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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
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Are you claiming something other than covid accounts for the 315k deaths attributed to covid/sars2?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Ezuma]
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SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 are both coronaviruses. Unless I missed something. Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome is the diagnosis, no? Coronavirus-19 causes Covid-19, no?
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Ezuma said: Are you claiming something other than covid accounts for the 315k deaths attributed to covid/sars2?
Diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, obesity.
In this video previously posted going into vitamin D, it is said covid is less of a lung disease and more of a cardiovascular disease.
Skip to 25:50.
Too much is said in this video to be describing it all.
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27098442 - 12/19/20 09:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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does he claim we are not in a pandemic? that's what you earlier claimed, which prompted me to take issue with you. From what I understand vitamin d levels are important, and seem to be relevant in covid outcomes although as far as I know there isn't sufficient evidence to say that vitamin d supplementation constitutes an effective treatment for covid. I was aware covid is cardiovascular, and only deadly to those with underlying conditions in most cases... but that doesn't mean that it didn't kill 300, 000 americans, you do know how unhealthy most americans are? Do their deaths not matter because they were not in peak physical condition?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Ezuma]
#27098491 - 12/19/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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In my opinion, which doesn't matter around here, a majority of those 'covid 19 deaths' probably had more to do with underlying health conditions combined with age more than a coronavirus, which are known to cause common colds, that >99% of people under age 50 survive.
People don't want to address how much stress effects our health and immune systems, combined with being forced to 'stay at home' where indoor air pollution is known to cause health issues. Job losses were in the millions and media was not helping with easing fear or stress, with daily images being broadcast of empty streets and overfilled hospitals (happens every flu season, BTW) with reports of a deadly virus on the loose. People with regular hospital appointments for health conditions were avoiding hospitals due to fear, along with many medical procedures put on hold with primary focus of one virus, hospitals were ignoring many other health condition, some of which have fatal consequences if not addressed in time.
Many countries saw a similar 'curve'. Where we saw a 'spike' or increase in cases and then a decline in summer, warmer months.
Similar to flu seasons, which in that video, has some links to vitamin D insufficiencies. Shown in a graph.
Language is being scrutinized, heavily.
People are questioning treatments as cures for those seriously ill. Claims of 'treatments' such as high dose vitamin C being touted as a 'cure' are being scrutinized because not everyone survives after pneumonia sets in. The word 'treatment' is used broadly. Am I treating myself by taking 10g ascorbic acid every day? I'm not ill but I take ascorbic acid to boost my immune system. If I were to catch a cold, I may not even know it, being so saturated with ascorbic acid on a daily basis. Does that make me an asymptomatic case, having never known of an illness? Should I be barked at to wear a mask for the rest of my life because of this unknown?
People get old and their immune systems begin to weaken. Along with, as stated, poor healthcare and poor diet, there is greater risk for infection, of many varieties, not just coronaviruses.
Influenza is pandemic annually, so are many common colds, some of which are caused by coronaviruses.
So, considering how many viruses we have been passing around throughout human history, have we ever NOT been in some sort of pandemic? Especially with so much air travel.
Antibodies were discovered in blood samples from November 2019, meaning infection in October. Who's to say it wasn't going around 2018-2019 flu season?
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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#27098641 - 12/20/20 01:16 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not quite sure what your point is in all that? It's like you've thrown a heap of information into a blender, hit the high speed button, and are now trying to decipher it.
I tried to answer your 'ascorbic acid use = asymptomatic, maybe?' idea but gave up.
So I cherry-picked the 2018-2019 flu season in the U.S. and asked Google.
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In total, the CDC estimates that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season, 647,000 people were hospitalized and 61,200 died. That’s fairly on par with a typical season
I then put this information up against the current U.S. covid-19 numbers
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18 million cases and 323,000 deaths
My medical knowledge fuck all, tells me this is a bad thing.
What's your thoughts?
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In the US, flu deaths are actually any Influenza like illness (ILI) so that includes the different cold viruses as well. Not covid.
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My thoughts?
Not all influenza death gets an influenza death code.
CDC estimates flu deaths.
Someone dies of heartattack but doesn't get a test for Influenza but may have been sick with influenza, will never be an influenza death. Flu is so common, why test for an illness to confirm what's already assumed?
Someone dies of heartattack and a Covid test is practically mandatory. If they were infected with Coronavirus 19, they are counted as a Covid19 death. Or, complications brought of by covid 19.
Compare flu test to covid test to get a picture of why there are so few cases of flu.
In an entire week there's less than 50k flu test across US.

