need. I dont do OR stuff so I am not sure what the procedures surrounding those meds are after the surgery is done. I could easily see a CRNA telling a pharmacist they had to give 200mg of something when they really only had to give 100 and pocketing the difference.
The question of abuse gets pretty tricky in some cases. I know for example that some anesthesiologists use propofol to get really deep rest when they only have a short opportunity to sleep between rotations. Is that really "abuse" just bc it isnt prescribed and it is being used off label, if its use is overall benefiting both doctor and patient?
Of course, there are some that become junkies and end up accidentally killing patients. A spine surgeon here recently got charged with murder after it was discovered he was high on dilaudid and some other shit when 2 people died during his surgeries.
That kind of shit will land you in a world of trouble though.
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pineninja
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27105746 - 12/24/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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OutsideOfMyMind said: Don't they keep strict inventory of drugs?
My father became a volunteer ambo. He lives in a remote part where very well trained community members perform the roles of first responders.
My dad is known to let his hair down on occasion.
I still remember him telling me wide eyed and giddy "they just throw out all the out of date stuff"
For instance.
-------------------- Just a fool on the hill.
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TigerStrike
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: morrowasted] 1
#27106076 - 12/24/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Using your position as an anesthesiologist to steal medicine to get better rest. Is that really abuse. Whats wrong with just being a thief and a drug abuser if you do your work and not hurt anyone. I don't need to sugar coat something wrong I do to myself to trick myself that its the right thing. If stealing was the wrong thing would the judge that judged the man that stole bread pull out money from his own pocketbook to pay the theifs fine?
To you, stealing the meds and taking them for rest gives you better rest and makes you more efficient DO IT. Nothing should be illegal.
So yes it would be abuse but if your morals allow, no one is hurt and you dont get caught. Then thats fine. And likely the case more than the numbers suggest too.
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MorphinTime
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: TigerStrike]
#27106482 - 12/24/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont know a single drug dealer that refuses to serve nurses. 
Sigh. Yes, most drugs in hospitals or healthcare buildings that can get you fucked up are watched. Most nurses getting fucked up aren't stealing from where they work, they get high old-fashioned style like most do. There are exceptions, sure.
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OutsideOfMyMind
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Re: I want a head count. The only STAL is right here in the thread title. Its do or don't. [Re: MorphinTime]
#27106787 - 12/25/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh so they're gaming the system then.
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