US has preformed over 230,000,000 Covid test since the start of this pandemic.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27098830 - 12/20/20 06:36 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mycolorado said: Guess they’re not taking their zinc. 

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Sulfurshelfsean said: Zinc mines dun dried up, ma... Guess we'll have to wander eastway lest we catch the really bad covid and pass....wagons east!

Sorry i was extremely stoned and it sounded funny in my head. Like that south park episode where the internet goes out. Fun fact about zinc: you only need like seven mg of it in a day and it's really easy to overdose on. Its a heavy metal and the stomach pain and purging from ODing on it can have you bed ridden for days. This ia from experience.
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Sorry i was extremely stoned and it sounded funny in my head. Like that south park episode where the internet goes out. Fun fact about zinc: you only need like seven mg of it in a day and it's really easy to overdose on. Its a heavy metal and the stomach pain and purging from ODing on it can have you bed ridden for days. This ia from experience.
You overdosed on zinc? May I ask, how?
Zinc is an active ingredient in many sunscreens, and that's supposed to be reapplied every hour or two, no?
I suppose absorbtion rates matter.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 1
#27098867 - 12/20/20 07:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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HamHead said: My thoughts?
Not all influenza death gets an influenza death code.
CDC estimates flu deaths.
Someone dies of heartattack but doesn't get a test for Influenza but may have been sick with influenza, will never be an influenza death. Flu is so common, why test for an illness to confirm what's already assumed?
Someone dies of heartattack and a Covid test is practically mandatory. If they were infected with Coronavirus 19, they are counted as a Covid19 death. Or, complications brought of by covid 19.
Compare flu test to covid test to get a picture of why there are so few cases of flu.
In an entire week there's less than 50k flu test across US.

US has preformed over 230,000,000 Covid test since the start of this pandemic.
There have been about the same number of tests run this year and last year. Last year about 8% of the tests were positive. This year it’s around 0.1%. There’s nothing weird going on nobody is hiding data. The flu is not spreading because measures to prevent the spread of covid work even better for the flu. It makes perfect sense, and the 98% decline bears that common sense out.
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Faucet Fauci going on about having to wear mask and vaccines and having to get the virus down way low. Depends on how many get vaccinated.

"We don't know if the vaccine prevents infection."
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#27099718 - 12/20/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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HamHead said: My thoughts?
Not all influenza death gets an influenza death code.
CDC estimates flu deaths.
Someone dies of heartattack but doesn't get a test for Influenza but may have been sick with influenza, will never be an influenza death. Flu is so common, why test for an illness to confirm what's already assumed?
Someone dies of heartattack and a Covid test is practically mandatory. If they were infected with Coronavirus 19, they are counted as a Covid19 death. Or, complications brought of by covid 19.
Compare flu test to covid test to get a picture of why there are so few cases of flu.
In an entire week there's less than 50k flu test across US.

US has preformed over 230,000,000 Covid test since the start of this pandemic.
When people are telling you about the people dying around them why don't you listen? Leaving people dye locally why don't you listen? The fact is some people say it's under-reported and some people say it's over reported but more and more people are arranging funerals. I believe at least 300k have died from covid in America and that would be Under reporting but let's say that's an accurate figure at the beginning of this shrimp man Trump said if the deaths got over 200k total he'd have done a bad job then moved the goal posts continuously
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 2
#27099731 - 12/20/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The vaccine prevents you from getting sick, but we don't know yet if it prevents you from picking up and transmitting the virus to others. What part of that do you not understand?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27099755 - 12/20/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Faucet Fauci going on about having to wear mask and vaccines and having to get the virus down way low. Depends on how many get vaccinated.

"We don't know if the vaccine prevents infection."

Maybe one day it won't hurt your head so much. Make a go fund me for an education I'll pitch in
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Lynnch said: The vaccine prevents you from getting sick, but we don't know yet if it prevents you from picking up and transmitting the virus to others. What part of that do you not understand?
I understand.
15 days to slow the spread.
Flatten the curve.
Lockdowns until vaccine.
Masks even after mass vaccinations.
Continued lockdowns because of vaccine unknowns.
So much for Australia. Sydney will be a hot spot Monday.
Economic disaster.
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When people are telling you about the people dying around them why don't you listen? Leaving people dye locally why don't you listen? The fact is some people say it's under-reported and some people say it's over reported but more and more people are arranging funerals. I believe at least 300k have died from covid in America and that would be Under reporting but let's say that's an accurate figure at the beginning of this shrimp man Trump said if the deaths got over 200k total he'd have done a bad job then moved the goal posts continuously
That's just it though. I was going into this thing fearful that I would be hearing of all sorts of people dying around me, my parents included. It hasn't happened. I have heard very few stories of death of Covid these past 9 months. Other than on this internet website, I am aware of one person who lost a family member. And who knows that individuals personal history, I am considerate not to ask, because it's not my business.
~2.8 million people die in the US alone each year.
Heart disease and cancer are major killers. With all focus on Covid, many people are not getting needed medical treatments. Many people who would have been screened for cancer were not. Lots of medical procedures were cancelled and postponed.
Again, I was expecting to see every city filling up trucks and digging mass graves with everyone walking around in hazmat suits. There were images of such things, but not much was heard about mass graves, like I was expecting when I was watching the news.
Overdose deaths far outpace COVID-19 deaths in San Francisco
US records most overdose deaths in one year — and pandemic’s partly to blame, CDC says
These death, remember that opioid epidemic, have gone unnoticed.
Less police = more crime. That includes black market drugs.
Criminals don't give a fuck about lockdowns.
I suppose all those people who want to open and operate their small business are criminals too.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 2
#27099951 - 12/20/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lynnch said: The vaccine prevents you from getting sick, but we don't know yet if it prevents you from picking up and transmitting the virus to others. What part of that do you not understand?
I understand.
15 days to slow the spread.
Flatten the curve.
Lockdowns until vaccine.
Masks even after mass vaccinations.
Continued lockdowns because of vaccine unknowns.
So much for Australia. Sydney will be a hot spot Monday.
Economic disaster.
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When people are telling you about the people dying around them why don't you listen? Leaving people dye locally why don't you listen? The fact is some people say it's under-reported and some people say it's over reported but more and more people are arranging funerals. I believe at least 300k have died from covid in America and that would be Under reporting but let's say that's an accurate figure at the beginning of this shrimp man Trump said if the deaths got over 200k total he'd have done a bad job then moved the goal posts continuously
That's just it though. I was going into this thing fearful that I would be hearing of all sorts of people dying around me, my parents included. It hasn't happened. I have heard very few stories of death of Covid these past 9 months. Other than on this internet website, I am aware of one person who lost a family member. And who knows that individuals personal history, I am considerate not to ask, because it's not my business.
~2.8 million people die in the US alone each year.
Heart disease and cancer are major killers. With all focus on Covid, many people are not getting needed medical treatments. Many people who would have been screened for cancer were not. Lots of medical procedures were cancelled and postponed.
Again, I was expecting to see every city filling up trucks and digging mass graves with everyone walking around in hazmat suits. There were images of such things, but not much was heard about mass graves, like I was expecting when I was watching the news.
Overdose deaths far outpace COVID-19 deaths in San Francisco
US records most overdose deaths in one year — and pandemic’s partly to blame, CDC says
These death, remember that opioid epidemic, have gone unnoticed.
Less police = more crime. That includes black market drugs.
Criminals don't give a fuck about lockdowns.
I suppose all those people who want to open and operate their small business are criminals too.
Just because it hasn't hit hard in your friend circle or even your community doesn't make that a rea.ity for the nation. If I really knew no one at all was dying in your area and should be on the news because this year I've had more funerals to pay respect to then in a bad 5 years . I'm not asking your opinion on lockdowns I'm asking you don't listen to the people that actually do have people that have died in their lives.
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Again, I am considerate not to ask if your loved ones had any history of heart disease? Diabetes? Cancer? Alcoholism? Poor diet? Age? Weight? Employment? Living environment? Location?
See, you don't have to answer any of those. Not one. By choice.
But then again, I could be asking anyone I meet with a Covid death story all these questions and dissecting each aspect of someone's personal health and lifestyle choices and criticize them.
But I don't. It's not my business.
I am aware and share within my personal life many things I have shared here. I don't get too many arguments or disagreements because I lay things out logically, and people seem to understand where I'm coming from, and listen. Especially when it comes to Coronavirus, perhaps it's due to climbing mountains of information for months.
People die. It's part of life. There is no escape.
My mom has told me many, many times. "One day I'm not going to be here for you.".
What's really fucked and tragic in my opinion is separating people from their loved ones when nearing death.
Dying well is something being ignored. Being peaceful in our last moments ensures loved ones around us don't experience emotional trauma.
It's so sad, my aunt with dementia has to be isolated by herself in a nursing home because of Covid restrictions. Not sure if she can have visitors, I doubt it with what's going on in her state.
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HamHead said: Again, I am considerate not to ask if your loved ones had any history of heart disease? Diabetes? Cancer? Alcoholism? Poor diet? Age? Weight? Employment? Living environment? Location?
See, you don't have to answer any of those. Not one. By choice.
But then again, I could be asking anyone I meet with a Covid death story all these questions and dissecting each aspect of someone's personal health and lifestyle choices and criticize them.
But I don't. It's not my business.
I am aware and share within my personal life many things I have shared here. I don't get too many arguments or disagreements because I lay things out logically, and people seem to understand where I'm coming from, and listen. Especially when it comes to Coronavirus, perhaps it's due to climbing mountains of information for months.
People die. It's part of life. There is no escape.
My mom has told me many, many times. "One day I'm not going to be here for you.".
What's really fucked and tragic in my opinion is separating people from their loved ones when nearing death.
Dying well is something being ignored. Being peaceful in our last moments ensures loved ones around us don't experience emotional trauma.
It's so sad, my aunt with dementia has to be isolated by herself in a nursing home because of Covid restrictions. Not sure if she can have visitors, I doubt it with what's going on in her state.
I think its well understood that covid fatalities are almost always people with obesity, suppressed immune systems or other underlying issues, I have never heard any official or expert claiming otherwise. It is mainly dangerous to people in bad health, but so what? You know how many americans are obese? Have heart conditions? How many could survive if they had had medical coverage throughout their life, or if basic safety measures were followed?
I don't support covid shut downs and mask-wearing and social distancing because of fear for my personal safety, I'm sure I would survive covid. You take those steps for OTHER people.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Ezuma]
#27100061 - 12/20/20 10:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Early treatment should be encouraged. Sending people home for 2-3 days while they wait for test results with no treatments is risking those people developing serious symptoms and becoming hospitalised.
How many would have survived had Dr. Fauci been on TV every night encouraging vitamin D? Or zinc? Or early treatment? Or cortisostereoids, being used now with great success and was mentioned to him by Rand Paul?
Conspiracy? Think Fauci was aware of these things, being an expert for a long time with many years in disease research?
His excuses were usually, there's no double blind, random placebo clinical trials.
Although people were coming forward with evidence of treatments that were helping people, he would blow them off and encourage mask use and wait for vaccine.
Well, now we have a vaccine and nothing will change. We were sold on this pandemic ending when a vaccine comes out. Now, the goal post have been moved once again, the vaccine isn't enough, we need enough people to be vaccinated to have herd immunity.
Natural herd immunity is ignored.
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#27100077 - 12/20/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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 You thought that as soon as a vaccine arrived, the pandemic would be over overnight? 
Herd immunity? What part of ICUs at full capacity do you not understand? 
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